Has Vision Zero and other DOT related projects slowed down bus service since 2014?

[Lawrence St]

 Taking the time to do some research on whether or not Vision Zero and these new DOT projects have contributed to bus delays, the results were very much in favor of my theory. The times below were compared with schedules from prior to 2005 with the current ones now, and are the full route comparisons (no short turns).

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M101 LTD:

2005 Southbound: 6:07 AM --> 7:23 AM. 

2023 Southbound: 6:07 AM --> 7:47 AM. 

Change in operating time: +24 min.

 

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BxM2 Express:

2005 Southbound: 6:00 AM --> 6:55 AM. 

2023 Southbound: 6:00 AM --> 7:07 AM. 

Change in operating time: +13 min.

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M4 LTD:

2010 Southbound: 8:00 AM --> 9:26 AM. 

2023 Southbound: 8:00 AM --> 9:34 AM. 

Change in operating time: +8 min.

 

There are a bunch others I will post throughout the week, but it seems like the North-->South, Limited and Express buses got hit the most with an increase in travel times. Especially because in places where these buses used to previously travel prior to 2014, the speed limit was higher then it is now.

Discuss away!

[Via Garibaldi 8]

9 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

 Taking the time to do some research on whether or not Vision Zero and these new DOT projects have contributed to bus delays, the results were very much in favor of my theory. The times below were compared with schedules from prior to 2005 with the current ones now, and are the full route comparisons (no short turns).

 

There are a bunch others I will post throughout the week, but it seems like the North-->South, Limited and Express buses got hit the most with an increase in travel times. Especially because in places where these buses used to previously travel prior to 2014, the speed limit was higher then it is now.

Discuss away!

The answer is yes. I could've told you that.  A number of schedules have been elongated because speeds were decreased and some drivers absolutely made a stink about it, saying they were running too far behind schedule.

[Lawrence St]

8 hours ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said:

The answer is yes. I could've told you that.  A number of schedules have been elongated because speeds were decreased and some drivers absolutely made a stink about it, saying they were running too far behind schedule.

So if Vision Zero isn’t working (traffic accidents among other things are up), why isn’t the new mayor cancelling the program and taking a different approach?

See, the city keeps saying we need congestion pricing…yet they’re the ones who keep making it congested with all these street redesigns! I really do wonder where they expect all this traffic to go if it’s implemented, it will clog up all of the other local and express buses in the area.

[Via Garibaldi 8]

4 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

So if Vision Zero isn’t working (traffic accidents among other things are up), why isn’t the new mayor cancelling the program and taking a different approach?

See, the city keeps saying we need congestion pricing…yet they’re the ones who keep making it congested with all these street redesigns! I really do wonder where they expect all this traffic to go if it’s implemented, it will clog up all of the other local and express buses in the area.

Because this approach has been used elsewhere and from a logical standpoint, if you reduce speeds, in theory, you should see fewer pedestrian injuries and fatalities.  Of course that's assuming that drivers are following traffic laws (a number of people are not or are obscuring their plates to drive in bus lanes, drive at high speeds and not be ticketed by the speed cameras and also not pay tolls).  The higher speeds allowed have shown that if someone is hit, they often times die while if they are hit at lower speeds, their chances for surviving increase. New York City has always been a pedestrian city, and the majority of New Yorkers do not drive. They walk, take public transit, etc., so from that point of view, I get it.  

We've also seen more and more recklessness from drivers - the street racing/drag racing has not helped and the proliferation of fake paper plates from people that shouldn't be driving in the first place - they likely don't have a license to even drive, but are on the road just the same - those people are really the ones causing most of the problems and giving all drivers a bad reputation.  They City has cracked down on a lot of this, but they have a long way to go.  This has allowed some organizations to seize on the opportunity to call for more pedestrian plazas and bike lanes and they are being placated because the goal is to lower pedestrian fatalities to near zero. It's pretty much impossible, but at the same time when people are killed and those numbers go up, government is always forced to find solutions.  Same thing here, so that means doubling down on constricting streets to force drivers into one lane to mitigate speeding and reckless behavior, etc. That's the thinking. You can't speed if there's only one lane to use to begin with and you also can't speed if the lights are synched in a way that doesn't allow you to gain lots of speed going from one block to the next, assuming you are following the traffic laws and going the speed limit (some cars are not). All of this has hurt bus speeds, as the fabricated congestion means buses move slower. The City is moving at a snail's pace to add more bus lanes. Why? It's expensive.  The City is sending alarms out that it will be facing serious financial issues come 2025.  A lot of the federal funds it received during the pandemic will start to dry up and when it does, it may not be pretty.  Things will have to be cut and drastically unless something changes and fast.  

Edited February 6, 2023 by Via Garibaldi 8

[IAlam]

16 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

So if Vision Zero isn’t working (traffic accidents among other things are up), why isn’t the new mayor cancelling the program and taking a different approach?

See, the city keeps saying we need congestion pricing…yet they’re the ones who keep making it congested with all these street redesigns! I really do wonder where they expect all this traffic to go if it’s implemented, it will clog up all of the other local and express buses in the area.

Certain aspects of vision zero are working ie. barricade, bollards, islands are helping reduce the severity of accidents. A car that drives up a bollard or barrier is a car that didn't drive into a bike or a pedestrian. That being said going to what VG8 said the amount of cars that actually follow road rules is minimal at best, speeding, wreck less driving, distracted driving are all up. There's a lot more people not following the rules and paying attention now than ever before. If the NYPD actually enforced road rules instead of breaking it themselves then there could a big difference. 

Edited February 7, 2023 by IAlam

[N6 Limited]

12 hours ago, IAlam said:

Certain aspects of vision zero are working ie. barricade, bollards, islands are helping reduce the severity of accidents. A car that drives up a bollard or barrier is a car that didn't drive into a bike or a pedestrian. That being said going to what VG8 said the amount of cars that actually follow road rules is minimal at best, speeding, wreck less driving, distracted driving are all up. There's a lot more people not following the rules and paying attention now than ever before. If the NYPD actually enforced road rules instead of breaking it themselves then there could a big difference. 

For any experienced motorist, it’s not really a surprise. Artificially reducing the speed limit and other “traffic calming” measures make driving frustrating, perhaps boring at times. For those that don’t drive, it’s like being forced to walk slow because “Walking fast is dangerous, you may trip!”

People walk at their own pace, when there are slow/distracted people walking in front of you, you simply walk around them. With driving, it’s not so simple if you can get a speed camera ticket, the lanes are reduced, speed bumps, etc.  Driving in NYC completely sucks, but that’s what they’re aiming for, however it’s also adding to frustration and agressive driving, it’s really their(NYC DOT and whoever else’s) fault that this is happening. 

Most drivers on the New Jersey Turnpike go 70-75MPH, it keeps you engaged and alert, if they reduced the speed limit back down to 55, you will have motorists bored and texting all the way down to Delaware.

[MHV9218]

Let's take a pause here. DOT changing the speed limit from 30mph to 25mph (have you ever seen Midtown traffic moving at 30mph, or an NYC bus even hit 30mph in Manhattan?) and adding bus lanes and bike lanes is not what slowed down our streets.

What slowed down our streets is the massive, unchecked, and unprecedented explosion of for-hire vehicles (Uber, Lyft) that have been allowed to completely throttle all major thoroughfares with no serious curtailment in years. In 2011, there were 40,000 licensed FHVs. By 2018, there were 103,000. It's only gone up. Most estimates have roughly 1/3 of all Manhattan traffic as FHVs. This has been a complete failure of city and state government who rolled over completely when Uber came to town and we've all been paying the price since.

The slowdown is a result of the additional cars and congestion, not the programs to improve turning visibility, separate bus and bike lanes, etc. If anything, traffic signal priority and other DOT initiatives have helped buses, not hurt them. But these are small battles won in a losing war. Nothing will change until the FHVs are limited, and unfortunately, people have gotten used to the (incredibly irresponsible environmentally) idea of simply Ubering everywhere.

Also, one point that people never note is that Ubers and Lyfts show up outside a building and double park for however long it takes for a passenger to arrive. This is miles worse than what taxis would do, which was pull over usually near a street corner or break in parked cars, and quickly unload for 5-10 seconds. Now it's normal for an Uber to sit for 1-3 minutes blocking a full lane of traffic. Leaving aside the sheer quantity of cars, meaningful regulation of Ubers and Lyfts would start with that practice.

[Kingsbridgeviewer382]

36 minutes ago, MHV9218 said:

Let's take a pause here. DOT changing the speed limit from 30mph to 25mph (have you ever seen Midtown traffic moving at 30mph, or an NYC bus even hit 30mph in Manhattan?) and adding bus lanes and bike lanes is not what slowed down our streets.

What slowed down our streets is the massive, unchecked, and unprecedented explosion of for-hire vehicles (Uber, Lyft) that have been allowed to completely throttle all major thoroughfares with no serious curtailment in years. In 2011, there were 40,000 licensed FHVs. By 2018, there were 103,000. It's only gone up. Most estimates have roughly 1/3 of all Manhattan traffic as FHVs. This has been a complete failure of city and state government who rolled over completely when Uber came to town and we've all been paying the price since.

The slowdown is a result of the additional cars and congestion, not the programs to improve turning visibility, separate bus and bike lanes, etc. If anything, traffic signal priority and other DOT initiatives have helped buses, not hurt them. But these are small battles won in a losing war. Nothing will change until the FHVs are limited, and unfortunately, people have gotten used to the (incredibly irresponsible environmentally) idea of simply Ubering everywhere.

Also, one point that people never note is that Ubers and Lyfts show up outside a building and double park for however long it takes for a passenger to arrive. This is miles worse than what taxis would do, which was pull over usually near a street corner or break in parked cars, and quickly unload for 5-10 seconds. Now it's normal for an Uber to sit for 1-3 minutes blocking a full lane of traffic. Leaving aside the sheer quantity of cars, meaningful regulation of Ubers and Lyfts would start with that practice.

For that last part, I’ve also noticed some cars (whether it be ubers or regulars) stand in front of the bus stop or by the corner of said stop which makes a bus stop in the middle of the road and halt traffic (which in turn leads to some drivers making a left turn onto the wrong side just to move around the bus. That has the danger of causing accidents).

[N6 Limited]

1 hour ago, MHV9218 said:

Let's take a pause here. DOT changing the speed limit from 30mph to 25mph (have you ever seen Midtown traffic moving at 30mph, or an NYC bus even hit 30mph in Manhattan?) and adding bus lanes and bike lanes is not what slowed down our streets.

What slowed down our streets is the massive, unchecked, and unprecedented explosion of for-hire vehicles (Uber, Lyft) that have been allowed to completely throttle all major thoroughfares with no serious curtailment in years. In 2011, there were 40,000 licensed FHVs. By 2018, there were 103,000. It's only gone up. Most estimates have roughly 1/3 of all Manhattan traffic as FHVs. This has been a complete failure of city and state government who rolled over completely when Uber came to town and we've all been paying the price since.

The slowdown is a result of the additional cars and congestion, not the programs to improve turning visibility, separate bus and bike lanes, etc. If anything, traffic signal priority and other DOT initiatives have helped buses, not hurt them. But these are small battles won in a losing war. Nothing will change until the FHVs are limited, and unfortunately, people have gotten used to the (incredibly irresponsible environmentally) idea of simply Ubering everywhere.

Also, one point that people never note is that Ubers and Lyfts show up outside a building and double park for however long it takes for a passenger to arrive. This is miles worse than what taxis would do, which was pull over usually near a street corner or break in parked cars, and quickly unload for 5-10 seconds. Now it's normal for an Uber to sit for 1-3 minutes blocking a full lane of traffic. Leaving aside the sheer quantity of cars, meaningful regulation of Ubers and Lyfts would start with that practice.

That’s part of the issue, you focused on Manhattan, understandably so, but NYCDOT is doing this city wide. 

Yes, I agree about the for-hire vehicles. The volume, blocking streets/lanes/bus stops, lethargic driving, etc, all add to congestion (on the highways as well, they’re always throttling the highways). However, the city doesn’t necessarily want to limit these vehicles, they’d prefer to milk them with congestion pricing. Get more money out of them first and foremost, and if that leads to a reduction in traffic then so-be-it, if not, then “apparently we didn’t implement a high enough congestion charge, we will have public meetings on the increase of the congestion charge, for um.. the environment?”.

[Lawrence St]

2 hours ago, MHV9218 said:

Let's take a pause here. DOT changing the speed limit from 30mph to 25mph (have you ever seen Midtown traffic moving at 30mph, or an NYC bus even hit 30mph in Manhattan?) and adding bus lanes and bike lanes is not what slowed down our streets.

What slowed down our streets is the massive, unchecked, and unprecedented explosion of for-hire vehicles (Uber, Lyft) that have been allowed to completely throttle all major thoroughfares with no serious curtailment in years. In 2011, there were 40,000 licensed FHVs. By 2018, there were 103,000. It's only gone up. Most estimates have roughly 1/3 of all Manhattan traffic as FHVs. This has been a complete failure of city and state government who rolled over completely when Uber came to town and we've all been paying the price since.

The slowdown is a result of the additional cars and congestion, not the programs to improve turning visibility, separate bus and bike lanes, etc. If anything, traffic signal priority and other DOT initiatives have helped buses, not hurt them. But these are small battles won in a losing war. Nothing will change until the FHVs are limited, and unfortunately, people have gotten used to the (incredibly irresponsible environmentally) idea of simply Ubering everywhere.

Also, one point that people never note is that Ubers and Lyfts show up outside a building and double park for however long it takes for a passenger to arrive. This is miles worse than what taxis would do, which was pull over usually near a street corner or break in parked cars, and quickly unload for 5-10 seconds. Now it's normal for an Uber to sit for 1-3 minutes blocking a full lane of traffic. Leaving aside the sheer quantity of cars, meaningful regulation of Ubers and Lyfts would start with that practice.

Prior to 2014 when the speed limit wasn't set at 25 MPH city-wide, absolutely I saw traffic moving faster.

When they redid the city speed limits they left a lot of lights timed on the faster speed limits, which now throws traffic completely out of balance and creates new chokepoints that weren't originally there.

Uber, Lyft, Bike Lanes, and road diets increased this problem substantially. What used to take 25 minutes to go from the BQE to Canal St via the Manahttan Bridge now takes an hour and 15 minutes at least because of two lane losses on the BQE and another one to fit that dumb bike lane on the Brooklyn Bridge (that they could have EASILY expanded the pedestrian walkway over one of the lanes and put the bike lane there.)

The slowdown is PARTIALLY caused by the increased cars on the road, but 85% of the slowdown comes from the 4 reasons I listed above, including speed & red light cameras.

DOT initiatives have done little good to anything transit wise. Bus lanes on Lexington Avenue or 5th Ave barely do anything because they're all being used by illegal mopeds, cyclists and scooters. From the 15 times I've been on the BxM3 during rush hours starting this year, we've never been able to stay in the bus lane for more then 1 minute. Add in ridiculous speed limits and drivers on probation slamming on the brakes every time a light turns yellow because they don't want to get a red light ticket, we're back to square one. @BrooklynBus am I right or wrong?

[Lawrence St]

17 hours ago, IAlam said:

Certain aspects of vision zero are working ie. barricade, bollards, islands are helping reduce the severity of accidents. A car that drives up a bollard or barrier is a car that didn't drive into a bike or a pedestrian. That being said going to what VG8 said the amount of cars that actually follow road rules is minimal at best, speeding, wreck less driving, distracted driving are all up. There's a lot more people not following the rules and paying attention now than ever before. If the NYPD actually enforced road rules instead of breaking it themselves then there could a big difference. 

I am not condoning this in anyway, but that's human behavior. Drivers are fed up that they're getting milked out their hard earned money for the stupidest nonsense like going 10 MPH over in a zone where the speed limit should be 40 and not 25, of course rule breaking is going to be up, and that's driver culture.

And yet, most reckless driving does not lead to an accident. Why? Because people and street activists contemplate speeding 5 MPH over with speeding 60+ MPH over as an example. So the definition of "reckless driving" being tossed around isn't correct at all. Reckless driving is speeding 30+ over, running red lights, stop signs, failure to yield, etc etc. And yet for the longest that I've driven in this city, it's not even cars that are doing it anymore. Who do you think does it? Hint: it's the ones calling for these redesigns in the first place.

[IAlam]

7 hours ago, N6 Limited said:

For any experienced motorist, it’s not really a surprise. Artificially reducing the speed limit and other “traffic calming” measures make driving frustrating, perhaps boring at times. For those that don’t drive, it’s like being forced to walk slow because “Walking fast is dangerous, you may trip!”

People walk at their own pace, when there are slow/distracted people walking in front of you, you simply walk around them. With driving, it’s not so simple if you can get a speed camera ticket, the lanes are reduced, speed bumps, etc.  Driving in NYC completely sucks, but that’s what they’re aiming for, however it’s also adding to frustration and agressive driving, it’s really their(NYC DOT and whoever else’s) fault that this is happening. 

Most drivers on the New Jersey Turnpike go 70-75MPH, it keeps you engaged and alert, if they reduced the speed limit back down to 55, you will have motorists bored and texting all the way down to Delaware.

I don't think upping the speed limit will really fix that either, there are very few major roads where you can go safely above 30 without some obstacle. But driving in a city isn't supposed to be fun, there's too many cars, even if we can magically speed everything up and restore every car it won't fix the congestion, the city was just as congested before.  

4 hours ago, MHV9218 said:

Let's take a pause here. DOT changing the speed limit from 30mph to 25mph (have you ever seen Midtown traffic moving at 30mph, or an NYC bus even hit 30mph in Manhattan?) and adding bus lanes and bike lanes is not what slowed down our streets.

What slowed down our streets is the massive, unchecked, and unprecedented explosion of for-hire vehicles (Uber, Lyft) that have been allowed to completely throttle all major thoroughfares with no serious curtailment in years. In 2011, there were 40,000 licensed FHVs. By 2018, there were 103,000. It's only gone up. Most estimates have roughly 1/3 of all Manhattan traffic as FHVs. This has been a complete failure of city and state government who rolled over completely when Uber came to town and we've all been paying the price since.

The slowdown is a result of the additional cars and congestion, not the programs to improve turning visibility, separate bus and bike lanes, etc. If anything, traffic signal priority and other DOT initiatives have helped buses, not hurt them. But these are small battles won in a losing war. Nothing will change until the FHVs are limited, and unfortunately, people have gotten used to the (incredibly irresponsible environmentally) idea of simply Ubering everywhere.

Also, one point that people never note is that Ubers and Lyfts show up outside a building and double park for however long it takes for a passenger to arrive. This is miles worse than what taxis would do, which was pull over usually near a street corner or break in parked cars, and quickly unload for 5-10 seconds. Now it's normal for an Uber to sit for 1-3 minutes blocking a full lane of traffic. Leaving aside the sheer quantity of cars, meaningful regulation of Ubers and Lyfts would start with that practice.

Don't forget delivery services like uber eats and door dash which love to double park in front of restaurants and building. Unlike for hire vehicles I believe this market is not capped. 

1 hour ago, Lawrence St said:

I am not condoning this in anyway, but that's human behavior. Drivers are fed up that they're getting milked out their hard earned money for the stupidest nonsense like going 10 MPH over in a zone where the speed limit should be 40 and not 25, of course rule breaking is going to be up, and that's driver culture.

And yet, most reckless driving does not lead to an accident. Why? Because people and street activists contemplate speeding 5 MPH over with speeding 60+ MPH over as an example. So the definition of "reckless driving" being tossed around isn't correct at all. Reckless driving is speeding 30+ over, running red lights, stop signs, failure to yield, etc etc. (This is what I'm referring to) And yet for the longest that I've driven in this city, it's not even cars that are doing it anymore. Who do you think does it? Hint: it's the ones calling for these redesigns in the first place.

I mean it's not like we're supposed to get a license that is supposed to show we know how to follow the rules. 

This is just a really bad take reckless driving not leading to an accident rely on other people paying attention getting out of their way and trying to not get hurt or killed themselves.  

Most of the reckless driving I see comes from out of state plates especially NJ. I saw lady from NJ drive the wrong way down a major road and nearly hit another car who had to swerve out of the way, just so she could get a parking spot. She then proceeded to block the entire road as she did a very poor U turn just to pull into the spot. It doesn't matter how hard it is to drive or find parking, anyone who drives like that should get their license suspended at the very least. Craziest part my cousin who was driving was able to just quickly take her spot by making a normal UTurn when the light turned red. Luckily there were 2 spots instead of 1 but it just shows you how crazy people are. People who can't keep their cool really shouldn't be behind the wheel. 

Edited February 7, 2023 by IAlam

[checkmatechamp13]

9 hours ago, N6 Limited said:

Most drivers on the New Jersey Turnpike go 70-75MPH, it keeps you engaged and alert, if they reduced the speed limit back down to 55, you will have motorists bored and texting all the way down to Delaware.

Pretty sure it's officially 55 mph throughout Northern NJ (Garden State Parkway is 65 mph). But you're right, in practice most go 70-75.

[SoSpectacular]

All I'm going to say is, it used to be a LOT easier to get around 10 years ago compared to now. Too many extra light signals, blantant double parking, being limited to one lane of roadway screws with bus traffic heavy. Even if you have bus lanes, not all of them have cameras or any enforcement at all. Some roads/lanes are too narrow that we have to take up two of them just to give us the space cushion we need. Remember how we had to maintain 4-feet spacing between the bus and parked cars on our right? That's pretty much out the window these days.

[N6 Limited]

1 hour ago, checkmatechamp13 said:

Oh I’m hardly on the turnpike north of exit 13.

 

3 hours ago, IAlam said:

I don't think upping the speed limit will really fix that either, there are very few major roads where you can go safely above 30 without some obstacle. But driving in a city isn't supposed to be fun, there's too many cars, even if we can magically speed everything up and restore every car it won't fix the congestion, the city was just as congested before.  

Depends, an obstacle usually requires a lane change which takes maybe 5 seconds to go around IF other motorist let you, when no one is next to you it’s quick and easy (in my opinion).  There are many roads where above 30 would be safe, especially in Queens , Staten Island, and South East Brooklyn. 
 

Driving doesn’t have to be “fun”, but let me get to my destination without constant Just-in-time red signals. 

3 hours ago, IAlam said:

Most of the reckless driving I see comes from out of state plates especially NJ. I saw lady from NJ drive the wrong way down a major road and nearly hit another car who had to swerve out of the way, just so she could get a parking spot. She then proceeded to block the entire road as she did a very poor U turn just to pull into the spot. It doesn't matter how hard it is to drive or find parking, anyone who drives like that should get their license suspended at the very least. Craziest part my cousin who was driving was able to just quickly take her spot by making a normal UTurn when the light turned red. Luckily there were 2 spots instead of 1 but it just shows you how crazy people are. People who can't keep their cool really shouldn't be behind the wheel. 

That’s a bit different. Because many times “reckless” ( and “speeding” ) is thrown around as mentioned.  

[IAlam]

21 hours ago, N6 Limited said:

Depends, an obstacle usually requires a lane change which takes maybe 5 seconds to go around IF other motorist let you, when no one is next to you it’s quick and easy (in my opinion).  There are many roads where above 30 would be safe, especially in Queens , Staten Island, and South East Brooklyn. 
 

Driving doesn’t have to be “fun”, but let me get to my destination without constant Just-in-time red signals. 

That’s a bit different. Because many times “reckless” ( and “speeding” ) is thrown around as mentioned.  

Very few that come to mind for me and those road are usually on the furthest edges in the city and IIRC some still have 30 MPH signs. 

As for out of sync light that's problem I do agree needs fixing. 

I don't directly consider speeding as reckless as I referred to in that quote. 

[7-express]

It may even get worse due to a new proposal this year that could give the city the ability to change speed limits to 20 MPH or less in certain areas.  https://gothamist.com/news/nyc-could-drop-speed-limits-below-25-mph-under-hochul-proposal

[Lawrence St]

14 minutes ago, 7-express said:

It may even get worse due to a new proposal this year that could give the city the ability to change speed limits to 20 MPH or less in certain areas.  https://gothamist.com/news/nyc-could-drop-speed-limits-below-25-mph-under-hochul-proposal

I’m convinced their entire mission is to make NYC entirely car free.

20 MPH speed limits, absolutely ridiculous.

[7-express]

1 hour ago, Lawrence St said:

I’m convinced their entire mission is to make NYC entirely car free.

20 MPH speed limits, absolutely ridiculous.

Yeah I'm really looking forward to 2 hour trip run times for the QM2/20 to get back to Bay Terrace in the future...

Edited February 10, 2023 by 7-express

[Lawrence St]

18 minutes ago, 7-express said:

Yeah I'm really looking forward to 2 hour trip run times for the QM2/20 to get back to Bay Terrace in the future...

At this point taking the subway seems more realistic…

[Kingsbridgeviewer382]

13 hours ago, 7-express said:

It may even get worse due to a new proposal this year that could give the city the ability to change speed limits to 20 MPH or less in certain areas.  https://gothamist.com/news/nyc-could-drop-speed-limits-below-25-mph-under-hochul-proposal

Oh, this is going to make local bus travel worse especially for any bus (if any) that run in school zones with the proposed 15 mph limit. This proposal seems to be something both the governor and mayor seem to be on board with if the article is any indication.

Edited February 11, 2023 by Kingsbridgeviewer382

[N6 Limited]

On 2/10/2023 at 8:21 AM, 7-express said:

It may even get worse due to a new proposal this year that could give the city the ability to change speed limits to 20 MPH or less in certain areas.  https://gothamist.com/news/nyc-could-drop-speed-limits-below-25-mph-under-hochul-proposal

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