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    #1 East New York

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    Posted 13 December 2010 - 09:31 PM

    NYCTF Exclusive!

    The MTA has awarded a base contract for 33 R188's for the Flushing (7) line. The order includes 23 standard R188's, and 10 converted R142A's. The contract total is more than $87 Million.

    Kawasaki will convert the cab (A cars) within it's Yonkers facility. The B cars will be converted jointly with the MTA, at the 207th Street Overhaul Shop.

    R142(46 eleven car set inserts) - The R142A is a 10 car train set. Therefore the 11th car will be added to each set to make a converted R188 or R142C. The first conversion set is to be completed by this time next year.

    R188(10 eleven car sets) - Delivery is slated for the 4th quarter of 2012. These 23 cars, will make up 2 new 11 car trains. The 23rd car will be inserted with a converted R142A.

    MTA also holds options for an additional 473 cars. (123 new cars, and 350 R142A converted cars.) The option contract is already set to be awarded, as previously mentioned in another thread.

    Today, the MTA Board approved an expedited change order procedure. I'm not sure what the technical details were. The order will go to Kawasaki for all 506 cars. Delivery of these cars, including options that will be exercised will, run through 2015:cool:
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    Posted 13 December 2010 - 09:54 PM

    Yea but now its time for the big question :D

    What is the fate of the R62As on the (7)? When will that be confirmed?
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    Posted 13 December 2010 - 09:54 PM

    yes! Cant wait for it to happen. I was expecting the R142's & R188's to combine as is being R142A 5 cars - R188 middle car - R142A 5 cars to make an 11 car set.

    Now a message to everyone: get your RFW shots of the (7)<7> before theres no more RFW!

    so next year at this time. Its going to fly by so quickly...
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    Posted 13 December 2010 - 09:58 PM

    Yea but now its time for the big question :D

    What is the fate of the R62As on the (7)? When will that be confirmed?


    I think a few R62A's are going to stay on the (7)<7>. most of them will go to the (6)<6> (hopefully b/c the LEDs on those cars would be a big help). I thought that R62A (1) train using cars from the (7)<7> was staying there. I guess no R62A's from the (7) are going to the (1).

    Dont know when it will be confirmed. well just have to wait and see what the (MTA) says.

    :tup:R142A's to the (7)<7> :tdown:no more RFW.
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    Posted 13 December 2010 - 10:03 PM

    NYCTF Exclusive!

    The MTA has already awarded a base contract for 33 R188's for the Flushing (7) line. The order includes 23 standard R188's, and 10 converted R142A's. The contract total is more than $87 Million.

    Kawasaki will convert the cab (A cars) within it's Yonkers facility. The B cars will be converted jointly with the MTA, at the 207th Street Overhaul Shop.

    R142(46 eleven car set inserts) - The R142A is a 10 car train set. Therefore the 11th car will be added to each set to make a converted R188 or R142C.

    R188(10 eleven car sets) - Delivery is slated for the 4th quarter of 2011. These 23 cars, will make up 2 new 11 car trains. The 23rd car will be inserted with a converted R142A.

    MTA also holds options for an additional 473 cars. (123 new cars, and 350 R142A converted cars.) The option contract is already set to be awarded, as previously mentioned in another thread.

    Today, the MTA Board approved an expedited change order procedure. I'm not sure what the technical details were. The order will go to Kawasaki for all 506 cars. Delivery of the first train set, which will be converted, is scheduled for completion by this time next year. The first brand new R188 set is expected to arrive about a year later in 2012. Delivery of these cars, including options that will be exercised will, run through 2015:cool:


    I won't pretend to be a subway buff because I'm not, so here's what I don't get...

    Why do they even need to convert R142s to begin with? I know why (because of 10 car vs 11 car issue), but what I'm getting at is aren't they going to be taking R142s from the 4 5 6 lines? I mean converting those cars wouldn't create any sort of shortage on the busiest line in the subway system?
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    #6 East New York

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    Posted 13 December 2010 - 10:05 PM

    Yea but now its time for the big question :D

    What is the fate of the R62As on the (7)? When will that be confirmed?


    They will slowly be displaced as the entire R188/R142C order will go to the (7) line. I dont have a clue as to what line the 62's will go to. I'm still learning which lines use what trains!
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    Posted 13 December 2010 - 10:15 PM

    I think a few R62A's are going to stay on the (7)<7>. most of them will go to the (6)<6> (hopefully b/c the LEDs on those cars would be a big help). I thought that R62A (1) train using cars from the (7)<7> was staying there. I guess no R62A's from the (7) are going to the (1).

    Dont know when it will be confirmed. well just have to wait and see what the (MTA) says.

    :tup:R142A's to the (7)<7> :tdown:no more RFW.


    Why would they put R62s on the 6 line when my understanding was that they were planning on putting a high tech signal system in place along the 4 5 6 line so that they could add more trains thus reducing crowding?
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    Posted 13 December 2010 - 10:21 PM

    Why would they put R62s on the 6 line when my understanding was that they were planning on putting a high tech signal system in place along the 4 5 6 line so that they could add more trains thus reducing crowding?


    The 4/5/6 already has ATS. Actually ATS is a problem within it self because when it screws up the whole Lex becomes a log jam. If they put R62As back on the (6) ATS will still work.

    Reduced crowing on the Lex 4/5/6 is something you will never see as long as the Second Av Subway is never built.
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    Posted 13 December 2010 - 10:26 PM

    [quote name='553 Bridgeton']The 4/5/6 already has ATS. Actually ATS is a problem within it self because when it screws up the whole Lex becomes a log jam. If they put R62As back on the (6) ATS will still work.


    Is ATS part of the reason that the local 6 train is often quicker than the 4 and 5 express? I mean sometimes they say there's train traffic and I'm thinking that isn't possible because I've been waiting a good bit for a train (considering it's the 4 5 6 line) so how could there be train traffic ahead?

    Reduced crowing on the Lex 4/5/6 is something you will never see as long as the Second Av Subway is never built.[/QUOTE]

    I won't debate that at all... This is what I heard from the MTA and why they implemented ATS with the goal of reducing crowding since you could squeeze more trains in on those lines and have less spacing between the trains.
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    Posted 13 December 2010 - 10:38 PM

    If the R62As go on the (6), i can't imagine how the Lex riders will feel that there is no NTT on the Pelham Train.

    I think a few R62A's are going to stay on the (7)<7>. most of them will go to the (6)<6> (hopefully b/c the LEDs on those cars would be a big help). I thought that R62A (1) train using cars from the (7)<7> was staying there. I guess no R62A's from the (7) are going to the (1).

    Dont know when it will be confirmed. well just have to wait and see what the (MTA) says.

    :tup:R142A's to the (7)<7> :tdown:no more RFW.


    RFW has nothing to do with providing service to the passengers. So where if it goes, it goes..

    And you don't know where the R62As are going, its still too early.

    It could go on the (6) but I'm wondering if the (6) riders wouldn't mind.
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