N still gets priority over the Q

[Roadcruiser1]

It was to ensure that the Montague Street Tunnel won't become too overcrowded. Especially when the (Mx), and the used the tunnel. Even today it is to ensure that tunnel isn't too overcrowded, and the was sent back on the Bridge and made express in the day because A) Originally it was always like that until they shut the south side of the Bridge for repairs, and It connects the Asian Communites and if they didn't do it the people would complain just like when they made the Broadway Local.

[Guest lance25]

The was sent via the Bridge in 2004 because it swapped with the which was terminating at Whitehall St. Remember, after the Manhattan Bridge project was finally finished, there was no need for the via West End service, so the became the Broadway Local and the - Broadway Express.

 

Also, with only one line running through the Montague tunnels, it's hardly overcrowded. Even with the (Mx) running to Bay Pkwy during the rush hours, it wasn't at max capacity.

[KNIGHTRIDER3:16]

Okay...you said so. So what? The topic is about priority, not sign changing.

 

I said Type Type you Dumbass now keep it moving .

You should know better to answer me back kid

[Sea Beach]

Meh, I still believe that if they were willing to put the on the local track they should put it through the tunnel. Granted it crosses in front of whatever in Brooklyn but still. It just makes more sense to me. Otherwise it should have stayed on the express track.

 

O no way, Sea Beach/4 Ave riders would go Ape, its bad enough theres people complaining over the going 4 Ave Local every weekend in December, yes its a G.O.

[Urbanfortitude]

It was to ensure that the Montague Street Tunnel won't become too overcrowded. Especially when the (Mx), and the used the tunnel. Even today it is to ensure that tunnel isn't too overcrowded, and the was sent back on the Bridge and made express in the day because A) Originally it was always like that until they shut the south side of the Bridge for repairs, and It connects the Asian Communites and if they didn't do it the people would complain just like when they made the Broadway Local.

 

Either way someone is gonna complain. The way the runs in Manhattan I sincerely doubt the going through the tunnel would make much of a difference. I just think if its gonna continue to go over the bridge, stick it back on the express.

[Urbanfortitude]

O no way, Sea Beach/4 Ave riders would go Ape, its bad enough theres people complaining over the going 4 Ave Local every weekend in December, yes its a G.O.

 

I don't see how the couldn't just switch to the express track after Dekalb. Not asking it to go local down 4th. Just thinking either run it through the tunnel if they have it local in manhattan or put it back on the express.

[Sea Beach]

I don't see how the couldn't just switch to the express track after Dekalb. Not asking it to go local down 4th. Just thinking either run it through the tunnel if they have it local in manhattan or put it back on the express.

 

So your saying 4th Ave Exp, via Whitehall, Bway Lcl? That can happen Manhattan bound, theres a switch outside Pacific, but Coney Island bound it would have to go 4 Ave Lcl cause theres no switch from via Whitehall, to 4 Ave Exp...

[Guest lance25]

Actually there is...

Just north of Pacific St, there is a crossover southbound from local to express and northbound from express to local.

[Sea Beach]

Actually there is...

Just north of Pacific St, there is a crossover southbound from local to express and northbound from express to local.

 

Ohh okay then, i've never seen them use it, but this shows that there is one, thanks.

[Roadcruiser1]

Though I highly doubt the is ever going to go back to the Montague Street Tunnel again maybe late nights, but not until the Manhattan Bridge is shuts down again and I highly doubt that it would be shut down again considering the repairs.

[Shortline Bus]

These are all the reasons why the shouldnt have gotten eliminated and stayed at 57 St, it evened out all the headways on Broadway and eased crowding, they shouldve at least kept the as a Rush Hour line...

 

Well said Bro and agree 110% on your above statement. The could have stayed IMO as a Rush Hour only train and have the run as Bway express all day weekdays until around 9pm. Weekday evenings and all times weekends it runs as Bway Local.

[error46146]

its just the way things are,just as how the orange M gets priority over the E at Queens Plaza like the V did.

[Sea Beach]

Well said Bro and agree 110% on your above statement. The could have stayed IMO as a Rush Hour only train and have the run as Bway express all day weekdays until around 9pm. Weekday evenings and all times weekends it runs as Bway Local.

 

Thanks and yea I agree with you as well, but thats the for you, M-aking T-ransportation A-(W)ful

[TwoTimer]

After all this, it all goes back to whether the could be local by itself in Manhattan.

[Fresh Pond]

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Ummmm, okay...back on the original topic now....

 

It depends on the schedule...most of the time when one leves before the other, its because the one being held is early and the one leaving is on schedule. Dekalb Av & Atlantic-Pacific are timepoints for the & respectively. If they get there at the same time, whoever is clostest to their schedule will leave first.

 

And can we please stop with the . Its dead already

[Mysterious2train]

One day during PM Rush Hour I was riding a to Brooklyn... the train slowed down around Prince St. I saw an train with its doors open. I was thinking "NONONONO don't stop!' And we stopped. We waited a few moments for the to close its doors and leave, and yeah...

[Gotham Bus Co]

Now that the N is local on broadway I noticed it still gets priority over the Q. Just like after Dekalb the Q's got to wait until the N's pass. :tdown:

 

That's one problem with the Line Manager program. Each signal tower is controlled by a Line Manager; within each tower's coverage area, the Line Manager's line always gets absolute priority over all other lines at all times and at all costs.

[CenSin]

Let's just say this:

• The is technically the express in Brooklyn until it hits Manhattan, and the other way around it's local until it leaves Manhattan. The being held just north of DeKalb Avenue then makes sense from a layman's point of view; since the took the shortcut, it should keep those time savings rather than skip a station and stop in the middle of a tunnel.
  
• The will also never be allowed to become a full-time local. The communities living alongside Sea Beach will simply not allow it. They don't give a damn about 4 Avenue, lower Manhattan, or the Midtown stops. If anything will happen, it will become an express from Brooklyn to Queens or remain local in Manhattan (if the doesn't return).
  
• A 4 Avenue express via Whitehall Street also doesn't make any sense. It saves 3 to 5 minutes by skipping 6 stations along 4 Avenue and then wastes about 10 minutes by going through the tunnel. Meanwhile, it interferes with service (whether it's also a local or not); this is why when the runs via Whitehall Street it also runs as a local along 4 Avenue.

 

[Sea Beach]

That's one problem with the Line Manager program. Each signal tower is controlled by a Line Manager; within each tower's coverage area, the Line Manager's line always gets absolute priority over all other lines at all times and at all costs.

 

Thats Murphy for ya :tdown:

 

[*]The will also never be allowed to become a full-time local. The communities living alongside Sea Beach will simply not allow it. They don't give a damn about 4 Avenue, lower Manhattan, or the Midtown stops. If anything will happen, it will become an express from Brooklyn to Queens or remain local in Manhattan (if the doesn't return).

 

[*]A 4 Avenue express via Whitehall Street also doesn't make any sense. It saves 3 to 5 minutes by skipping 6 stations along 4 Avenue and then wastes about 10 minutes by going through the tunnel. Meanwhile, it interferes with service (whether it's also a local or not); this is why when the runs via Whitehall Street it also runs as a local along 4 Avenue.

 

 

Exactly what I was saying about Sea Beach riders! We wouldnt like that, thats like making the go via Whitehall....

 

I really do hope the comes back some day, til then, Broadway will never be the same.

[BroadwayBuffer]

I really do hope the comes back some day, til then, Broadway will never be the same.

 

Something will have to go to 96 St - 2 Av without cutting service to Astoria.

[Brighton Local]

Thats Murphy for ya :tdown:

 

 

 

Exactly what I was saying about Sea Beach riders! We wouldnt like that, thats like making the go via Whitehall....

 

Never :mad::mad:

 

I really do hope the comes back some day, til then, Broadway will never be the same.

 

Me too!

[Sea Beach]

Something will have to go to 96 St - 2 Av without cutting service to Astoria.

 

Exactly

 

Me too!

 

LOL Exactly my point, just leave the and for via Whitehall :cool:

[West End]

What bugs me the most about this is when the gets priority middays throughout the Broadway Line. At Canal, it's normally the followed by the , and the two are often across the platform from each other at Union Square. The then jets to 34th but then sits there until the catches up and passes it. Bah! :mad:

[Harry]

What bugs me the most about this is when the gets priority middays throughout the Broadway Line. At Canal, it's normally the followed by the , and the two are often across the platform from each other at Union Square. The then jets to 34th but then sits there until the catches up and passes it. Bah! :mad:

 

Yes! Usually the is often a little ahead of the at Union Square. So when I miss my and try and grab the to pass it and get the at Canal, the I'm on still gets held. That's the only thing that bothers me.

[CenSin]

The , in turn, does this to the frequently as well, but few complain about it because it's invisible. You won't know you're being screwed by "priorities" unless you see trains moving on a live diagram.