Q43LTD Posted June 18, 2011 Share #201 Posted June 18, 2011 Since Mr Setzer won't make any changes in 2012, I'll save my questions for 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted June 18, 2011 Share #202 Posted June 18, 2011 hmm yeah I will stay out of this war Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted June 18, 2011 Share #203 Posted June 18, 2011 hmm yeah I will stay out of this war Then do the smart thing and dont POST STUFF LIKE THIS. It is considered as spam. Once again, no common sense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted June 19, 2011 Share #204 Posted June 19, 2011 Missed this response, I'm just going to point out that your signature is "MITT ROMNEY 2012." Just pointing that out. Now one of the things you say is that "I am sick of my hard earned money supporting this and that because people are just too lazy to take of themselves." Let's analyze why this is an ignorant comment: 1) Blaming the poor for being poor is one of the dumbest things you can do. In this country if you're born with more opportunity than someone else, you do better than that person. It's pretty simple and it's a sad reality. If you're poor, chances are you're born into it because of a lack of opportunity. Public services provide opportunity: education, protection, recreation, utilities, etc. Nobody's choosing to be homeless. You don't hear of people getting sick of working and just getting "lazy." But if you'd like to take the elitist standpoint that everybody less well off than you is poor because they're less dedicated than you, then be my guest. 2) "Your" money is incorrect. There is no "your" in this country. Do you use public transport to get to work? Did you go to public school? Were you born in a hospital? If you've any public service, ever, then you're benefiting off of somebody else's money. That's the way it works in a civilized society. And without that public service, you'd be in a more financially-pressing situation and believe me, there'd be less of "your" money. So get used to the reality and get used to taxes, cause that's the way our world works. And yes, I'm a Democratic Socialist, good guess. And yes, I do heartily support higher tax rates on the rich. I like pushing Republicans' buttons, because they hate everything I stand for. You know what I think we should do? I'll be perfectly frank here: we need to spread the wealth. I missed your post as well, so let me reply. 1) I don't care what the person is. If they're not contributing to society and are benefiting from taxpayers then yeah I have a problem with that. It just so happens that those people tend to be poor. Maybe you forgot but I certainly remember how Giuliani revamped the welfare program in this city and got abled people that were simply too lazy to work doing something to finally earn those welfare paychecks and be productive. That is my main gripe. If others have to support those who are less fortunate then if they are abled folks who aren't disabled, elderly and so forth, they should be working, plain and simple. 2) Uh yeah, "my money". The last I checked this is NOT a socialist country but a capitalist one. No I don't support ANYONE giving their money away to the less fortunate. My policy is that EVERYONE should contribute to society. The rich and middle class should not be paying all of the taxes while the poor pay next to nothing in taxes. What's going on now is the middle class is getting hit by the rich and by the poor and soon if it continues there will be no middle class. We'll just have the rich and the poor because the middle class will continue to be robbed and expected to give more by way of higher taxes to subsidize the poor. If you're poor that's your problem not everyone elses. In this country there are fewer barriers holding folks back than in most countries. Me for example, I didn't look for handouts from my parents. I put myself through college through monies that I saved and worked for, student loans and scholarships, so while I grew up middle class, I wouldn't consider myself being spoiled beyond recognition. My parents taught me the importance of being self dependent and working for what I wanted and not looking to others for hand outs. This country would be a lot more productive if more folks lived by that rule. And yes, I'm an Independent who is fiscally conservative and against high taxes on anyone. Everyone should pay their fare share of taxes, including the poor and no one should be overtaxed to subsidize those who are less fortunate. As far as Mitt Romney goes, yes I stand behind him. He did an excellent job as Governor in Massachusetts, getting the state fiscally sound, creating jobs and did NOT raise taxes. Unlike you I don't vote along party lines as if Democrats walk on water. I look at what the candidate stands for. Now getting back to the issue at hand, I think Mangano will do fine with bus service on Long Island. So far he seems to be moving in the right direction. :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Up Front Posted June 19, 2011 Share #205 Posted June 19, 2011 And how are those poor to be taxed? I'd love to see your beloved Romney try something. OH wait, he won't, because he'll be too busy being a dumb ass politician and accepting and giving nothing but kickbacks to whomever he well pleases, much like Signore Mangano is doing. I really do wonder where this logic is coming from. You seem to think the poor should "contribute" to society when they can barely make ends meet, and that they should fund "their" system? Why don't you start subsidizing your express bus system before the gets to thinking that half the routes are financial black holes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted June 19, 2011 Share #206 Posted June 19, 2011 And how are those poor to be taxed? I'd love to see your beloved Romney try something. OH wait, he won't, because he'll be too busy being a dumb ass politician and accepting and giving nothing but kickbacks to whomever he well pleases, much like Signore Mangano is doing. I really do wonder where this logic is coming from. You seem to think the poor should "contribute" to society when they can barely make ends meet, and that they should fund "their" system? Why don't you start subsidizing your express bus system before the gets to thinking that half the routes are financial black holes? Oh, you don't think the Democrats do the same thing? If you don't you're only kidding yourself. Oh and regarding the poor, it's okay, let's give them a free pass and continue to burden the middle class especially as if the middle class is swimming in money. That's your solution right? Raise taxes on those on Long Island who already have ridiculously high property taxes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Up Front Posted June 19, 2011 Share #207 Posted June 19, 2011 I only put "Democrat" on that registration sheet because apparently the United States is stuck in "your politicians actually care about you" mode and will think that I'm not American if I don't vote. It's not like all of the poor on these buses are "cheating" the system. Some of them just don't make as much money as others, but you just seem to want to make things harder for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted June 19, 2011 Share #208 Posted June 19, 2011 I only put "Democrat" on that registration sheet because apparently the United States is stuck in "your politicians actually care about you" mode and will think that I'm not American if I don't vote. It's not like all of the poor on these buses are "cheating" the system. Some of them just don't make as much money as others, but you just seem to want to make things harder for them. No, actually I don't. It seems as if you want to make things harder for the middle class though aka socialism. Having the run LI Bus would've meant higher property taxes, which Long Islanders simply can't afford, but you seem to be just fine with sticking hard working middle class folks with more taxes just to see it run by the . All I'm advocating for is the poor paying its fair share just like everybody else does. Nothing more and nothing less. Nothing elitist about that either. A better word for it is capitalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted June 19, 2011 Share #209 Posted June 19, 2011 No, actually I don't. It seems as if you want to make things harder for the middle class though aka socialism. Having the run LI Bus would've meant higher property taxes, which Long Islanders simply can't afford, but you seem to be just fine with sticking hard working middle class folks with more taxes just to see it run by the . All I'm advocating for is the poor paying its fair share just like everybody else does. Nothing more and nothing less. Nothing elitist about that either. A better word for it is capitalism. He's not necessarily asking for it to be run by the MTA: He's asking for Nassau County to cover more of the costs of the private operator running the service. You can't run the whole system with $4 million in subsidies. And you could argue that capitalists are contributing to the poor staying poor. Look at places like Walmart: Sam Walton has billions of dollars whereas the average employee makes just above minimum wage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted June 19, 2011 Share #210 Posted June 19, 2011 I got off that republicans= (for the) rich & democrats= (for the) poor mindset a long time ago.... It's nothin more than a farce....That is what urban youths are being taught, when it's pressed upon them to go vote when they are of age.... No, actually I don't. It seems as if you want to make things harder for the middle class though aka socialism. Having the run LI Bus would've meant higher property taxes, which Long Islanders simply can't afford, but you seem to be just fine with sticking hard working middle class folks with more taxes just to see it run by the . All I'm advocating for is the poor paying its fair share just like everybody else does. Nothing more and nothing less. Nothing elitist about that either. A better word for it is capitalism. Personally, I think the more you make, the more you should be taxed.... As is, when it comes to taxation, yeah, the poor is gettin off light (you don't know how much it pisses me off to see/hear those that have no other legal income, continue to bank off the system while on welfare, while still livin "hood rich"... THOSE mahf***az are makin it bad for the rest of the poor people that aint off on some underhanded isht....), the rich too is gettin off light, while the middle man's gettin hit in the pockets the most when it comes to taxes... I agree THAT part of it has to change.... BUT.... I kinda have the same question Joel (up front) has.... Regarding paying taxes, what do you quantify to be the poor's fair share? That's what I'm not quite gettin..... From what I'm gathering from your last 2 posts, it looks as if you want to punish the poor, because the middle man's payin out his ass in taxes..... I'd rather punish the rich, but that's just me.... you get more water from a river than you do from a pond than you do from a well..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted June 20, 2011 Share #211 Posted June 20, 2011 I got off that republicans= (for the) rich & democrats= (for the) poor mindset a long time ago.... It's nothin more than a farce....That is what urban youths are being taught, when it's pressed upon them to go vote when they are of age.... Personally, I think the more you make, the more you should be taxed.... As is, when it comes to taxation, yeah, the poor is gettin off light (you don't know how much it pisses me off to see/hear those that have no other legal income, continue to bank off the system while on welfare, while still livin "hood rich"... THOSE mahf***az are makin it bad for the rest of the poor people that aint off on some underhanded isht....), the rich too is gettin off light, while the middle man's gettin hit in the pockets the most when it comes to taxes... I agree THAT part of it has to change.... BUT.... I kinda have the same question Joel (up front) has.... Regarding paying taxes, what do you quantify to be the poor's fair share? That's what I'm not quite gettin..... From what I'm gathering from your last 2 posts, it looks as if you want to punish the poor, because the middle man's payin out his ass in taxes..... I'd rather punish the rich, but that's just me.... you get more water from a river than you do from a pond than you do from a well..... Yeah, unfortunately some people can't see the forest for the trees, or better yet can see through the BS. As for my position on taxes, I was pretty clear how I feel. Everyone should pay their fair share. That means the rich should pay a fair amount of taxes, but should not be overtaxed just because they earn more and the middle class should pay their fare share as well, but should not be drowing in taxes to subsidize the poor. The poor should basically pay their fair share of taxes as well, whatever that may be but they shouldn't get off scotch free. What needs to happen is the loopholes that allow the rich and poor in particular to get off should be dealt with. Even the middle class families get off to a degree. The real folks that are killed are single folks like myself who are middle class. Because I fall in between two income brackets, I am slammed, especially by NYS even though I claim "0". I am lucky if I don't owe the state by the time the year is over. He's not necessarily asking for it to be run by the MTA: He's asking for Nassau County to cover more of the costs of the private operator running the service. You can't run the whole system with $4 million in subsidies. And you could argue that capitalists are contributing to the poor staying poor. Look at places like Walmart: Sam Walton has billions of dollars whereas the average employee makes just above minimum wage. Oh please yeah he is. He's been complaining in various threads about the fact the isn't running it. The question is how is Long Island suddenly supposed to come up with millions of dollars if they haven't had the funds all of these years? That's what I would like him to answer and clearly since he hasn't answered it, he is perfectly fine seeing middle class Long Islanders being socked with higher taxes. What makes him think that they can afford millons more taxes when we're in the middle of a recession? Where is this money supposed to come from? That's what I want to know. You can't get more money if there isn't more to get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted June 20, 2011 Share #212 Posted June 20, 2011 Yeah, unfortunately some people can't see the forest for the trees, or better yet can see through the BS. As for my position on taxes, I was pretty clear how I feel. Everyone should pay their fair share. That means the rich should pay a fair amount of taxes, but should not be overtaxed just because they earn more and the middle class should pay their fare share as well, but should not be drowing in taxes to subsidize the poor. The poor should basically pay their fair share of taxes as well, whatever that may be but they shouldn't get off scotch free. What needs to happen is the loopholes that allow the rich and poor in particular to get off should be dealt with. Even the middle class families get off to a degree. The real folks that are killed are single folks like myself who are middle class. Because I fall in between two income brackets, I am slammed, especially by NYS even though I claim "0". I am lucky if I don't owe the state by the time the year is over. Oh please yeah he is. He's been complaining in various threads about the fact the isn't running it. The question is how is Long Island suddenly supposed to come up with millions of dollars if they haven't had the funds all of these years? That's what I would like him to answer and clearly since he hasn't answered it, he is perfectly fine seeing middle class Long Islanders being socked with higher taxes. What makes him think that they can afford millons more taxes when we're in the middle of a recession? Where is this money supposed to come from? That's what I want to know. You can't get more money if there isn't more to get. It isn't good for a country to be too socialist or too capitalist. I don't think that there is much wrong with the current system as far as taxing the poor goes. A graduated tax rate applies the principle that the first few dollars are the most vital to survival. The difference between $10,000 and $20,000 is much bigger (in terms of the lifestyle you can get) than the difference between $100,000 and $200,000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted June 20, 2011 Share #213 Posted June 20, 2011 Yeah, unfortunately some people can't see the forest for the trees, or better yet can see through the BS. As for my position on taxes, I was pretty clear how I feel. Everyone should pay their fair share. That means the rich should pay a fair amount of taxes, but should not be overtaxed just because they earn more and the middle class should pay their fare share as well, but should not be drowing in taxes to subsidize the poor. The poor should basically pay their fair share of taxes as well, whatever that may be but they shouldn't get off scotch free. What needs to happen is the loopholes that allow the rich and poor in particular to get off should be dealt with. Even the middle class families get off to a degree. The real folks that are killed are single folks like myself who are middle class. Because I fall in between two income brackets, I am slammed, especially by NYS even though I claim "0". I am lucky if I don't owe the state by the time the year is over. No it wasn't clear, that's why the hell I asked you... goddamn. Especially when you continually throw the term "fair share" around as you have..... So basically my suspicions were right; you sympathize more with the rich... Whatever, that's your prerogative..... However, I still think you're out to stick it to the poor though, even though you say you think they should pay their "fair share"... ...and no, I don't think the poor should get off scot free, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted June 20, 2011 Share #214 Posted June 20, 2011 No it wasn't clear, that's why the hell I asked you... goddamn. Especially when you throw the term "fair share" around as you have..... So basically my suspicions were right; you sympathize more with the rich... Whatever, that's your prerogative..... However, I still think you're out to stick it to the poor though, even though you say you think they should pay their "fair share"... clever choice of words btw... ...and no, I don't think the poor should get off scot free, either. Stick it to the poor how? In theory since they're poor I guess the idea is that they couldn't afford to pay any taxes, which is just as ridiculous as the rich not paying any taxes. My point was that they should pay something, not a crazy amount, but still make a contribution for the good of the system as a whole. What I'm saying is there needs to be a level playing field across the board. I don't just sympathize with the rich. I sympathize with anyone who is overpaying in taxes. Here in NYC for example there are plenty of folks saying tax the wealthy. If you overtax any one group, that group will leave, as is being shown by the many New Yorkers that have left. Some of them are rich and some of them are middle class and some are poor. If you overtax the wealthy and they leave, who is there to tax?? As it is now, many poor people are leaving the city even with them getting off scot/scotch (whichever you prefer although I feel weird using scot-free even though it is technically the correct term lol) free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted June 20, 2011 Share #215 Posted June 20, 2011 Stick it to the poor how? In theory since they're poor I guess the idea is that they couldn't afford to pay any taxes, which is just as ridiculous as the rich not paying any taxes. My point was that they should pay something, not a crazy amount, but still make a contribution for the good of the system as a whole. What I'm saying is there needs to be a level playing field across the board. I don't just sympathize with the rich. I sympathize with anyone who is overpaying in taxes. Here in NYC for example there are plenty of folks saying tax the wealthy. If you overtax any one group that group will leave, as is being shown by the many New Yorkers that have left. Some of them are rich and some of them are middle class and some are poor. If you overtax the wealthy and they leave, who is there to tax?? That's what wasn't clear before (part in bold)..... Well when you make the statement in that last reply of yours that I bolded, you do realize that's how you come off... your commentary definitely supports that hypothesis; the rich shouldn't be overtaxed to support the poor, but the poor should be overtaxed so they don't get off scot free.... I get what you're sayin about there being a level playing field... I don't agree with overtaxing anyone, rich, middle man, or the poor... but I do think the rich should pay more taxes than the middle man.... When you got the middle man paying similar (or in some cases, more) than the rich, there's a problem... which leaves the middle man in a bind b/c he/she don't have scrooge mcduck money.... - rich man: busy, but nonchalantly countin his hunnit's... - middle man: busy budgeting w/e hunnit's he has (left) - poor man: pooling, scrounging, and/or budgeting w/e 20's, 10's, 5's & 1's to do.. whatever IMHO, The middle man has more in common with the poor, than they do the rich..... The poor is not a threat to the rich at all... The middle man can (and often do) live with the poor (even though it's not their desire to do so), and that's the rift I'm in, even though I could be in a worse position (neighborhood)... middle man gets chastised, even ostracized from even being around a rich community, let along tryna reside w/i it.... rich man pays as minimal in taxes as possible (which is the way I feel w/ a lot of these folk) while keepin the poor man around to pay them next to nothin for their services (using & taking advantage of them) to make life easier for their asses.... the rich could give a shit about the middle man or the poor man at the end of the day.... That's part of the reason why I side more with the poor than I do the rich, when it comes to taxation..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted June 20, 2011 Share #216 Posted June 20, 2011 That's what wasn't clear before (part in bold)..... Well when you make the statement in that last reply of yours that I bolded, you do realize that's how you come off... your commentary definitely supports that hypothesis; the rich shouldn't be overtaxed to support the poor, but the poor should be overtaxed so they don't get off scot free.... I get what you're sayin about there being a level playing field... I don't agree with overtaxing anyone, rich, middle man, or the poor... but I do think the rich should pay more taxes than the middle man.... When you got the middle man paying similar (or in some cases, more) than the rich, there's a problem... which leaves the middle man in a bind b/c he/she don't have scrooge mcduck money.... - rich man: busy, but nonchalantly countin his hunnit's... - middle man: busy budgeting w/e hunnit's he has (left) - poor man: scrounging up w/e 20's, 10's, 5's & 1's to do.. whatever IMHO, The middle man has more in common with the poor, than they do the rich..... The poor is not a threat to the rich at all... The middle can (and often do) live with the poor (even though it's not their desire to do so), and that's the rift I'm in, even though I could be in a worse position (neighborhood)... middle man gets chastised, even ostracized from even being around a rich community, let along tryna reside w/i it.... rich man pays as minimal in taxes as possible (which is the way I feel w/ a lot of these folk) while keepin the poor man around to pay them next to nothin for their services (using & taking advantage of them) to make life easier for their asses.... the rich could give a shit about the middle man or the poor man at the end of the day.... That's part of the reason why I side more with the poor than I do the rich, when it comes to taxation..... My thinking has always been that I would not want to be taxed to death should I become wealthy. Even as a middle class dude I think I'm heavily overtaxed, especially in comparison to middle class families. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted June 20, 2011 Share #217 Posted June 20, 2011 what the hell happened to this thread it went from LIB to taxes WTF thats what I meant by staying out of the WAR this poor vs rich war that became of this thread I hope it doesn't get like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9vQmvhMUHU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted June 20, 2011 Share #218 Posted June 20, 2011 My thinking has always been that I would not want to be taxed to death should I become wealthy. Even as I middle class dude I think I'm heavily overtaxed, especially in comparison to middle class families. But you have to consider that, like I said, the first few dollars are more essential to living. Giving somebody who earns $15,000 per year an extra $1,000 in take-home pay means more than giving somebody who earns $150,000 per year an extra $10,000 to take home. For example, even with the high taxes placed on you, you are able to afford to live in a decent area, eat good food, and use a better form of transportation. Of course, there is nothing wrong with that, since you worked for it, but would the extra money that you get in the form of a tax break make that much of a difference in your lifestyle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted June 20, 2011 Share #219 Posted June 20, 2011 But you have to consider that, like I said, the first few dollars are more essential to living. Even with the high taxes placed on you, you are able to afford to live in a decent area, eat good food, and take a better form of transit Or like the smart ppl manipulate the gov't handouts by doing what the gov't wants in exchange for tax breaks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted June 20, 2011 Share #220 Posted June 20, 2011 My thinking has always been that I would not want to be taxed to death should I become wealthy. Even as I middle class dude I think I'm heavily overtaxed, especially in comparison to middle class families. Oh neither do I.... but I'm one to realize that, when you move up the ladder of success, more is to be expected of you.... In other words, I would expect to be taxed more than I am now.... Any sane person would cry foul when they're overtaxed, and rightfully so..... I was taught to never take things solely for face value... and when I watch/hear/read about how the rich get over in society, it bothers me a little more.... It's like, when the rich engage in tax evasion, I feel it's far more detrimental (to society) than when the poor engage in it.... There are "loopholes" the rich can get around to not paying as much as they should in taxes, yet they STILL engage in further tax evasion methods to the point where not only are they not paying minimal.... they don't end up payin shit.... On the other side of the coin, the poor that engage in tax evasion do so not only to not have to pay anything, they do it so they can gain money.. Both are equally reprehensible acts in their own rights.... (it's somethin about white collar crimes that makes me clench my fist a little harder, and scrunch my face in anger that much more...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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B35 via Church Posted June 20, 2011 Share #222 Posted June 20, 2011 what the hell happened to this thread it went from LIB to taxes WTF thats what I meant by staying out of the WAR this poor vs rich war that became of this thread I hope it doesn't get like this ** pointless YT clip** There is no war... stop trolling... ** educational YT clip** another way point #5 can be illustrated/construed, is in this lil side discussion via & I are having..... The middle class aren't thinking similiarly (differences in lifestyle can be attributed to that, and dare I say it, race as well) / acting in unison w/ each other... which makes the eradication of the middle class that much easier.... in the US at least.... divide & conquer But you have to consider that, like I said, the first few dollars are more essential to living. Giving somebody who earns $15,000 per year an extra $1,000 in take-home pay means more than giving somebody who earns $150,000 per year an extra $10,000 to take home. For example, even with the high taxes placed on you, you are able to afford to live in a decent area, eat good food, and use a better form of transportation. Of course, there is nothing wrong with that, since you worked for it, but would the extra money that you get in the form of a tax break make that much of a difference in your lifestyle? nah, I understand his worry... it aint so much that the taxes that would increase as a result of him earning more, being a burden on his lifestyle... right now, I'm on my filet o' fish kick.... at some point in life, I'm lookin to s*** out caviar & kobe beef on the daily.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted June 20, 2011 Share #223 Posted June 20, 2011 There is no war... stop trolling... another way point #5 can be illustrated/construed, is in this lil side discussion via & I are having..... The middle class aren't thinking similiarly (differences in lifestyle can be attributed to that, and dare I say it, race as well) / acting in unison w/ each other... which makes the eradication of the middle class that much easier.... in the US at least.... divide & conquer nah, I understand his worry... it aint so much that the taxes that would increase as a result of him earning more, being a burden on his lifestyle... right now, I'm on my filet o' fish kick.... at some point in life, I'm lookin to s*** out caviar & kobe beef on the daily.... sorry but the topic changed completely that's all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted June 20, 2011 Share #224 Posted June 20, 2011 Oh neither do I.... but I'm one to realize that, when you move up the ladder of success, more is to be expected of you.... In other words, I would expect to be taxed more than I am now.... Any sane person would cry foul when they're overtaxed, and rightfully so..... I was taught to never take things solely for face value... and when I watch/hear/read about how the rich get over in society, it bothers me a little more.... It's like, when the rich engage in tax evasion, I feel it's far more detrimental (to society) than when the poor engage in it.... There are "loopholes" the rich can get around to not paying as much as they should in taxes, yet they STILL engage in further tax evasion methods to the point where not only are they not paying minimal.... they don't end up payin shit.... On the other side of the coin, the poor that engage in tax evasion do so not only to not have to pay anything, they do it so they can gain money.. Both are equally reprehensible acts in their own rights.... (it's somethin about white collar crimes that makes me clench my fist a little harder, and scrunch my face in anger that much more...) LMAO... And me I enjoy seeing folks get over and beat the system. Masterminds and American Greed are some of my favs for that reason alone. :cool: But then you have the rich that give away millions every year, so in a way you could argue that it works itself out with the rich. Can't really say that about the poor. But you have to consider that, like I said, the first few dollars are more essential to living. Giving somebody who earns $15,000 per year an extra $1,000 in take-home pay means more than giving somebody who earns $150,000 per year an extra $10,000 to take home. For example, even with the high taxes placed on you, you are able to afford to live in a decent area, eat good food, and use a better form of transportation. Of course, there is nothing wrong with that, since you worked for it, but would the extra money that you get in the form of a tax break make that much of a difference in your lifestyle? Perhaps. I have a friend for example who earns in the 70s and he drives around w/two cars and such. I wouldn't say that he's doing substantially better than me though seeing that he still hasn't bought an apt yet and he's about 4 years older than me. The thing is he also pays a decent penny in taxes since he is technically single (he officially divorced his wife a year or so ago) and has no kids. His expenses are higher than mine. He has parking spots for both cars, plus there's the maintenance, gas, etc that goes with both of them and he has to have his season tickets to the Devils games and such. In sum the guy can blow through money worse than I do which is scary when I think about it. :eek: The one thing I've learned is that it's not how much you make, but how high your expenses are. Now to tie this back to the thread, Long Islanders may have high incomes, but those high incomes mean high taxes. There are plenty of couples earning say 150 - 200k a year combined and they are barely making ends meet because of their tax bracket and their monthly expenses. Generally the more one makes, the more ones expenses are, so with that said, that's why I strongly disagree with socking homeowners with millions more in property taxes. They may earn a lot, but their expenses are also high. In my case, I would tend to think that I would use the extra money wisely (i.e. invest in something relatively safe), but maybe I wouldn't. I would probably be tempted to spend more of it on fine dining or some car or something even though I hate the idea of having to drive. That's just the way it is. The more you earn the more you want to endulge. IMO, it's kind of like you work hard so you want of reward yourself for your hard work. I think everyone thinks like this for the most part, with some exceptions of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted June 20, 2011 Share #225 Posted June 20, 2011 LMAO... And me I enjoy see folks get over and beat the system. Masterminds and American Greed are some of my favs for that reason alone. :cool: But then you have the rich that give away millions every year, so in a way you could argue that it works itself out with the rich. Can't really say that about the poor. and another via 8 victory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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