official Subway - What If?

[Brighton Express]

I will assume that this is for uptown trains only. Considering you mean ALL TRAINS everything below is included. If you only mean the Queens portion, which has happened in real life before, follow my guidelines on the .

 

Switch Local at Broadway Lafayette.

Switch onto W4 (8th Avenue Express).

Continues along normal route via the [C].

Goes Express at 59st.

 

Runs via along 53rd Street.

Runs via to 71st Avenue.

Runs via to 179th Street.

Edited April 1, 2012 by trainguy97

[TrainFanInfinity]

How would the get from 8 Av to the Manhattan Bridge? Check a track map - it's impossible southbound.

 

 

Whoops! Sorry:

 

- Runs in two sections-

 

• Between Coney Island/Stillwell Avenue (rerouted via the [R])and Whitehall Street.

• Between 2nd Avenue via the and Norwood-205 Street.

 

Trains run local between Atlantic Avenue-Pacific Street and 36 Street in both directions.

 

[R] - Runs in two sections-

• Between Bay Ridge-95 Street and 59 Street.

• Between 57 Street-7 Avenue (via the ) and Forest Hills-71 Avenue

 

[CDTA]

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The overpass @E180th St has collapsed, at 2 AM on a Monday morning. The middle track can be opened up after one day, an the rest of the tracks and the station in three. Remember that access to E180th, Uniport, And 233rd St yards are cutoff.

[Brighton Express]

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The overpass @E180th St has collapsed, at 2 AM on a Monday morning. The middle track can be opened up after one day, an the rest of the tracks and the station in three. Remember that access to E180th, Uniport, And 233rd St yards are cutoff.

 

Suspend the

Shuttle Buses provide service to 241^st St.

trains run Local in both directions between 149^th St. and E180 St.

trains extended to Brooklyn and run Local in both directions from Nevins St. to Flatbush Av. until all service is restored.

Edited April 2, 2012 by trainguy97

[B3 Via Av U]

Since you didn't, i'll propose a new scenario:

 

Due to construction of a new underground passageway from Barclay's Center to Atlantic Terminal, the (B /(Q) station & the (2)/(3)(4)/(5) local tracks are closed. Pacific Street is unaffected. All Atlantic Terminal LIRR trains have been rerouted to LIC. Just reroute subway lines.

 

Remember:

4 Avenue can't handle 5 lines.

The IRT Brooklyn Express tracks can't handle 4 lines.

 

B Division:

Q runs in 2 sections:

1-CI to PP

2-Astoria to 57th St

B-suspended

A Division:

2-Goes through the express tracks

3-Turns at TSQ-42 St

4-Extended to New Lots Av

5-Shuttle from Dyre to E 180th

[Wallyhorse]

B Division:

Q runs in 2 sections:

1-CI to PP

2-Astoria to 57th St

B-suspended

A Division:

2-Goes through the express tracks

3-Turns at TSQ-42 St

4-Extended to New Lots Av

5-Shuttle from Dyre to E 180th

 

 

As I would do it:

 

Q runs to/from Prospect Park through Coney Island via the D and N, using the express tracks on 4th Avenue AND:

From Manhattan to Coney Island and then Prospect Park via the Sea Beach express track.

From Prospect Park to Coney Island and then Manhattan via the West End express track..

7th Avenue Station is closed.

Passengers at or closer to Prospect Park have the option of using the Shuttle at Prospect Park to the 2/4 at Botanic Garden-Franklin Avenue.

 

B terminates at the 2nd Avenue F station.

 

2 runs via the express tracks and skips Bergen Street, Grand Army Plaza and Eastern Parkway (those stations are closed).

3 goes with the 1 to South Ferry as a local.

4 is extended to New Lots Avenue

5 runs to Bowling Green

 

Shuttle buses operates from Prospect Park, stopping at Eastern Parkway (2/3), Grand Army Plaza (2/3), 7th Avenue (B/Q) and Bergen Street (2/3) before terminating at Atlantic Avenue.

 

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Water main break at 5th Avenue and 14th Street has closed the Union Square (4/5/6/L/N/Q/R) and 6th Avenue (F/L/M) stations and trains can't run into those stations, nor can the B/D run on the express tracks under 6th Avenue. PATH is also affected by this.

Edited April 3, 2012 by Wallyhorse

[TwoTimer]

runs in two sections - Brooklyn Bridge and Utica Avenue, Woodlawn and 86st (northbound service starts at 125).

All service on west side (going to need it).

runs from Pelham Bay to Grand Central.

Bedford Av to Rockaway Pkwy.

runs in two sections - Astoria to Times Sq., Coney Island to Pacific St.

Coney Island to Whitehall St.

® in two sections Bay Ridge shuttle., Forest Hills to 34-Herald Sq via 63st.

Replaces in Queens and 53st, via 8Av to W4.

C/B suspended, Express 42-Canal.

in two sections - Coney Island to Bway-Laf, 205 to 2Av, (via 8Av to w4 obviously), local in Manhattan. Spring St closed, use nearby station.

Myrtle Av Shuttle.

Edited April 3, 2012 by TwoTimer

[Eric B]

With all the work that goes on on elevated lines, that is squeezed into weekday middays, even when other parts of the line are shut down on the weekends, I believe it should be consolidated into bigger shutdowns; basically, a weekend daytime FastTrack.

 

So like yesterday, on the , there were several work gangs south of Church Ave. So this past weekend, they should have closed the entire line down.

 

The could then run express to Brighton Beach, and the would be unaffected in Brooklyn, and only have to run over the from W4 to Jay St.

If coordinated with work on the Sea Beach line that cuts service back somewhere, then the could run through to Stillwell, and use the tracks; except that they never fixed the connection of track 2 to the Brighton line (at least, not since I was last there).

[Guest Lance]

I think the F-trains are sent to Euclid Av as opposed to down any other south Brooklyn lines to give easy access to the Culver shuttle buses since the F-trains would still stop at Jay St. If the F-trains ran down the Brighton line for instance, either the buses would have to be moved over to Atlantic-Pacific or riders would have to take the R-trains to Jay St-MetroTech.

[NX Express]

What I don't understand is why not just terminate the at Jay during those times - they can use the crossover south of York St. It'll be cheaper because the runs less often than the .

[TwoTimer]

Jay St wasn't meant to be a terminal. Also the GO limits often extend into the Jay St station itself along the Culver tracks. As far as I know, a train can't wrong rail into Jay using the York St crossover. The crossover was meant for single tracking in the Rutgers Tube and the interlocking by Delancey. Even my solution to the last "epic water break" was wrong. The D can't turn north to south at Bway-Lafayette. I was on the B today and I looked for a home signal to get behind for the reverse move back south, and there was none. They can only turn back north at Bway Laf. They would have to go all the way into West 4 and turn north of the station, which would be too close to the water, lol.

[Eric B]

I think the F-trains are sent to Euclid Av as opposed to down any other south Brooklyn lines to give easy access to the Culver shuttle buses since the F-trains would still stop at Jay St. If the F-trains ran down the Brighton line for instance, either the buses would have to be moved over to Atlantic-Pacific or riders would have to take the R-trains to Jay St-MetroTech.

I assumed it was because there was no place else for them to go.

[VWM]

Water main break at 5th Avenue and 14th Street has closed the Union Square (4/5/6/L/N/Q/R) and 6th Avenue (F/L/M) stations and trains can't run into those stations, nor can the B/D run on the express tracks under 6th Avenue. PATH is also affected by this.

 

 

PATH:

Blue and Yellow Lines do not run. The combined night route runs between hoboken and Journal Sq.

 

B suspended

© suspended

not running between Broadway/Laffayette and 34 St

not running between 34 St and Delancey St

runs to Chambers St

not running between Rockaway Pkwy and 14 St

No Service Between 42 St and Atlantic Term

Not running south of 42 St

No service south of 125 St

Not running between 34 St and Pacific St (4 Av Exp)

Not running north of Prospect Park

® Bay Ridge Shuttle

REPLACEMENTS IN MANHATTAN:

(M7) is extended to Delancey St Station

Express Bus Service Runs Between Grand Central and Bowling Green or Atlantic Term

Express Bus Service Runs Between 34 St Herald Sq and Pacific St or Prospect Park

Express Bus Service Runs Between Myrtle-Wyckoff and Rockaway Parkway and Myrtle-Wyckoff and 14 St via Williamsburg Bridge

Edited April 5, 2012 by VWM

[CDTA]

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Water main break at 5th Avenue and 14th Street has closed the Union Square (4/5/6/L/N/Q/R) and 6th Avenue (F/L/M) stations and trains can't run into those stations, nor can the B/D run on the express tracks under 6th Avenue. PATH is also affected by this.

 

 

F,D, re-routed down 8th Ave Local, C runs express, B,E, Suspended. Q from 21st Queensbridge to Jamaica Van Wyck via 57th St.

M14 A/D/S (S only runs this route and is a special which does not have deviations (i.e. Chelsea Piers on the M14D)) Start at WTC, follow the E to 14th St, where the A/D go to their respective terminals, but do not terminate then go down 14th st, S Goes down 2nd ave, stopping at the 1st ave L station, looping around via Stuyvestant Town, north on 1st ave, then down Allen, A goes down Ave A, D goes down Ave D, then loops around Grand St to Essex St, all buses then go down Delancy to Wilamsburg Bridge, where the buses then go to Metropolitan Ave, to Loimer St L. L train runs from Bedford Ave to Canarsie. M from Metropolitan Ave to W 4th St. Franklin Ave Shuttle extended to 59th St via CI. service from Whitehall Rd to CI. N Shuttle will operate from Astoria to 34th st. F Operates Local on Queens Blvd. G Extended to Forest Hills. R Operates between Whitehall Rd and 95th St (Reduced Headways).

 

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A nuclear warhead hit the Empire State Building and rendered all train service in Manhattan unusable.

 

Sorry, I just had to.

Edited April 6, 2012 by CDTA

[Threxx]

 

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A nuclear warhead hit the Empire State Building and rendered all train service in Manhattan unusable.

 

Sorry, I just had to.

 

 

Yeah... I would shut down the subway. Use Buses!

[NX Express]

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Water main break at 5th Avenue and 14th Street has closed the Union Square (4/5/6/L/N/Q/R) and 6th Avenue (F/L/M) stations and trains can't run into those stations, nor can the B/D run on the express tracks under 6th Avenue. PATH is also affected by this.

 

PATH All services to 33 St suspended.

 

(B) No trains south of 34 St - Herald Sq.

No trains between 34 St - Herald Sq and 36 St.

Trains run via the between Roosevelt Av and West 4 St.

No trains between Broad St and 47/50 St. Trains run via 63 St and use the crossover south of 57 St.

 

No trains between 8 Av and 3 Av. Customers advised to use A, C, G, J, M, and Z trains.

No trains between 34 St - Herald Sq and 36 St.

No trains between 34 St - Herald Sq and Whitehall St.

(R) No trains between 59 St/Lex Av and Canal St.

 

(C) Trains run express in Manhattan.

 

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Because of a blackout in the area, Fulton St station is closed and impassable.

 

Affected:

(C)

Edited April 6, 2012 by NX Express

[Gorgor]

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Because of a blackout in the area, Fulton St station is closed and impassable.

 

Affected:

(C)

 

- Runs between the Bronx and Chambers Street

- Suspended

- Two sections:

1. The Bronx to Brooklyn Bridge
   
2. Bowling Green to New Lots Avenue via LOCAL
   

- Two sections:

1. The Bronx to Brooklyn Bridge
   
2. Bowling Green to Flatbush Avenue via LOCAL
   

- Local entire route, runs on the line between W 4th and Jay Street

- Suspended

- Terminate at Chambers Street

 

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Due to a fire at Grand Street , the entire station is closed and impassible, while at the same time a 12-9 happened on the uptown Canal Street track, closing off all uptown trains (the downtown side is fine).

[CDTA]

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Due to a fire at Grand Street ( B), the entire station is closed and impassible, while at the same time a 12-9 happened on the uptown Canal Street ® track, closing off all uptown trains (the downtown side is fine).

 

 

Uptown R Via Nassua St, 6th Ave Exp and 63rd St.

B To 57th St Via Broadway Local.

F Via 53rd St

M Suspended

G Extended to Forest Hills 71-st St

D Runs in two parts:

CI to Whitehall

205th St to Metropolitan Ave

[NX Express]

Good luck with the 600-ft , with 75-ft cars, to Metropolitan...

[Wallyhorse]

Doing two of these at once:

Because of a blackout in the area, Fulton St station is closed and impassable.

 

 

A operates in two sections:

207th Street-Chambers (regular A track) as a local in Manhattan

High Street-Far Rockaway as an express on Fulton Street

 

C operates as a local in Brooklyn and Queens only from Hoyt-Schemerhorn (using the Court Street-Transit Museum station to turn with the Museum trains temporarily moved elsewhere) and is extended to Lefferts Boulevard, replacing the A from Rockaway Parkway-Lefferts.

 

 

E runs normal service

 

F runs normal service

 

N is re-routed via the tunnel to accommodate extra passengers from the affected IRT lines, which would be as follows:

 

2 runs Chambers-241st Street

3 runs with the 1 to South Ferry as a local in Manhattan

 

4 and 5 both run in two parts:

4 from Woodlawn and 5 from Dyre Avenue-Brooklyn Bridge, running local in Manhattan (Bowling Green and Wall Street are CLOSED)

 

In Brooklyn, both lines from local from Borough Hall-Franklin Avenue before breaking off, with the 4 replacing the 3 to New Lots and the 5 running normally to Franklin Avenue.

 

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Due to a fire at Grand Street ( B / D ), the entire station is closed and impassible, while at the same time a 12-9 happened on the uptown Canal Street ® track, closing off all uptown trains (the downtown side is fine).

 

This is the second one, which is a separate scenario:

 

B operates Brighton Beach-Coney Island in place of the Q, then runs through Coney Island and via the F (using the Park Slope express tracks) to Broadway-Lafayette, then regular route.

 

D is in two sections:

Coney Island to Whitehall Street

205th street to the 2nd Avenue F station OR (if shortened to 480' or less trains) after Broadway-Lafayette via the Eastern Division to the Broadway Junction J station.

 

E runs normal service

 

F runs normal service

 

M runs normal service

 

Uptown R service runs via the Nassau line to Essex, then, using the turnaround on the Williamsburg Bridge then runs via the M to 50th Street and via the F and then M again to 36th Street in Queens before resuming normal service.

 

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Work on the World Trade Center has knocked out the 8th Avenue line and Broadway-7th Avenue Local south of Chambers Street (the Broadway-7th Avenue express to Brooklyn is unaffected as is the Broadway Line via Montauge).

Edited April 7, 2012 by Wallyhorse

[VWM]

Yeah... I would shut down the subway. Use Buses!

 

 

Use buses if you want to get all kinds of cancer, sure.

[B to Brighton]

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Work on the World Trade Center has knocked out the 8th Avenue line and Broadway-7th Avenue Local south of Chambers Street (the Broadway-7th Avenue express to Brooklyn is unaffected as is the Broadway Line via Montauge).

 

 

via the from W4 to Jay St

Bay Ridge - Whitehall St

Jamaica Center - Chambers St; select trains via QB local

Suspended

Select trains to Chambers St

Extended and increased service between Forest Hills - Church Av

 

ps: where is the Orange ?

Edited April 7, 2012 by B to Brighton

[NX Express]

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Work on the World Trade Center has knocked out the 8th Avenue line and Broadway-7th Avenue Local south of Chambers Street (the Broadway-7th Avenue express to Brooklyn is unaffected as is the Broadway Line via Montague).

 

 

Trains run via the in both directions between West 4 St and Jay St.

Suspended. trains make local stops.

No trains south of Canal St. The last stop on some southbound trains is 34 St - Penn Station.

No service between Whitehall St (trains from 71 Av run via the ) and Broad St (trains from Met Av run via the ). Transfer at Canal St.

Trains run to New Lots Av.

Trains run local in Manhattan south of 42 St.

No service south of 14 St.

 

PS @ Wallyhorse: Why are you so obsessed with sending trains to the Transit Museum? Face it - they won't move all the trains (to where, anyway?) for a temporary disruption.

 

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Work at 7 Av and 53 St disrupts subway service. 7 Av/53 St is closed and impassable, and trains cannot go between 49 St and 57 St on the Broadway Line (assume trains can enter 57 St, but not use the switches south of the station).

[N4 Via Merrick Rd]

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Work at 7 Av and 53 St disrupts subway service. 7 Av/53 St is closed and impassable, and trains cannot go between 49 St and 57 St on the Broadway Line (assume trains can enter 57 St, but not use the switches south of the station).

 

simple the would go thru 6th Ave and finish at then hop back on the 8th avenue line 2 W 4th Street and continue normal service..for the disruption at 7th/53rd

 

then would terminate at 57th and no service and then the goes via 53rd Street and 6th Ave. and over the Manhattan Bridge and then on its normal route and most likely the and maybe the (orange) will operate over night.

Edited April 8, 2012 by audiot1129

[Wallyhorse]

PS @ Wallyhorse: Why are you so obsessed with sending trains to the Transit Museum? Face it - they won't move all the trains (to where, anyway?) for a temporary disruption.

 

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Work at 7 Av and 53 St disrupts subway service. 7 Av/53 St is closed and impassable, and trains cannot go between 49 St and 57 St on the Broadway Line (assume trains can enter 57 St, but not use the switches south of the station).

 

 

In answer to the question, it's to keep the running in Brooklyn when it can't use the Cranberry Street tunnel and to avoid using the Rutgers Street tunnel and messing up the , especially when another line possibly has to potentially terminate at 2nd Avenue. If there was a way to switch the before any possible conflict with the Museum station, I would do that.

 

Anyway, as for the scenario:

via 6th Avenue from West 4th to 53rd Street-5th Avenue.

 

runs in two sections:

71st-Continental to 57th Street-7th Avenue via 63rd Street Tunnel (Skips Queens Plaza, Lexington Avenue 60th and 5th Avenue, Stops at 21st-Queensbridge, Roosevelt Island and 63rd Street-Lexington Avenue stations), special OOS transfer to (4)/ (5)/ at 63rd-Lexington Avenue.

Times Square Manhattan-95th Street Brooklyn via regular route.

 

runs in two sections:

Ditmars Boulevard to Lexington Avenue-60th Street

Times Square-Coney Island via regular route.

 

terminates at Times Square

 

runs full route at all times.