aemoreira81 Posted November 4, 2012 Share #351 Posted November 4, 2012 Absolutely. Just because the media doesn't like to cover it doesn't mean the issue doesn't exist. Video of it happening will make believers, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted November 4, 2012 Share #352 Posted November 4, 2012 Why do you refuse to believe it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GojiMet86 Posted November 4, 2012 Share #353 Posted November 4, 2012 Why do you refuse to believe it? Man, why do have such a hard-on for Coney Island? Looting is happening all across the city, and you care only for Coney Island in particular. Staten Island is in ruins, the subway is coming back, and the only thing you give a damn about are those ghetto savages that are looting pharmacies and stores. We know its happening. But it's really the only thing you've talked about. Savages this, savages that, no media coverage this, no media coverage that. Just google it and you'll see it's getting extensive coverage. This is exactly the type of scenario where socialist government attempts to take over. #1 reason why if you're not armed after the disaster, you could very well be toast. If the storm doesn't kill you, the animals will. And you're still ranting on about socialist governments? Is it because they'll try to cater to the poor, who tend to be minorities and "savages", and most affected? Oh wait, you're the same guy that thinks gun control laws will give blacks and latinos the power to take over whites and America: Will you be purchasing your first firearm once open season is declared upon whites? Gonna join in on the festivities? I do remember that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted November 4, 2012 Share #354 Posted November 4, 2012 Gun control disenfranchises everyone and places them at the mercy of others. I understand that your news sources want you to think otherwise, but we've got to think critically here. Critical thinking is not taking quotes out of context. A+ for effort though, champ. The looting is a big problem, even here on LI. People are having their (ruined) houses picked apart by thieves. Others have generators stolen right out of their yards. Others have gas stolen out of their vehicles. One of the many ugly facets of a natural disaster. I find it relevant, therefore I talk about it. Isn't that why this is called a discussion forum. I mean, damn, you can't be that dense. Socialism is nice and all, but is far too idealistic for it to be applicable to humans in any capacity. It's like going through life thinking everyone loves you. It's impractical. By the way, I love how you quoted me three times in one post. I must have struck a nerve somewhere with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GojiMet86 Posted November 4, 2012 Share #355 Posted November 4, 2012 Martin Luther King Jr. was a socialist. W.E.B. DU Bois was a socialist. Rosa Parks attended some Communist Party meetings. I think it's a bit obvious what he did to help minorities. People who were associated with civil rights and granting minorities rights and such were labelled commies and socialists, kind of how you're doing it right now. People who helped with Civil Rights were mostly liberals and socialists. Are you gonna tell me they were savages and evil people? You argue that liberals keep minorities down by giving them enough just to get by, but no jobs to get them out of poverty? Tell me, who gave them rights in the first place? Conservatives kept (and still like to keep) minorities down, oh, I don't know, for a good 150 years? Again, look at the conservative Southern Democrats who moved to the Republican party after the Civil Rights Acts, and whose racist ideas and values have perpetrated today's Republican Party. Notice that their arguements for keeping minorities in check and your arguements are very similar: "Socialism is evil, state governments need to have more control than central government (Tyranny of the Majority), we have to keep the savages in control, we don't need gun control because we have to defend ourselves and our families" etc. If you think socialism is so bad, why did we team up with the Commies during WWII? And frankly, I'm more in disgust that you're ungrateful for the social security system that you use and that liberals like FDR helped push forward. Even more, when you try to credit conservatism for it, you keep digging yourself into a bigger hole. Also, explain to me how capitalism has helped everyone in this country. Clearly, there are people without jobs. What are you gonna say, that liberalism is preventing people from getting jobs? I don't see any liberalism in the causes of the Great Depression. Is it because they are lazy? Well, those guys on Wall Street don't work physically demanding jobs and I don't see anyone calling them lazy. Why is it that our money goes to up the very wealthy few (Trickle-up economics )? Why is there even unemployment in this good system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTARegional Bus Posted November 4, 2012 Share #356 Posted November 4, 2012 Look am not trying to but Capitalism down, I think both Capitalism and Socialism have it's good and bad but they work great together in trying to give opportunities to businesses and poor so the can become greater but at the same time give good working condition and better pay by regulation and government subsidy for small business and people that want a roof over there head, so for those who say the want smaller government there being ignorant since most senor citizen and people with disability rely on social security and most buildings in this city were built by government subsidys Also I use to go to public schools,Take a Public bus or Subway to work, does that make me a Socialist ? Also phantom909 it also depends how the state runs things, don't matter if it's Capitalism and Socialism,we have corrupt politicians on both sides of the fence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realizm Posted November 4, 2012 Share #357 Posted November 4, 2012 Also phantom909 it also depends how the state runs things don't matter if it's Capitalism and Socialism,we have corrupt politicians on both sides of the fence. Indeed. We have yet to see any form of government that actually can solve the problems of this world. I am yet to see a form of government that actually works. Regardless of whether it it a socialist or capitalist form of government. The point is that these countries are failing to meet the needs of its peoples instead oppressing them. That cannot be denied no matter how much well versed in politics a person comes with an arguement in defense of socialism or capitalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortline Bus Posted November 4, 2012 Share #358 Posted November 4, 2012 Shifting back to the topic. Bad news for our region. A possible another Nor'easter (not as bad as Sandy)is coming. Worst case, it cause flooding to occur once again. That for this wed./thursday 11/7-11/8. http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/easter-follow-sandy-path-ny-nj-article-1.1196195 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTARegional Bus Posted November 4, 2012 Share #359 Posted November 4, 2012 It's won't be as bad as Sandy,Thankfully we will not be getting a Full moon this time and the wind speeds wouldn't be taking down power lines though the trees that took a beating from sandy may not be ready for round 2, also the flooding would be minimal,not as bad as Sandy but this could be a problem for cleaning efforts and of course there is still people without power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom909 Posted November 4, 2012 Share #360 Posted November 4, 2012 Martin Luther King Jr. was a socialist. W.E.B. DU Bois was a socialist. Rosa Parks attended some Communist Party meetings. I think it's a bit obvious what he did to help minorities. People who were associated with civil rights and granting minorities rights and such were labelled commies and socialists, kind of how you're doing it right now. People who helped with Civil Rights were mostly liberals and socialists. Are you gonna tell me they were savages and evil people? You argue that liberals keep minorities down by giving them enough just to get by, but no jobs to get them out of poverty? Tell me, who gave them rights in the first place? Conservatives kept (and still like to keep) minorities down, oh, I don't know, for a good 150 years? Again, look at the conservative Southern Democrats who moved to the Republican party after the Civil Rights Acts, and whose racist ideas and values have perpetrated today's Republican Party. Notice that their arguements for keeping minorities in check and your arguements are very similar: "Socialism is evil, state governments need to have more control than central government (Tyranny of the Majority), we have to keep the savages in control, we don't need gun control because we have to defend ourselves and our families" etc. If you think socialism is so bad, why did we team up with the Commies during WWII? And frankly, I'm more in disgust that you're ungrateful for the social security system that you use and that liberals like FDR helped push forward. Even more, when you try to credit conservatism for it, you keep digging yourself into a bigger hole. Also, explain to me how capitalism has helped everyone in this country. Clearly, there are people without jobs. What are you gonna say, that liberalism is preventing people from getting jobs? I don't see any liberalism in the causes of the Great Depression. Is it because they are lazy? Well, those guys on Wall Street don't work physically demanding jobs and I don't see anyone calling them lazy. Why is it that our money goes to up the very wealthy few (Trickle-up economics )? Why is there even unemployment in this good system? martin luther king was not a socialist, he was a republican, dubois was a socialist, and rosa parks may have attended some communist meetings didnt make her a communist even though she worked for years with liberal john conyers who has helped keep detroit and michigan down explain to me how conservatives keep minorities down, when you look and see how the unemployment numbers in states with republicans in power are lower than ones with democrats in power capitalism has given everyone in this country a better standard of living that 95% of the other 7 billion people on this planet. Explain why people risk life and limb trying to get here, legally and illegally, i dont see people jumping over the borders or trying to immigrate into cuba, north korea, venezuela etc etc etc. wall streeters dont have physically demanding jobs, but neither do your liberal\socialist professors who fill your brain with a socialist utopia, or the liberal racists like al sharpton, toure, and reverend wright just to name a few dont have physically demanding jobs either, yet they reap the benefits of capitalism as they rail against it. but you liberals never protest against them. the only way to true economic equality is for everyone to have a good job, companies are afraid to hire because of all the regulations (80,000 pages under obama alone) and the 21 new taxes coming the next 2 years. Yes some people get uber rich, thats the dream of everyone, yet all you libs want more and more from everyone who works and pays taxes, but its never enough for you. Liberalism\socialism kills jobs, capitalism , when its allowed to work creates jobs, thats the history of economics, its not perfect, but its the only one that gives everyone a good standard of living compared to the rest of the world joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTARegional Bus Posted November 4, 2012 Share #361 Posted November 4, 2012 Guys please stop changing the topic, We are taking about a natural disaster here not which economic system is best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GojiMet86 Posted November 4, 2012 Share #362 Posted November 4, 2012 Guys please stop changing the topic, We are taking about a disaster here not which economic system is best. Alright, then. It's just a bit frustrating when the same people (me included) argue over this. There's no compromise, or any real look at the other side to see if their right. Honestly, I'm not going to change my opinion about this matter, and neither will Joe or Phantom909. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortline Bus Posted November 4, 2012 Share #363 Posted November 4, 2012 Guys please stop changing the topic, We are taking about a natural disaster here not which economic system is best. Thank You Regional Bus. Realizm, Phantom and others feel free to create a new topic on economic systems throughtout history which is a great topic. Please do so. From there copy & repost those excellent topics in that thread. Thus from Any extended talk on economic systems here not related to *Post Hurricane Sandy *will be delated on this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted November 5, 2012 Share #364 Posted November 5, 2012 Since hurricanes have no economic impacts: Bodies washing up in Staten Island. I bet the press wont mention it until after Election Day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortline Bus Posted November 5, 2012 Share #365 Posted November 5, 2012 Staying on political theme directly related to Sandy. A simple question? Is Global Warming the reason for Sandy? I give you two diverse views. 1)Fox News Sean Hannity Show 2)MSNBC Chris Matthews http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1h9NGysf_Y Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortline Bus Posted November 5, 2012 Share #366 Posted November 5, 2012 Since hurricanes have no economic impacts: Bodies washing up in Staten Island. I bet the press wont mention it until after Election Day. Joe one more time. It was 1 thing to talk about economic impact *briefly.* However it got way off topic and thus why i requested the topic return to general Sandy talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted November 5, 2012 Share #367 Posted November 5, 2012 Bravo. Maybe this is Obamas' Katrina. Who will be the one to claim that Obama doesn't care about white people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortline Bus Posted November 5, 2012 Share #368 Posted November 5, 2012 History Channel around 2006/'07(right after Katrina) made a special about WHAT IF on a Cat. 3 Hurricane would hit NYC. Predicition come true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted November 5, 2012 Share #369 Posted November 5, 2012 Ah yes, Professor Coch. An excellent teacher and a genius in his field. I enjoyed his classes very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom909 Posted November 5, 2012 Share #370 Posted November 5, 2012 Staying on political theme directly related to Sandy. A simple question? Is Global Warming the reason for Sandy? as i pointed out before , sandy was not caused by global warming, it was a strong cat 1 storm that followed a track that was very rare. the last recorded hurricane that followed a similar track was the 1903 vagabond hurricane which made landfall near atlantic city with similar power. thhere was flooding in the same areas that sandy flooded. hurricanes rarely make a westerly turn towards the coast as far north as those did. the 1938 long island express storm turned west a little further north and came ashore around patchogue, long island. that storm came in as a cat 3 and totally decimated the east end, it also created a breach so large its now the shinnecock inlet. it also sent floodwaters into providence, rhode island that were 20 feet high. it killed 600 people on long island and new england. as i also pointed out before, new york and long island vere severely impacted by 3 hurricanes in a 6 week period of 1954. hurricane carol at the end of august, edna mid september, and hazel mid october. hazel holds the record for the highest wind gust ever recorded in nyc, 113mph at battery park. the destruction sandy caused was the result of the storm surge, it wreaked havoc here because if you look, the coast of new jersey runs basically north\south, the coast of long island is basically east\west raratin bay and new york harbor acted like a funnel. the strongest surges o a hurricane are located in the front right quadrant of the storm,relative to the movement, so if the eye came ashore near atlantic city, all that water was pushed west into the shores and funnelled into raratin bay and the harbor, when it reached land it flooded it, simple as that. joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTARegional Bus Posted November 5, 2012 Share #371 Posted November 5, 2012 Not the to Mention a Full moon that caused the high tides which made it worse.And I believe in climate change, and I don't think sandy was the cause of climate change, I got a question we do people built houses next the beaches areas and some cases way to close to the sea?. it should be mandatory to have flood/hurricane insurance. but this was cause by the mentality that '' it will never happen in NYC'' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User Posted November 5, 2012 Share #372 Posted November 5, 2012 Around 30 people died so far, right? The U.S. death toll (the whole path that Sandy has affected) is 35. The Tri-State death toll is around 16, at last check. Terrible to hear how much the death toll has risen now. 110 people dead in the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortline Bus Posted November 5, 2012 Share #373 Posted November 5, 2012 Terrible to hear how much the death toll has risen now. 110 people dead in the US. Again not trying to downplay the death toll but without the massive media attention/evucations Pre Sandy, the death toll would been in the thousands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfs NJT459 Posted November 6, 2012 Share #374 Posted November 6, 2012 the next noreaster, Brick Twp has issued a mandatory evacuation for "all residents in the low lying waterfront prone to flooding" by Tuesday 6 pm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted November 6, 2012 Share #375 Posted November 6, 2012 While noreasters do produce flooding, low-lying areas need to be especially cautious because their natural defenses have been eliminated by Sandy. Even those inland can experience flooding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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