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On 1/19/2024 at 1:19 PM, Kamen Rider said:

dude... just because a trackway exists does not mean it needs to be used for passenger service. We use the 135 spurs all the time for non-revenue moves and storage. 

This is more about allowing (for now) emergency reroutes of the (A) and (D) (and GOs) when needed and letting those lines use the SAS when CPW is FUBAR. 

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so what you're saying our daily usage of those two tracks should be done away with for "well, we might need them to do this..."

 

No. We need them as they are now. they are important to our operations NOW. Some places need to be non-revenue trackage.

For example, those spurs are used to reverse trains just about every day, moving between the concourse line and 207 street, especially work equipment, which can wait there out of the way of the road until control can caution them and 59 can get them a clear window. 

 

You know what, right now, the next location you can turn an OOS, BO, or work train around in that will not block an active track while it waits is? Ether second Avenue on the F or the A5 spur north of Chambers Street on the A/C.  (A5 at Penn Station is currently not usable) 

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11 hours ago, Kamen Rider said:

so what you're saying our daily usage of those two tracks should be done away with for "well, we might need them to do this..."

 

No. We need them as they are now. they are important to our operations NOW. Some places need to be non-revenue trackage.

For example, those spurs are used to reverse trains just about every day, moving between the concourse line and 207 street, especially work equipment, which can wait there out of the way of the road until control can caution them and 59 can get them a clear window. 

 

You know what, right now, the next location you can turn an OOS, BO, or work train around in that will not block an active track while it waits is? Ether second Avenue on the F or the A5 spur north of Chambers Street on the A/C.  (A5 at Penn Station is currently not usable) 

And for now, most of the time they would STILL be used that way.  The point is, however, is connecting those to the SAS also allows for when needed those tracks being used to allow the (A) and (D) to run via the SAS if CPW happens to be FUBAR OR if there is a GO requiring CPW to be shut down.  

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I like how the MTA is going to use the cut and cover method in this phase, it also seems like they’ve learned a lot from the first phase, lots of great changes, the 116 Street station renderings look awesome, the exposed steel pillars are so unique in the subway system

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18 minutes ago, Chris89292 said:

I like how the MTA is going to use the cut and cover method in this phase, it also seems like they’ve learned a lot from the first phase, lots of great changes, the 116 Street station renderings look awesome, the exposed steel pillars are so unique in the subway system

That’s how most of the subway stations were built. I don’t know we overbuild now? 

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On 1/23/2024 at 2:57 PM, 7-express said:

https://new.mta.info/document/131306

Not present in slide 5 diagram, called out in slide 19.

Kinda sucks how they're not thinking in advance on this option. The bellmouth will leave them with a lot more options for the future like an expansion to the Bronx which I do think the SAS should have if they can get around to it 50-100 years.

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3 hours ago, Theli11 said:

Kinda sucks how they're not thinking in advance on this option. The bellmouth will leave them with a lot more options for the future like an expansion to the Bronx which I do think the SAS should have if they can get around to it 50-100 years.

It is unfortunate.  It's going to be like the 10th Ave station on the 7 train where they cut out even the provision for it so now any attempt to create it will score poorly on capital investment score sheets since it'll require a tremendous amount of work and interruption.

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Imo it wouldn't hurt to build a new MNR stop at Claremont Parkway and create a sort of ticket where in-city fares are something like 4 or 5 dollars. It may not have the same impact as subway service, but doing that aiming for 20-30 minute headways would bring some transit access - in many European cities you have commuter trains pick up the slack in subway deserts.

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