Jdog14 Posted January 10 Share #6151 Posted January 10 2 hours ago, imagineverything said: There is a huge opportunity to design this at a depth where it can continue under the Hudson to NJ. Any geology experts here? What are the soil conditions and bathymetry like between 125th/Broadway and Edgewater NJ Tunnel Portal (388 Old River Rd, Edgewater, NJ 07020)? What depth would the Broadway station need to be in order to continue west to NJ? This line has no business going to jersey. It would be the most logical to send it to the Bronx 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkstar8983 Posted January 10 Share #6152 Posted January 10 1 hour ago, Jdog14 said: This line has no business going to jersey. It would be the most logical to send it to the Bronx Lowering speed limit to 20MPH in NYC? is this a joke? People can barely get from point A to point B under 25MPH and 30MPH limits. We need speed limits minimally at 35-40MPH and pedestrian guard rails to prevent idiotic pedestrians from crossing WHEN THEY DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted January 10 Share #6153 Posted January 10 4 minutes ago, darkstar8983 said: Lowering speed limit to 20MPH in NYC? is this a joke? People can barely get from point A to point B under 25MPH and 30MPH limits. We need speed limits minimally at 35-40MPH and pedestrian guard rails to prevent idiotic pedestrians from crossing WHEN THEY DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY! What. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenSin Posted January 11 Author Share #6154 Posted January 11 22 hours ago, ABCDEFGJLMNQRSSSWZ said: one that tries to tie into 8th Avenue/CPW. That would be some epic trolling. After a century, the solution would be to make people around 3 Avenue walk/bus to Grand Concourse, then take the roundabout trip crosstown to St. Nicholas Avenue (8 Avenue) and back again to 2 Avenue. Moreover, because there is no Phase 3, the train just veers off course right back to the west side of Manhattan (7 Avenue) before veering east again along Broadway. “There is your solution, folks! Take it or leave it. There’s no more incentive to build the real thing now.” 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted January 11 Share #6155 Posted January 11 9 hours ago, CenSin said: That would be some epic trolling. After a century, the solution would be to make people around 3 Avenue walk/bus to Grand Concourse, then take the roundabout trip crosstown to St. Nicholas Avenue (8 Avenue) and back again to 2 Avenue. Moreover, because there is no Phase 3, the train just veers off course right back to the west side of Manhattan (7 Avenue) before veering east again along Broadway. “There is your solution, folks! Take it or leave it. There’s no more incentive to build the real thing now.” I mean, it could be used for a connection to Washington Heights and possibly Inwood, which would add a connection to 207. At the very least, it could make some non-revenue moves a bit easier. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenSin Posted January 12 Author Share #6156 Posted January 12 14 hours ago, Lex said: I mean, it could be used for a connection to Washington Heights and possibly Inwood, which would add a connection to 207. At the very least, it could make some non-revenue moves a bit easier. But its very existence would threaten the probability of building the straight tunnel to the Bronx. We’re talking about the same agency which admits a “no build” option as a viable choice in its studies. As long as a cheaper option exists, it will be the favored excuse for procrastinating on the real Bronx SAS extension. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zacster Posted January 12 Share #6157 Posted January 12 When they tore down the 3rd Ave El they left a big hole in the transit up in the Bronx. I've biked the length of the el from Gun Hill all the way down to 149th and you can feel there is something missing there. Why I was biking on 3rd Ave in The Bronx is still something I ask myself, there are a lot better places to ride even in The Bronx. But I did get a slice in Belmont! It would certainly pick the area up if there were direct transit there. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTA1992 Posted January 12 Share #6158 Posted January 12 On 1/10/2024 at 3:25 PM, darkstar8983 said: Lowering speed limit to 20MPH in NYC? is this a joke? People can barely get from point A to point B under 25MPH and 30MPH limits. We need speed limits minimally at 35-40MPH and pedestrian guard rails to prevent idiotic pedestrians from crossing WHEN THEY DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY! Tell me you haven't read a thing about speed limits without telling me you've never read a thing about speed limits. In cities, 20-25mph is considered the perfect speed limit. Not only that, but the reduction doesn't really impact travel times. What really affects that is intersection frequency and driver behavior. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted January 12 Share #6159 Posted January 12 11 hours ago, CenSin said: But its very existence would threaten the probability of building the straight tunnel to the Bronx. We’re talking about the same agency which admits a “no build” option as a viable choice in its studies. As long as a cheaper option exists, it will be the favored excuse for procrastinating on the real Bronx SAS extension. Would it, though? Unless you have evidence to the contrary, Phase 1 was not constructed to handle more than a single pair of tracks, Phase 3 is up in the air, and no maintenance facilities are planned for the alignment, which means any Phase 3/4 trains will need to come from either Coney Island (via the /, a long and arduous journey either way) or Jamaica (good luck without a complementary route!). The sheer lack of any indication that Bronx service is actually in the cards is itself rather damning. For what it's worth, if a connection to 8th Avenue ended up being built and saw regular revenue service, I wouldn't bother sending the resulting route to the Bronx. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slantfan4281 Posted January 13 Share #6160 Posted January 13 This is slightly off topic, but have they ever considered building infill stops on the Harlem Line with cheaper fares to fill the 3rd Av transit gap? Adding stops at 149th (if there is room), 169th and 183rd could help 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40 to 241st Posted January 16 Share #6161 Posted January 16 I was thinking about this proposal lately and thought of a way to handle the demand for the line in the Bronx vs across 125st. Why not have the cross 125st to meet the on the other side of 125st And have the go into the Bronx to end at Fordham but my problem is would it make more sense to put on 3rd avenue or Webster 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulturious Posted January 17 Share #6162 Posted January 17 2 hours ago, 40 to 241st said: I was thinking about this proposal lately and thought of a way to handle the demand for the line in the Bronx vs across 125st. Why not have the cross 125st to meet the on the other side of 125st And have the go into the Bronx to end at Fordham but my problem is would it make more sense to put on 3rd avenue or Webster Spoilers: You're not the first person to have suggested that, there have been hundreds of others not even on just this forum that have proposed this. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40 to 241st Posted January 17 Share #6163 Posted January 17 15 minutes ago, Vulturious said: Spoilers: You're not the first person to have suggested that, there have been hundreds of others not even on just this forum that have proposed this. Would it make more sense to put the on Third Av or Webster 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulturious Posted January 17 Share #6164 Posted January 17 1 hour ago, 40 to 241st said: Would it make more sense to put the on Third Av or Webster Personally, no. I'd rather the go into the Bronx and let the run the 125 St Crosstown service so that it can hit more subway lines. Especially considering the already has access to a lot of major areas and subway lines going through midtown Manhattan and hitting the heart of it at that. There are planned provisions from what I heard about SAS going into the Bronx. Only problem is that most of the people in charge don't really care, especially given other subway projects that have been looked at recently through the Needs Assessment report aren't even considered whether blatantly stated or subtle approach through the price. For example, the short extension for the from New Lots Av station towards Gateway Mall is $1.8 Billion. The only reason the extension was considered in the first place is because Livonia yard is planned for a reconstruction so the MTA thought to kill 2 birds with 1 stone. Normally, that's okay, but the pricing is way too extreme and yes even with the reconstruction for the yard it still is too much in my opinion. Another outragous example is the Utica Av subway which they put the cost to be nearly $16 Billion which the MTA is blatantly favoring a BRT along it instead. You're more than welcome to look at what I'm talking about here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallyhorse Posted January 19 Share #6165 Posted January 19 On 1/10/2024 at 12:48 AM, ABCDEFGJLMNQRSSSWZ said: From what I read, Hochul seemed to imply she wanted to do the Crosstown as a continuation of Phase II, which would be great, though ofc who knows what things will look like in 8-10 years; good chance it gets pushed off a bit like SAS Phase II. I will say though no real mention of Phase III of SAS - at this point crosstown extension seems like the favorite after Phase II, and while I'd love for both, I agree that Crosstown is probably more needed. I honestly think both MTA and politicians really want to avoid Phase III as much as possible because it's price tag would be absolutely insane - 6 stations in midtown Manhattan, multiple potential transfers, ect. I hope MTA will seriously consider multiple variants of the crosstown including one that ends at 8th Avenue, one that goes all the way to connect with the , and one that tries to tie into 8th Avenue/CPW. I would do it where it goes to Broadway but ALSO has a connection to the 8th Avenue line at St. Nicholas. I would be looking at potentially doing a station as suggested elsewhere where you could transfer to the at the east end and the and at the west end of a station that ends east of St. Nicholas and west of Lenox, more easily allowing for the SAS to connect using the middle tracks on 8th Avenue on each side of the six-track setup and then continue either to the Concourse or Washington Heights. This would for now be mainly for G.O.s and emergency reroutes (and also Yankee Stadium specials from/to the SAS) but would allow for permanent runs from the SAS further uptown on the west side. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamen Rider Posted January 19 Share #6166 Posted January 19 dude... just because a trackway exists does not mean it needs to be used for passenger service. We use the 135 spurs all the time for non-revenue moves and storage. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulturious Posted January 23 Share #6167 Posted January 23 https://new.mta.info/document/131306 If all is done optimally (let's be real, it won't), we could potentially see SAS Phase 2 done in the next 6 years or so. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustTheSIR Posted January 23 Share #6168 Posted January 23 3 minutes ago, Vulturious said: https://new.mta.info/document/131306 If all is done optimally (let's be real, it won't), we could potentially see SAS Phase 2 done in the next 6 years or so. Praying I’ll be alive to see the full project be finished right now 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris89292 Posted January 23 Share #6169 Posted January 23 12 hours ago, Vulturious said: https://new.mta.info/document/131306 If all is done optimally (let's be real, it won't), we could potentially see SAS Phase 2 done in the next 6 years or so. They finally realized how useless a huge station is 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7-express Posted January 23 Share #6170 Posted January 23 Notably, the bellmouth provision for a future expansion to the Bronx has been eliminated with this revision. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ale188 Posted January 23 Share #6171 Posted January 23 13 hours ago, Vulturious said: https://new.mta.info/document/131306 If all is done optimally (let's be real, it won't), we could potentially see SAS Phase 2 done in the next 6 years or so. So why don't they do it so SAS Phase 2 ca open sooner? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenSin Posted January 23 Author Share #6172 Posted January 23 3 hours ago, 7-express said: Notably, the bellmouth provision for a future expansion to the Bronx has been eliminated with this revision. Source? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zacster Posted January 23 Share #6173 Posted January 23 5 hours ago, Chris89292 said: They finally realized how useless a huge station is 72nd, 86th, and 96th are all completely overbuilt. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7-express Posted January 23 Share #6174 Posted January 23 1 hour ago, CenSin said: Source? https://new.mta.info/document/131306 Not present in slide 5 diagram, called out in slide 19. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulturious Posted January 24 Share #6175 Posted January 24 The news also caught wind of this, wonder when construction will start if they're saying the MTA is moving forward. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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