Snowblock Posted February 28, 2013 Share #176 Posted February 28, 2013 I'm willing to bet that when the reopening of South Ferry Loop station gets officially announced, NOBODY here is going to believe it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted February 28, 2013 Share #177 Posted February 28, 2013 I think the only reason the South Ferry Loop is in good condition is because of the construction back then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rr4567 Posted February 28, 2013 Share #178 Posted February 28, 2013 I think the only reason the South Ferry Loop is in good condition is because of the construction back then. It was saved because the new station served as the collection pot for all the water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenSin Posted February 28, 2013 Share #179 Posted February 28, 2013 It was saved because the new station served as the collection pot for all the water. Quite the expensive pot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewJC Posted March 1, 2013 Share #180 Posted March 1, 2013 It was saved because the new station served as the collection pot for all the water. It probably would have been saved in any case, since the water would have flowed into the Joralemon tube. I do wonder, though, if the damage to the Joralemon tube would have been more severe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted March 1, 2013 Share #181 Posted March 1, 2013 It probably would have been saved in any case, since the water would have flowed into the Joralemon tube. I do wonder, though, if the damage to the Joralemon tube would have been more severe. All of the East River tubes were flooded during Sandy, so the water that lower SF took probably would've wrecked the loop and flooded more of the tunnel. Considering that the tubes are all designed to be drained anyways, flooding the tubes and lower SF is certainly preferable than say, flooding the SF/Bowling Green loops or DeKalb or Borough Hall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewJC Posted March 1, 2013 Share #182 Posted March 1, 2013 All of the East River tubes were flooded during Sandy, so the water that lower SF took probably would've wrecked the loop and flooded more of the tunnel. Considering that the tubes are all designed to be drained anyways, flooding the tubes and lower SF is certainly preferable than say, flooding the SF/Bowling Green loops or DeKalb or Borough Hall. Without the new station's mezzanine connecting them, how would the water have gotten from South Ferry to the Montague tunnel? South Ferry has (indirect) track connections to Joralemon, not Montague. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted March 1, 2013 Share #183 Posted March 1, 2013 Without the new station's mezzanine connecting them, how would the water have gotten from South Ferry to the Montague tunnel? South Ferry has (indirect) track connections to Joralemon, not Montague. Most of Lower Manhattan was flooded. If there was no lower SF, then there would've been more water above ground that could flow into the stations and vents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itmaybeokay Posted March 1, 2013 Share #184 Posted March 1, 2013 Most of Lower Manhattan was flooded. If there was no lower SF, then there would've been more water above ground that could flow into the stations and vents. I know this isn't a fluid dynamics messageboard but - it doesn't really work like that. Imagine you have a large bin full of water resting on top of another empty bin. Punch some holes into the bottom of it, and slowly but surely the bin on bottom will fill up. But if you had these two resting on top of a third bin, and punched holes in the second bin as well, the water would flow through the middle bin without filling it up, but flood the bin on bottom. The tunnels, stations - everything that flooded - did not reduce the amount of water sitting at street level in the city. The vastness of the ocean is unimaginable - if water flows into something, there's plenty of water to replace it. So, as much water as could flow through the openings into the underground spaces did, and did as fast as it could. The loop didn't flood because the water that flowed in could flow down into the new station faster than it was coming in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amtrak7 Posted March 8, 2013 Share #185 Posted March 8, 2013 The station will reopen. IN A MONTH... http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323628804578346922530133006 The Metropolitan Transportation Authority will reopen the old station at South Ferry in the first week of April, state officials said Thursday. The move would restore subway service to the southern terminus of the No. 1 line for the first time since superstorm Sandy. Reopening the outer loop of the old South Ferry station will revive some anachronistic features the MTA thought it had relegated to the past: Its short length forced riders to walk to the front five cars of a train to exit; and metal extenders were needed to bridge gaps between the platform and the train. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MTA Bus Posted March 8, 2013 Share #186 Posted March 8, 2013 Ever since Sandy hit, every railfan has been happy in some way. Thanks to her, the old SF is coming back to service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTA1992 Posted March 8, 2013 Share #187 Posted March 8, 2013 Well, while the opportunity presents itself, I can finally get to walk in it on a daily basis, and some pictures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted March 8, 2013 Share #188 Posted March 8, 2013 The station will reopen. IN A MONTH... http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323628804578346922530133006 Good to know! And while the article may describe the negatives, the new platform, the last 5 cars weren't exactly close by either, so people were going to have to walk to the front anyway (just not on Rector anymore for the loop platform). lol, and they seem to forget the 4/5/6 sb have to deal with those gap fillers as well, and they seem fine there. With this loop platform to be connected to the new mezzanine, at least riders will have a direct connection to the R again in that area. So I don't see why people are still making it sound like a negative especially since it's only till the new one is fixed up (and god help us if another storm like Sandy hits again and the Fed just pulls the plug: 'another $500 mil? forgetaboutit.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realizm Posted March 8, 2013 Share #189 Posted March 8, 2013 Thread starter: http://www.nyctransitforums.com/forums/topic/40019-its-official-south-ferry-loop-platform-reopening-no-timeline-yet-however/?p=654884 Yep it's official as per itmaybeokay: http://www.mta.info/mta/news/releases/?en=130308-HQ1The press release goes on to state that they are building a new connection between the Loop platform and the R station at Whitehall. All of the work to return the loop to operational status is estimated to cost $2,000,000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowblock Posted March 8, 2013 Share #190 Posted March 8, 2013 Ever since Sandy hit, every railfan has been happy in some way. Thanks to her, the old SF is coming back to service. I know one railfan who won't be happy until the INNER LOOP reopens..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realizm Posted March 8, 2013 Share #191 Posted March 8, 2013 I know one railfan who won't be happy until the INNER LOOP reopens..... Well I wish that railfan good luck with that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted March 8, 2013 Share #192 Posted March 8, 2013 I know one railfan who won't be happy until the INNER LOOP reopens..... And if it did, he'll be going on about trying to connect the Franklin S to the Myrtle av portion of the M... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttcsubwayfan Posted March 8, 2013 Share #193 Posted March 8, 2013 Yup, Sandy definitely took us back in time. R42 , R46 , R62 , and now the loop. Looking forward to visiting the loop for myself in October. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R62AR33 Posted March 8, 2013 Share #194 Posted March 8, 2013 Yup, Sandy definitely took us back in time. R42 , R46 , R62 , and now the loop. Looking forward to visiting the loop for myself in October. Why October when it reopens next month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttcsubwayfan Posted March 8, 2013 Share #195 Posted March 8, 2013 Why October when it reopens next month. Look at my location. I can't easily visit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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