R32 3352 Posted February 25, 2013 Share #151 Posted February 25, 2013 Today, I rode the 5 from Bowling Green around the inner SF loop. There's clearly work being done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amtrak7 Posted February 25, 2013 Share #152 Posted February 25, 2013 According to Subchat the busing tonight is so that a room which stands in the way of the old platform-new mezzanine connection is being demolished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttcsubwayfan Posted February 25, 2013 Share #153 Posted February 25, 2013 Is it not illegal to ride the 5 around the loop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted February 25, 2013 Share #154 Posted February 25, 2013 Is it not illegal to ride the 5 around the loop? thats what I thought-then again he could work for the MTA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewJC Posted February 26, 2013 Share #155 Posted February 26, 2013 I believe 24 TPH is the limit for a two-track terminal with no tail tracks, assuming no human error and a normal turnaround time. That's usually not the case. I don't think there's a standard number that applies everywhere - it depends on the exact switch geometry, grades, speed restrictions, etc. The main benefit of the loop over a terminal with crossovers is that you don't need the train operator to walk to the back of the train, so theoretically you could turn it around as fast as a train at any standard station. The new terminal also has no tail tracks, so trains have to approach it more slowly in case the train might fail to stop and smash into the bumper blocks and/or wall. In New York, the train operator who brings the train into the terminal usually gets a short break and doesn't bring the same train back out. When headways are short, the outgoing train operator is often waiting to get on the train before it even arrives. My recollection is that the signals allowed trains to enter the new terminal at 10 mph - the same exact speed that trains are allowed to operate through the sharp curve at the loop station! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3352 Posted February 26, 2013 Share #156 Posted February 26, 2013 Is it not illegal to ride the 5 around the loop? Illegal to ride the 5 around? I've done it numerous times some of which the employees knew I was on board and never had a problem. How is it a legality issue compared to riding on the outer 1 track? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted February 26, 2013 Share #157 Posted February 26, 2013 Illegal to ride the 5 around? I've done it numerous times some of which the employees knew I was on board and never had a problem. How is it a legality issue compared to riding on the outer 1 track? that is nonrevenue track-ive seen tourists get on a thru the loop police arrested them for trespassing until they understood the tourists thought it was a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4P3607 Posted February 26, 2013 Share #158 Posted February 26, 2013 So thats what they were doing with that room, I knew they were doing something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3352 Posted February 26, 2013 Share #159 Posted February 26, 2013 that is nonrevenue track-ive seen tourists get on a thru the loop police arrested them for trespassing until they understood the tourists thought it was a By that logic, why isn't it illegal to ride the City Hall Loop. Technically, thats non-revenue track. As well as the South Ferry now. The station's still technically closed. The legality confuses me and if anything, i'll take the from now on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted February 26, 2013 Share #160 Posted February 26, 2013 Because with the and its long headways sometimes, you could be sitting there for quite some time before you actually head back uptown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drag0nflamez Posted February 26, 2013 Share #161 Posted February 26, 2013 By that logic, why isn't it illegal to ride the City Hall Loop. Technically, thats non-revenue track. As well as the South Ferry now. The station's still technically closed. The legality confuses me and if anything, i'll take the from now on...I guess they classify it as revenue track to avoid holding up other trains... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lance Posted February 26, 2013 Share #162 Posted February 26, 2013 Illegal to ride the 5 around? I've done it numerous times some of which the employees knew I was on board and never had a problem. How is it a legality issue compared to riding on the outer 1 track? It's all dependent on whether the crew knows if the train is either returning to service after looping around South Ferry or laying up on the inner tracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mediccjh Posted February 26, 2013 Share #163 Posted February 26, 2013 I'm impressed that the loop station looks like it's in good condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted February 27, 2013 Share #164 Posted February 27, 2013 I'm impressed that the loop station looks like it's in good condition. me too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttcsubwayfan Posted February 27, 2013 Share #165 Posted February 27, 2013 By that logic, why isn't it illegal to ride the City Hall Loop. Technically, thats non-revenue track. As well as the South Ferry now. The station's still technically closed. The legality confuses me and if anything, i'll take the from now on... has tight headways and they can't afford to clear out the trains before running around the loop. The only uses South Ferry Inner during evenings and weekends, when the headways can be quite long, so not only can they spend time clearing out the trains they may be in the loop for a while before returning uptown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alejr88 Posted February 27, 2013 Share #166 Posted February 27, 2013 The only time you can ride the inner loop at South Ferry is when the is sent down there. Never have went there on a ever. As for the station, thanks to R32's video I'm also surprised that the station is still in good condition. Might have gotten minor damages with Sandy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amtrak7 Posted February 27, 2013 Share #167 Posted February 27, 2013 Photo by Subchat user Wakefield-241st Street. Appears to show section of wall being prepared for demolition to create new entranceway into loop station from new mezzanine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted February 27, 2013 Share #168 Posted February 27, 2013 Out of curiosity, with the trains that go around BB-CH, they all come back in service on the other side, right? Because if it's the morning, you obviously need more trains headed downtown than uptown. Or are headways the same in both directions, and they just turn the excess trains around at 3rd Avenue-138th Street? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe C Posted February 27, 2013 Share #169 Posted February 27, 2013 Out of curiosity, with the trains that go around BB-CH, they all come back in service on the other side, right? Because if it's the morning, you obviously need more trains headed downtown than uptown. Or are headways the same in both directions, and they just turn the excess trains around at 3rd Avenue-138th Street? Yes,they come back in service on the other side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted February 27, 2013 Share #170 Posted February 27, 2013 I think some have said there are some occasions where the train skips the nb CH platform and goes to canal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IntExp Posted February 28, 2013 Share #171 Posted February 28, 2013 Trains are running via the tonight from 149-GC to Chambers....then it will go to Rector, run through the loop w/ passengers and stop at Bowling Green..... Source - http://travel.mtanyct.info/serviceadvisory/routeStatusResult.aspx?tag=2&date=2%2f27%2f2013&time=&method=getstatus4 Flatbush Av-bound trains run via the from 149 St-Grand Concourse to Franklin Av Bowling Green-bound trains run via the from 149 St-Grand Concourse to Chambers St Late Night, 11:30 PM Wed to 5 AM Thu, Feb 27 - 28 After Chambers St, trains make stops at Rector St and Bowling Green, then continue in service to Dyre Av. No Flatbush Av-bound service at Park Place, Wall St, Clark St, Hoyt St, Bergen St, Grand Army Plaza and Eastern Pkwy. Get them buckets and mops ready! Does this have anything to do w/ the work going on to reopen the loop? SubChat seems to thinks so, which is why I'm posting it here and not on the random thoughts thread.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttcsubwayfan Posted February 28, 2013 Share #172 Posted February 28, 2013 I can't imagine how the reroute would be connected to the reopening of the loop, unless if they were doing some sort of work to the inner loop (track maintenance seems sensible...) I fail to see why everyone is saying "get the buckets and mops ready"... the station will be reopened in due course, then people will be able to step onto the platform and photograph everything, instead of shooting a quick pass-by from the train's windows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted February 28, 2013 Share #173 Posted February 28, 2013 Trains are running via the tonight from 149-GC to Chambers....then it will go to Rector, run through the loop w/ passengers and stop at Bowling Green..... Source - http://travel.mtanyct.info/serviceadvisory/routeStatusResult.aspx?tag=2&date=2%2f27%2f2013&time=&method=getstatus4 Get them buckets and mops ready! Does this have anything to do w/ the work going on to reopen the loop? SubChat seems to thinks so, which is why I'm posting it here and not on the random thoughts thread.... LOL Exaclty what I said in the planned service changes thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rr4567 Posted February 28, 2013 Share #174 Posted February 28, 2013 To all the South Ferry naysayers: why you mad tho? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted February 28, 2013 Share #175 Posted February 28, 2013 See, if the politicians say open it, chances are it might happen. "Never say never". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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