Iamthe1 Posted November 2, 2010 Share #1 Posted November 2, 2010 would it be feasible to reroute the and trains so that the runs from Jamaica Center to Broad St (Chambers Street late nights only) and runs express peak direction Broadway Junction to Marcy Avenue skipping Bowery station also then have the fill in that gap by running between Broadway Junction and Bay Parkway (utilizing the old (Mx) route) making all local stops, the train could then run express peak direction Bay Parkway to 9th Avenue and the would get some help along 4th Avenue at that time. of course this is all rush hours only, the the and trains run normal. train service remains unaffected... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m7zanr160s Posted November 2, 2010 Share #2 Posted November 2, 2010 Shoot, I don't know. But I've always thought about the being all local and the being totally express, without skip/stop. After Broadway Junction it would be just 3 stops to Manhattan. That would add more frequent service at the local stations, but also more time to the commute. But maybe not, cause the headways during the rush would be shorter, if both (J)/(Z) made all stops between J. Center and Junction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IRT Bronx Express Posted November 2, 2010 Share #3 Posted November 2, 2010 Won't work. The whole point of the is to provide a quick skip stop service along with the . Make the express, it won't be the anymore, thus making it a separate line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lance25 Posted November 2, 2010 Share #4 Posted November 2, 2010 I could have sworn we've had this discussion before. The and can NOT run two different routes or the skip-stop won't work. If the starts from Eastern Parkway, then the will have to run full local from Parsons Blvd to Broadway Junction, which will lead to more crowding at the stations and on the trains. Plus, if the runs local, more people will take the , which will exacerbate the overcrowding problem on that line. Even when the (Mx) ran to south Brooklyn, the ran local on the West End. You wanna know why? It's because there is no need for express service on that line, just like the Sea Beach line. Personally, all I think Fourth Avenue needs is more service (I know about the budget issues) or perhaps a few local (N)s, but I'm not exactly sure as I don't ride that line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamen Rider Posted November 2, 2010 Share #5 Posted November 2, 2010 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova RTS 9147 Posted November 2, 2010 Share #6 Posted November 2, 2010 I could have sworn we've had this discussion before... I was thinking the exact same thing when I first saw this thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted November 2, 2010 Share #7 Posted November 2, 2010 the purpose of the Z is to speed travel on Jamaica El, which, IINM, is one of the longest sections of two track line in the system. The D has never run peak express on the west end, this would make people miserable becuase there are only a handful of Zs to begin with The and you mean, the doesn't only make a difference but the as well. I thought the whole reason a Skip Stop Service was made was to reduce the amount of passengers over crowding the train. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IRT Bronx Express Posted November 2, 2010 Share #8 Posted November 2, 2010 Unlike the failed (1)/(9) skip stop local, the (J)/(Z) is utilized very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoTimer Posted November 2, 2010 Share #9 Posted November 2, 2010 There's actually a decent sized section of skip-stop on the J/Z unlike the 1/9 where so many stations warranted both trains stopping there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted November 2, 2010 Share #10 Posted November 2, 2010 Sorry there is no need to change the and the (Z)'s configuration. If it were changed it would cause problems. Also the could be extended to Brooklyn but there is no need for a West End Express. The (Mx) didn't do that well on the West End Line and since I live by there there is no need for any express service. I find the West End Line really short so there is no need for it. Also there isn't any demand for it. The does well by itself. The only thing I agree on is giving the people on the Fourth Avenue Line more service. It doesn't have to be a extension. It could be something similar to the <R> which ran between Chambers Street and Bay Ridge-95th Street. A service like this could potentially be extended to Staten Island. It could be a brown or anything that the wants. It can't be called an <R>. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted November 3, 2010 Share #11 Posted November 3, 2010 Sorry there is no need to change the and the (Z)'s configuration. If it were changed it would cause problems. Also the could be extended to Brooklyn but there is no need for a West End Express. The (Mx) didn't do that well on the West End Line and since I live by there there is no need for any express service. I find the West End Line really short so there is no need for it. Also there isn't any demand for it. The does well by itself. The only thing I agree on is giving the people on the Fourth Avenue Line more service. It doesn't have to be a extension. It could be something similar to the <R> which ran between Chambers Street and Bay Ridge-95th Street. A service like this could potentially be extended to Staten Island. It could be a brown or anything that the wants. It can't be called an <R>. The could be extended to Brooklyn???:confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted November 3, 2010 Share #12 Posted November 3, 2010 Well not now due to the (MTA)'s budget but someday I am sure the (Mx) service would be replaced by the or of something similar to the brown <R>. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted November 3, 2010 Share #13 Posted November 3, 2010 Well not now due to the (MTA)'s budget but someday I am sure the (Mx) service would be replaced by the or of something similar to the brown <R>. I'm confused as to what you are saying. The already runs through Brooklyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted November 3, 2010 Share #14 Posted November 3, 2010 Down Fourth Avenue along with the , , and that is what I meant. So it would be , , , or , , , brown . The brown replicating the brown <R> service of 1988 from Chambers Street to Bay Ridge-95th St. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IRT Bronx Express Posted November 3, 2010 Share #15 Posted November 3, 2010 I'm confused as to what you are saying. The already runs through Brooklyn.The OP is suggesting that the should run via the West End Line. Should that ever happen (trust me, it won't), then the whole point of the (J)/(Z) Skip Stop in Jamaica is defeated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted November 3, 2010 Share #16 Posted November 3, 2010 Oh so what about a brown replicating the <R> from 1988 running between Chambers Street and Bay Ridge-95th Street. Another solution is to revert the Doomsday 2010 budget cuts in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lance25 Posted November 3, 2010 Share #17 Posted November 3, 2010 Good luck trying to get the back to Nassau St. Ridgewood and Bushwick will fight the tooth and nail to keep their one seat ride to Midtown. Like I said previously, all Fourth Avenue needs is more service (or local (N)s), not an entirely new line. Also, if I recall correctly, the West End doesn't really need two lines serving it, case and point, the (Mx) were nearly empty east of 9 Av. Slightly off topic: @Roadcruiser1: When making a suggestion or trying to make a point about something, please separate your thoughts with paragraphs or at least decent spacing. Reading that mess of text is hard on people's eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenSin Posted November 3, 2010 Share #18 Posted November 3, 2010 I've also noticed Roadcruiser's posts always inexplicably lead to building extensions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilbluefoxie Posted November 3, 2010 Share #19 Posted November 3, 2010 How about stuff stays as is? Seems that a lot of problems would be solved by just slightly more frequent service Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamen Rider Posted November 3, 2010 Share #20 Posted November 3, 2010 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m7zanr160s Posted November 3, 2010 Share #21 Posted November 3, 2010 A making all local stops beats an express to downtown Manhattan, under normal circumstances. I tried to beat someone to a point by riding the over the ; it didn't work. What's that saying, again: The shortest distance between two points is a straight line...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IRT Bronx Express Posted November 3, 2010 Share #22 Posted November 3, 2010 If the EVER makes a return as a rush hour only service, then it'll be useful if it helps out the 4th Avenue line in Brooklyn. There's no need to give a former/existing letter a new color, and the is an excellent example. Revive an old route and make it useful within reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Law Posted November 3, 2010 Share #23 Posted November 3, 2010 You mean when CIY sends a consist for use on the , they would make it run as Sea Beach local and 4th Av local? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoTimer Posted November 3, 2010 Share #24 Posted November 3, 2010 A service like this could potentially be extended to Staten Island. It could be a brown or anything that the wants. It can't be called an <R>. Losing all credibility right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted November 4, 2010 Share #25 Posted November 4, 2010 You mean when CIY sends a consist for use on the , they would make it run as Sea Beach local and 4th Av local? Those were the extra (W)s that weren't layed up at City Hall. It was the first 4 in the morning that started at 86 St and the last 4 that went to Kings Hwy Now back to the topic at hand, all 4 Av needs is about 1 or 2 extra trains as put-ins (given the current capacity) and it'll be fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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