DJ MC Posted August 22, 2011 Share #51 Posted August 22, 2011 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbanfortitude Posted August 22, 2011 Share #52 Posted August 22, 2011 Eh, gets me to point B just like any other subway car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KTrainExp Posted August 22, 2011 Share #53 Posted August 22, 2011 As far as I'm concerned, the R160's may well turn out to be the worst cars ever purchased by the TA. I hate their screechy brakes and uncomfortable bench seats. I would be shocked if they lasted 30 years, let alone 40 or 50. Pure garbage. Gerald I'm curious as to what your favorite subway car is. _______ There may be minor flaws such as malfunctioning screens, but I find the 160s to be a much more smoother ride compared to the other 60 footers. On well maintained 160s, they don't feature that powerful jerk once the trains leaves the station leaving a much smoother ride. Those blue lights they added makes the train look very modern. I can't see these cars lasting 100 years, but definitely around a few decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ MC Posted August 22, 2011 Share #54 Posted August 22, 2011 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Louis Car 09 Posted August 22, 2011 Share #55 Posted August 22, 2011 Personally I like em (For some reason the Alstom version in particular) They are fast and utilized the shape of the R44-R68A's.My only quip about them is that they replace some damn good rail equipment.The Legendary R32 (Most of them) The fast R38s,The innovative R40 slants,R40Ms and most R42's.The NTT's make the subway system look more Uniformed and somewhat takes away some railfanning excitement.Technologically they are great!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted August 22, 2011 Share #56 Posted August 22, 2011 I am neutral with the R160. I am not obsessed with it, nor do I hate it. The thing I find impressive was the workmanship to build the R160. Almost the entire train car was built by hand, or machines that required hands. I would like to see some of us railfans try to build an entire train car by hand. I can't do it can you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdog14 Posted August 23, 2011 Share #57 Posted August 23, 2011 I am neutral with the R160. I am not obsessed with it, nor do I hate it. The thing I find impressive was the workmanship to build the R160. Almost the entire train car was built by hand, or machines that required hands. I would like to see some of us railfans try to build an entire train car by hand. I can't do it can you? I can't even start..lol:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JubaionBx12+SBS Posted August 23, 2011 Share #58 Posted August 23, 2011 Can someone close this thread? Most posters are either obsessed with them or hate them for a silly reason. This 'foamer' chatter can only last so long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Louis Car 09 Posted August 23, 2011 Share #59 Posted August 23, 2011 I am neutral with the R160. I am not obsessed with it, nor do I hate it. The thing I find impressive was the workmanship to build the R160. Almost the entire train car was built by hand, or machines that required hands. I would like to see some of us railfans try to build an entire train car by hand. I can't do it can you? Only The R160A was built like that at the Alstom facility in San Paolo Brazil facility. on the episode of How its made, they showed the R160A being hand made in Brazil then the second part of the episode was at the Hornell NY facility where the final components and completion was installed.Im sure Kawasaki used many gadgets and cool machines to make their version( R160B). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4P3607 Posted August 23, 2011 Share #60 Posted August 23, 2011 I like the R160B Seimens. Its that Alstom propulsion that gives me a headache. Also the Seimens seem to be faster and their FIND's don't seem to get messed up like the Alstom cars. p.s. (if this hasn't been posted already)... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePnN8gp1Nc4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Up Front Posted August 24, 2011 Share #61 Posted August 24, 2011 I hate the automated announcements, the annoying Alstom propulsion (Siemens is awesome, however) and how bland they are compared to the SMEE stock. I went out to 5th/53rd one day on the from Union Turnpike and found standing from there to the 63rd Street Tunnel more comfortable than sitting on those bench seats from the end of the tunnel to 5th Avenue. The only parts of the R160s I like are the Bombardier door motors which are similar to the ones on the LIRR M7s. That A/C is more like being coughed on by a small animal. I was on the that one day in March that it broke 75 degrees and it never got ice cold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYCTNostalgia Posted August 24, 2011 Share #62 Posted August 24, 2011 I love them. I love the NTT's! I wish they has some on the ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoking66 Posted August 24, 2011 Share #63 Posted August 24, 2011 I hate the automated announcements, the annoying Alstom propulsion (Siemens is awesome, however) and how bland they are compared to the SMEE stock. I went out to 5th/53rd one day on the from Union Turnpike and found standing from there to the 63rd Street Tunnel more comfortable than sitting on those bench seats from the end of the tunnel to 5th Avenue. You just love squishing into that odd transverse seat that knocks into the longitudinal one, then having to ask someone to move so you can get out, all while trying to get comfortable in that weird bucket seat, don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
error46146 Posted August 24, 2011 Share #64 Posted August 24, 2011 I'm sure you all should know how much I absolutely can't stand the R160's by now so I'll save you guys that... Ever wondered about this though- 10 years later when the plastic front ends of the R160's start falling off, the TOD's start getting blue screens of death and it's time to retire them prematurely, how are we going to get over 1,000 new subway cars again? Biggest mistake MTA ever made. Not because the fact they are so inferior, but the ridiculous quantity the MTA ordered them in. Just my 2 cents..now time to run before I get attacked with foam lolol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted August 24, 2011 Share #65 Posted August 24, 2011 warmed up? I never had any disdain towards the trainset to begin with.... R160's are cool by me.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Up Front Posted August 24, 2011 Share #66 Posted August 24, 2011 You just love squishing into that odd transverse seat that knocks into the longitudinal one, then having to ask someone to move so you can get out, all while trying to get comfortable in that weird bucket seat, don't you? No, because I sit on the outer seat and ask if people want to sit in the seat next to me, then get up and sit back down if said person takes it. Same goes when I ride a bus. Otherwise, I'm standing. That one time I took the , that R46 was starting to get crowded so I stood up. And when I took the from Atlantic Terminal to 34th, I had a seat the entire way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokkemon Posted August 24, 2011 Share #67 Posted August 24, 2011 I'm sure you all should know how much I absolutely can't stand the R160's by now so I'll save you guys that... Ever wondered about this though- 10 years later when the plastic front ends of the R160's start falling off, the TOD's start getting blue screens of death and it's time to retire them prematurely, how are we going to get over 1,000 new subway cars again? Biggest mistake MTA ever made. Not because the fact they are so inferior, but the ridiculous quantity the MTA ordered them in. Just my 2 cents..now time to run before I get attacked with foam lolol I highly doubt they're plastic (they aren't), and I even more highly doubt the system runs on Windows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lance25 Posted August 24, 2011 Share #68 Posted August 24, 2011 I'm sure you all should know how much I absolutely can't stand the R160's by now so I'll save you guys that... Ever wondered about this though- 10 years later when the plastic front ends of the R160's start falling off, the TOD's start getting blue screens of death and it's time to retire them prematurely, how are we going to get over 1,000 new subway cars again? Biggest mistake MTA ever made. Not because the fact they are so inferior, but the ridiculous quantity the MTA ordered them in. Just my 2 cents..now time to run before I get attacked with foam lolol 1) If the R160s had to be retired within ten years of service, I'm sure Kawasaki and Alstom would be facing serious problems not only from the , but also the federal government since they pay part of the cost for these trains. 2) Concerning the computers, do you really think they're gonna keep the same computers and operating systems on the trains for their entire lifespan? That's ridiculous. For starters, computing software has a nominal lifespan of only a few years before it becomes outdated. That's why the FINDs are already outdated. Second, as hardware becomes smaller and more efficient, the will have no choice but to eventually replace the aging parts of the trains. That's just a fact of life. It doesn't mean the trains are inherently flawed, however. 3) Would you have rather the purchase several orders of cars at gradually increasing costs or one large order at the same price? Either way, the plan was to retire all car classes from the R32s to the R42s, so they needed all those cars. Regardless of what actually came to be, they still needed all 1700 cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QM1to6Ave Posted August 24, 2011 Share #69 Posted August 24, 2011 I highly doubt they're plastic (they aren't), and I even more highly doubt the system runs on Windows. It runs windows, and so do the MVM's. if you have ever watched them repair the screens of MVM's and re-boot them, you will see the windows icon appear. I think they run some ridiculously old version of WIndows, like 98 or something, but I forget which exact version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Louis Car 09 Posted August 24, 2011 Share #70 Posted August 24, 2011 It runs windows, and so do the MVM's. if you have ever watched them repair the screens of MVM's and re-boot them, you will see the windows icon appear. I think they run some ridiculously old version of WIndows, like 98 or something, but I forget which exact version. I heard it runs on something like Windows NT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailBus63 Posted August 24, 2011 Share #71 Posted August 24, 2011 As new cars go, I like the R160’s well enough. They are generally comfortable to ride in and are reliable. I don’t get the hate about the bench seats – they are no different than the classic subway bench seats of yesteryear and much better than bucket seats in my opinion. Brakes are a bit screechy, but the propulsion noises don’t bother me (I don’t really notice them after a while). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
error46146 Posted August 24, 2011 Share #72 Posted August 24, 2011 the MTA uses Windows NT 4.0 on the metrocard machines. not 100% sure what they use on the trains but it's probably similar. replacing hardware and upgrading software on the trains will only add to maintenance costs. the MTA should have used a custom modified version of linux imo. the R160 warranties don't last forever; as far as I understand once the warranties run out then kawasaki/alstom won't be responsible for the costs of repair and whatnot. the trains won't cost so much $$$ if the MTA doesn't order them with such extravagant features. they don't need to run Windows on the trains, they don't need those steel interior end walls and window trims, don't need 3 passenger intercoms for each car, don't need CBTC, don't need cab radios, the list goes on and on. and like i said what happens when it's time to retire the R160 fleet...where is the MTA going to get the $$$ to buy so many cars to replace them all at once? unless if they get smart and phase them out slowly, they'll be stuck in the cycle of buying thousands of cars at once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattTrain Posted August 24, 2011 Share #73 Posted August 24, 2011 I've been liking the R-160s since day one of passenger service. R-160B siemens I like a lot, especially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ MC Posted August 25, 2011 Share #74 Posted August 25, 2011 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIP Posted August 25, 2011 Share #75 Posted August 25, 2011 Im not too Crazy about the R160's but they are Fast. New, Reliable, New, Automated, New, bright, and NEW. i cant stress "New" enough. I dont think the Average rider cares what Computer system is used or could care less whether its carbon steel or stainless steel or if the interiors look like hospitals. have these cars to accomadate the Average subway rider, NOT railfans or railbuffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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