Amtrak7 Posted October 1, 2011 Share #1 Posted October 1, 2011 No trains between Manhattan and Brooklyn Trains replace the in the Bronx and Brooklyn Weekend, 12:01 AM Sat to 5 AM Mon, Oct 15 - 17 • Oct 22 - 24 • Oct 29 - 31 service operates as follows: • Between the Dyre Av Station and E 180 St • Between E 180 St and 34 St-Penn Station (regular service) • Between 34 St-Penn Station and the South Ferry Station, making all local stops service operates as follows: • Between the 241 St Station and E 180 St • Between E 180 St and Flatbush Av, making express stops Combine with: -No north of Prospect Park Oct 16 -No TSQ-QBP Oct 28 Ugh! It also appears the trains are running in 3 sections, which they're not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted October 1, 2011 Share #2 Posted October 1, 2011 via Dyre Avenue, via the entire White Plains Road Line??? Talk about mind-boggling! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amtrak7 Posted October 1, 2011 Author Share #3 Posted October 1, 2011 We've seen to 241 and to SF before, but I've never seen to Dyre (when the was to 241, there was a Dyre shuttle). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lance25 Posted October 1, 2011 Share #4 Posted October 1, 2011 I don't think that could've been worded any worse if they tried. If I was typing these service changes up, I would've worded it as such: trains operates on the line between Dyre Av and E 180 St, then resume normal service through 34 St-Penn Station. After 34 St, trains run local through Chambers St, then continue via the line to South Ferry, the last stop. trains operate via the line from Wakefield-241 St to E 180 St, then resume regular service through Bowling Green. trains are also extended to Flatbush Av to replace trains in Brooklyn. For continuing service to/from stations north of E 180 St, transfer between the and trains at E 180 St. Sometimes, wording is the key to understanding what's going on, and I don't believe they got this one right. Like Amtrak7 said, the way it's worded makes it seem like there are three different trains and two different trains running on those three weekends. As to the G.O. itself, if I'm not mistaken, it's been almost ten years since the last time this switcheroo popped up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
error46146 Posted October 1, 2011 Share #5 Posted October 1, 2011 This is an eastchester-dyre ave bound 2 train via the 5 line... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2 Train Master Posted October 1, 2011 Share #6 Posted October 1, 2011 Doesn't make anysense to me but 1 thing I think I know why the will be via Dyre to eliminate a possible btwn East 180th and Dyre. To Wakefield is awesome though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lance25 Posted October 1, 2011 Share #7 Posted October 1, 2011 I just realized something: this service change is essentially the via 7th Ave to South Ferry and the via Lexington Ave. I assume this will be in place because Dyre Av to South Ferry is almost the same distance as Dyre Av to Bowling Green as well as keep operating costs down. During those weekends, those (5)s will be using line equipment and crews and vice-versa for the (2)s. Also, instead of running two shuttles (Dyre Ave and Flatbush to Atlantic Avs) as they have done, they can run through service to Flatbush Av during the overnight hours as well as service from Dyre to Manhattan. Interestingly, this can be seen as a temporary service improvement since for those three weekends, riders won't have to take three different trains to get to Manhattan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quill Depot Posted October 2, 2011 Share #8 Posted October 2, 2011 Wow!! Talk about ????! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted October 2, 2011 Share #9 Posted October 2, 2011 Wow!! Talk about ????! wtf? Talk some sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R188 7857 Posted October 2, 2011 Share #10 Posted October 2, 2011 This is an eastchester-dyre ave bound 2 train via the 5 line... The next and last stop is....eastchester-dyre ave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abba Posted October 2, 2011 Share #11 Posted October 2, 2011 So this could mean the first time ever that I can recall with two express trains in Brooklyn on a weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted October 2, 2011 Share #12 Posted October 2, 2011 This G/o makes no sense, why reroute the to 241st and the via Dyre? If there is work on the Dyre, they would use the instead. E 180 St• Between E 180 St and Flatbush Av, making express stops Express stops? So im guessing ether way will run express from 180th to Mott? Im gonna guess then there maybe some work around the Unionport Yard. via Unionport Yard track and via WPR Exp M track.. But still doesn't make any sense.. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Also there is NO announcements for the Dyre Avenue bound nor signs. Unless its been added. Last g/o for to Dyre was in 2007 or 2008 (if i can remember) and there was no announcements. They may just put up 180th Bound . (Edit seems like there is as per comments below) And the to South Ferry is nothing new B)! via Dyre Avenue, via the entire White Plains Road Line??? Talk about mind-boggling! STOP ALL! You should know that weekday peak the runs all the way to 238th WPR lol.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoTimer Posted October 2, 2011 Share #13 Posted October 2, 2011 I saw a program in the computer for the to Dyre back in my IRT days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted October 2, 2011 Share #14 Posted October 2, 2011 I saw a program in the computer for the to Dyre back in my IRT days. Well i guess most C/Rs dont know the program for the Dyre and would use the 180th instead. But thanks for the correction! Gotta check this out when it comes in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted October 2, 2011 Share #15 Posted October 2, 2011 There's a program for 2 to Dyre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princelex Posted October 2, 2011 Share #16 Posted October 2, 2011 That will be very interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R33WF Posted October 2, 2011 Share #17 Posted October 2, 2011 Also there is NO announcements for the Dyre Avenue bound nor signs. Unless its been added. Last g/o for to Dyre was in 2007 or 2008 (if i can remember) and there was no announcements. They may just put up 180th Bound . Not true just look here http://www.nyctransitforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32304 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted October 2, 2011 Share #18 Posted October 2, 2011 I just realized something: this service change is essentially the via 7th Ave to South Ferry and the via Lexington Ave. I assume this will be in place because Dyre Av to South Ferry is almost the same distance as Dyre Av to Bowling Green as well as keep operating costs down. During those weekends, those (5)s will be using line equipment and crews and vice-versa for the (2)s. Also, instead of running two shuttles (Dyre Ave and Flatbush to Atlantic Avs) as they have done, they can run through service to Flatbush Av during the overnight hours as well as service from Dyre to Manhattan. Interestingly, this can be seen as a temporary service improvement since for those three weekends, riders won't have to take three different trains to get to Manhattan. Interesting. they usually favor the outer full time branch line as defining the route marker, and are willing to swap the trunk routes. I always thought it would be better to keep the lines on the trunks, and swap the outer routes, but figured they probably did it the other way for familiarity of the routes in the home communities rather than the CBD. So I'm surprised they did it this way for a change. Probably should have done it this way during the Lenox rehab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious2train Posted October 2, 2011 Share #19 Posted October 2, 2011 So right after two weeks of the shuttle bus, we're gonna be having three weeks of the train. But that's OK, it's gonna be pretty cool having the back on Weekends. I do wonder if the really will run through service at night or if they're just gonna run the shuttles again. Also, lance has a point: the this weekend is just the via Lexington Av, so why not label it as such? Geez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lance25 Posted October 2, 2011 Share #20 Posted October 2, 2011 People are morons. They won't understand why the is running on Lexington Ave or the to South Ferry via 7th Ave, even though the (2)/(5) flip-flop occurs so often it might as well be in the schedule. These folks will let several (2)s on Lexington or (5)s on 7th roll past simply because it's not the train they're looking for, even if it's going exactly where they need to go. They'll probably understand extending the to Brooklyn to replace the though, even at the expense of north WPR or Dyre riders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sovetskii52 Posted October 2, 2011 Share #21 Posted October 2, 2011 This is happening for 3 weekends in a row. Cool. I am relying on some of you guys to record videos of this change since i won't be in NYC for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayRat1978 Posted October 2, 2011 Share #22 Posted October 2, 2011 So I assume there's shuttle bus service bet E 180 & 241? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lance25 Posted October 2, 2011 Share #23 Posted October 2, 2011 Nope. The will be running to 241 St. trains operate on the line between Dyre Av and E 180 St, then resume normal service through 34 St-Penn Station. After 34 St, trains run local through Chambers St, then continue via the line to South Ferry, the last stop. trains operate via the line from Wakefield-241 St to E 180 St, then resume regular service through Bowling Green. trains are also extended to Flatbush Av to replace trains in Brooklyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted October 2, 2011 Share #24 Posted October 2, 2011 Not true just look herehttp://www.nyctransitforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32304 I already got the ans from Twotimer / SubwayGuy if u noticed. But i still dont get why theres a swap in routing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeGerald Posted October 3, 2011 Share #25 Posted October 3, 2011 Transit folks who have an understanding of transit history WILL KNOW that sending #2 trains is Dyre Avenue is not some strange never occurring event, but the actual pattern of the #2 train in the late 1950's and early 1960's when the Dyre Avenue was first connected to the White Plains Road line. Transit folks who have any understanding of transit history WILL KNOW that having #5 trains traveling to/from 241st Street-WPR is not some strange never occuring event, but is a return to the actual pattern of #5 trains prior to 1965 when the #5 was the basic all-time everyday service on the WPR line for decades. This has also been a rush hour pattern of the #5 train for more a decade now, except for one station. Having #2 trains from the westside traveling to/from South Ferry was a pattern of weekend #2 service. This is an interesting but predictable G.O. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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