official Subway - What If?

[Threxx]

(4)/(5) operate in two sections each:

runs Dyre Avenue-149th Street (center track of level) and from 86th Street via normal route until end of Brooklyn service. For Brooklyn, transfer to at any stop between 180th-149th Streets, otherwise transfer to at 149th Street and then at 125th, transferring back to or at 86th Street.

 

How is the going to get from the platforms to the platforms at 149th Street?

[RookiePhenom]

(4)/(5) operate in two sections each:

 

runs 125th-Woodlawn and from 86th Street via normal route. Transfer to at 125th Street and back to at 86th OR for Brooklyn, transfer to at 161st Street and back to (or to (2)/(3)/(5)) at Atlantic-Pacific. Late nights, runs normal local service via Lexington line.

 

runs Dyre Avenue-149th Street (center track of level) and from 86th Street via normal route until end of Brooklyn service. For Brooklyn, transfer to at any stop between 180th-149th Streets, otherwise transfer to at 149th Street and then at 125th, transferring back to or at 86th Street.

 

Send the via the or

just shuttle the to 180th, and normal service should then run every 20 minutes between 86th and Brooklyn.

[Wallyhorse]

How is the going to get from the platforms to the platforms at 149th Street?

 

You're right. For some reason, I thought the had access to the Woodlawn level at 149 for the Bronx (what I get for doing this when I was tired).

 

Here's a revised version:

 

(4)/(5) operate in two sections each:

 

runs 125th-Woodlawn and from 86th Street via normal route. Transfer to at 125th Street and back to at 86th OR for Brooklyn, transfer to (;)/(D) at 161st Street and back to the (or to the 2/3/5) at Atlantic-Pacific. Late nights, runs normal local service via Lexington line, though this may begin earlier with some Manhattan-bound service terminating at 3rd Avenue in the Bronx if necessary to accommodate the running local earlier.

 

Select trains run via the while other trains run from 86th Street in Manhattan via normal route until end of Brooklyn service, though some Manhattan-bound trains will terminate at 149th or 180th Street in the Bronx OR in Manhattan with the at 125th. For Brooklyn, if the is NOT running via the , transfer to at any stop between 180th-149th Streets, otherwise transfer to at 149th Street and then at 125th (or directly at 125 if is running there), transferring back to or at 86th Street.

Edited March 14, 2012 by Wallyhorse

[2 Train Master]

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Lex Express tracks closed at 110 St. Assume no extra trains can run on the local track.

Provide as much extra service as possible.

trains run regular Bronx and Brooklyn Service but local in Manhattan from 125th to 42nd St and regular service south.

trains run between Dyre and Flatbush via 7th Av Line some trains will run via Local.

runs between Pelham Bay Park and 125th St(section 1) And Bowling Green to 86th St via Express.(Section 2)

 

4 trains make local stops for loss of local service.

[NX Express]

42 St will be chaos with and trains. That's at least 40 tph.

[Wallyhorse]

trains run regular Bronx and Brooklyn Service but local in Manhattan from 125th to 42nd St and regular service south.

trains run between Dyre and Flatbush via 7th Av Line some trains will run via Local.

runs between Pelham Bay Park and 125th St(section 1) And Bowling Green to 86th St via Express.(Section 2)

 

4 trains make local stops for loss of local service.

 

In that scenario, there would be no service beyond 125th. and would both be locals with some (5)s diverted to the .

 

Next up:

 

A derailment at Kingston-Throop with cars spread over all four tracks has knocked out and service between Jay Street and Broadway Junction. In addition, the is out north of Broadway Junction due to CBTC problems north of there towards Manhattan and the the platforms at Broadway Junction can't be used either due to stalled trains on both tracks.

[BM5 via Woodhaven]

In that scenario, there would be no service beyond 125th. and would both be locals with some (5)s diverted to the .

 

Next up:

 

A derailment at Kingston-Throop with cars spread over all four tracks has knocked out and service between Jay Street and Broadway Junction. In addition, the is out north of Broadway Junction due to CBTC problems north of there towards Manhattan and the the platforms at Broadway Junction can't be used either due to stalled trains on both tracks.

 

terminates at Church Avenue.

terminates at 2 Avenue

every other train is suspended

every 20 trains is extended to Coney Island

runs from Rockaway Park to Far Rockaway, then to Broadway Junction then to Lefferys Blvd

suspended. Use the L shuttle bus to the

every 10 train runs to Forest Hills

[FamousNYLover]

 

Next up:

 

A derailment at Kingston-Throop with cars spread over all four tracks has knocked out and service between Jay Street and Broadway Junction. In addition, the is out north of Broadway Junction due to CBTC problems north of there towards Manhattan and the the platforms at Broadway Junction can't be used either due to stalled trains on both tracks.

 

For my version.

: Operates in 2 sections.

1. Between 207th St & Jay St-MetroTech via local.

2. Between Broadway Junction & Ozone Park/Far Rockaway via local.

: Service suspended.

Shuttle buses operate as follows.

Local shuttle buses make all stops between Jay St-MetroTech and Broadway Junction.

Express Shuttle Bus serve Jay St, Hoyt-Schermerhorn, Nostrand, Utica Av & Broadway Junction only.

: Rush hour skip stop and express suspended. Trains operate local in either direction. Trains terminate at Broad St until further notice.

: Service suspended.

Shuttle buses run as follows.

1. Local shuttle bus and B42 between Rockaway Parkway & Broadway-Junction.

2. Local shuttle bus between Broadway Junction & Bedford Av.

3. Local shuttle bus serves Lorimer St-Metropolitan Av, Bedford Av and Hewes St.

Avs, Lorimer St-Metropolitan Av and Bedford Av station only.

4. Crosstown shuttle bus operates between Delancey-Essex St & Abindon Sq via (M14A)

B42 extend to Broadway Junction during this time, making shuttle bus stops.

: Operates to Queens Plaza/Forest Hills until further notice.

Ask NICE bus to assist with subway shuttle bus during these time.

LIRR provide extra train service between Atlantic Terminal and Jamaica during this time.

Trains will cross MetroCard passengers.

Edited March 14, 2012 by FamousNYLover
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[NX Express]

@Yuki: all of New York doesn't have enough buses to cover a rush-hour shutdown, let alone the all at once.

[Gorgor]

Next up:

 

A derailment at Kingston-Throop with cars spread over all four tracks has knocked out and service between Jay Street and Broadway Junction. In addition, the is out north of Broadway Junction due to CBTC problems north of there towards Manhattan and the the platforms at Broadway Junction can't be used either due to stalled trains on both tracks.

 

Your post is quite vague.

 

Are trains unable to use the Broadway Junction and Jay Street stops, or just not travel in between them? Are trains unaffected at Jay Street?

 

And what does trains out north of Broadway Junction mean? No trains can travel between 14th/8th and Broadway Junction?

 

Anyways...

- Two sections: 207th to WTC LOCAL; Euclid Ave to Lefferts/Rockaways

- Suspended

- Runs between Atlantic Ave and Canarsie ONLY

 

Free shuttle bus:

Myrtle Ave to Bedford Ave to Marcy Ave

[Wallyhorse]

Your post is quite vague.

 

Are trains unable to use the Broadway Junction and Jay Street stops, or just not travel in between them? Are trains unaffected at Jay Street?

 

And what does trains out north of Broadway Junction mean? No trains can travel between 14th/8th and Broadway Junction?

 

Anyways...

- Two sections: 207th to WTC LOCAL; Euclid Ave to Lefferts/Rockaways

- Suspended

- Runs between Atlantic Ave and Canarsie ONLY

 

Free shuttle bus:

Myrtle Ave to Bedford Ave to Marcy Ave

 

Sorry about being vague, my version meant 8th Avenue/Fulton service had to run to Jay Street and Broadway Junction.

 

Anyway, here's how I would do it:

 

in Manhattan runs normal to Jay Street. If necessary, select Manahattan-based (A)s continue to Kings Highway via Culver Express. Those to/from Broadway Junction operate as normal from there, however, the Rockaway Park is extended to Euclid Avenue.

 

runs normal to West 4th, then breaks from the 8th Avenue Line and runs via the and then to Broadway Junction. For Spring Street, transfer to the somewhere between 50th and West 4th.

 

runs normal

 

Operates only between Rockaway Park and Atlantic Avenue. Overnight (when the is not running), the operates to the platform at Broadway Junction.

 

Shuttle buses operate as follows:

1. For the between Jay Street and Broadway Junction.

2. For the between Atlantic Avenue (Broadway Junction overnights) and Bedford Avenue

 

There is a free out-of-system paper transfer between the Hewes Street (J)/(M) and Broadway stations during this interruption.

To/from Broadway Junction

[NX Express]

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line is closed at Gates Av.

Challenge: make it so that passengers who would normally have a one-seat ride only have to transfer twice (not 3 times) to go from a at B'way Jct to a at Myrtle Av.

 

Hints: forget about the , and tweak the a bit.

[2 Train Master]

In that scenario, there would be no service beyond 125th. and would both be locals with some (5)s diverted to the .

 

Did you not read what exactly I said.

runs between 125th and Pelham Bay Park (Section 1)

runs between Bowling Green and 86th St (Section 2) Express only 8 trains in each direction required

trains run local via Lex Local from 125th to Brooklyn Bridge

for Bronx Pelham service passengers can take the at 86th for the train to 125th.

And I stated the will run via 7th Av

[Gorgor]

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line is closed at Gates Av.

Challenge: make it so that passengers who would normally have a one-seat ride only have to transfer twice (not 3 times) to go from a at B'way Jct to a at Myrtle Av.

 

Hints: forget about the , and tweak the a bit.

 

trains run in two sections:

Broad Street to Metropolitan Ave (via the )

Broadway Junction to Jamaica Center

 

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The Lower Level at 7th Ave/53rd Street is closed and impassible. (Queensbound and Uptown ()

[NX Express]

Queens-bound trains run via the from West 4 St to 5 Av/53 St.

Trains run via 8 Av Local and then replace the ( from 59 St to 205 St. Downtown, trains run via after 59 St instead of via 8 Av Local.

No trains between W4 and 205 St.

Trains run via the to 57/7.

 

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Canal St (B'way) Bridge Level closed. Also, a problem at Whitehall St means that only the middle track can be used.

[Gorgor]

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Canal St (B'way) Bridge Level closed. Also, a problem at Whitehall St means that only the middle track can be used.

 

runs in two sections:

Astoria to Whitehall Street via LOCAL

Pacific Street to Coney Island via EXPRESS

 

suspended

 

runs in two sections:

Forest Hills to Whitehall Street

Lawrence Street to Bay Ridge

 

frequencies reduced so that Whitehall Street can handle both services at once.

 

stops at DeKalb Avenue, runs via 4th Avenue LOCAL

 

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Express tracks at 42nd Street ( are out of service. Reroute trains in such a way that it will create the least confusion to the average commuter.

[Abba]

I don't mean to change the topic but is there a way to get to the main subway forum page?

[NX Express]

( Suspended

No trains between W4 and 59 Sts.

 

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8 Av Local uptown track closed at 23 St. Reroute service such that no services are suspended or in-two-sectioned. Also, no to Broad.

 

@Abba: click on 'NYC Subway' where the path to the thread is shown.

[Gorgor]

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8 Av Local uptown track closed at 23 St. Reroute service such that no services are suspended or in-two-sectioned. Also, no to Broad.

 

Uptown trains run EXPRESS between Chambers Street and 34th Street

Uptown trains run via 6th Avenue between W 4th Street and 53rd Street/5th Avenue

 

6th Avenue can accommodate the like when there's been previous emergency reroutes during the height of rush hour.

 

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The two middle tracks at Jay Street ( trains) are out of service.

[Abba]

runs in two sections:

Astoria to Whitehall Street via LOCAL

Pacific Street to Coney Island via EXPRESS

 

suspended

 

runs in two sections:

Forest Hills to Whitehall Street

Lawrence Street to Bay Ridge

 

frequencies reduced so that Whitehall Street can handle both services at once.

 

stops at DeKalb Avenue, runs via 4th Avenue LOCAL

 

NEXT

Express tracks at 42nd Street ( are out of service. Reroute trains in such a way that it will create the least confusion to the average commuter.

 

Suspended

No trains between W4 and 59 Sts.

 

NEXT

8 Av Local uptown track closed at 23 St. Reroute service such that no services are suspended or in-two-sectioned. Also, no to Broad.

 

@Abba: click on 'NYC Subway' where the path to the thread is shown.

 

I know it works now.A min ago it said "Page not found".

[pjbr40]

The two middle tracks at Jay Street (A and C trains) are out of service.

 

 

C is shuttle service between Hoyt and Broadway Junction. One train on both side with 30 minutes headway.

 

A train from Manhattan rerouted to Church Avenue via F line since the switch is before Jay street station.

 

Shuttle buses for Jay Street to Hoyt Street station.

 

A in Queens run from Broadway Junction to Lefftert Blvd.

 

Rockaway shuttle will do the old version of H train in Round Robin. Euclid Ave to Far Rockaway and Rockaway Park.

 

 

Expect long delay and used all train connection to get around it. Broadway Junction for the J,Z and L. Use Franklin Avenue to get the shuttle train for the 2, 3, 4, 5 or B and Q train.

 

What If

All tracks at DeKalb Ave are out of service.(B, D, N, Q, R) including the express track. Also all the Pacific Street switches are broken as well.

[FamousNYLover]

 

What If

All tracks at DeKalb Ave are out of service.(B, D, N, Q, R) including the express track. Also all the Pacific Street switches are broken as well.

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( No service between Broadway-Lafayette & Brighton Beach. Trains rerouted to 2nd Av Station on uptown track.

: No service between Broadway-Lafayette & Atlantic Av-Pacific St. Trains from Bronx rerouted to 2nd Av Station.

Brooklyn train runs as shuttle between 9th Av & Coney Island.

: Trains run in 2 sections.

1. Between Astoria-Ditmars Blvd & 34th St-Herald Sq.

2. Between 36th St & Kings Highway via Coney Island

: No trains running.

 

: No trains between Whitehall St & 36th St.

Shuttle buses operate as follows.

1. Between Kings Highway & Atlantic Av-Pacific St via local/express.

2. Same as Shuttle Bus, but also stops at 8th St-NYU/Astor Place Station.

4. Serving between 36th St & York St Station via DeKalb Av Station- Local.

I post shuttle bus maps later.

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Next: Little-off-topic.

Nuclear Explosion at United Nations shut down East River Tunnel, Queens-Midtown Steinway, 53rd St Tunnels and Queensboro Bridge.

Subways or buses cannot close the these affected areas.

Reroute LIRR, Amtrak, NJT also.

Rerouted buses also. Affects M15, M15 SBS, M42, M50, M57 buses.

1st-2nd Avs closed between 34th St & 57th St.

Sutton Place shutdown between 57th St & 53rd St-FDR Drive Exit.

Edited March 15, 2012 by FamousNYLover

[pjbr40]

Good action to figure out in What IF for FamousNy. I can do some but not all because i don't know the buses to well in that area. I pass

[Gorgor]

Next: Little-off-topic.

Nuclear Explosion at United Nations shut down East River Tunnel, Queens-Midtown Steinway, 53rd St Tunnels and Queensboro Bridge.

Subways or buses cannot close the these affected areas.

Reroute LIRR, Amtrak, NJT also.

Rerouted buses also. Affects M15, M15 SBS, M42, M50, M57 buses.

1st-2nd Avs closed between 34th St & 57th St.

Sutton Place shutdown between 57th St & 53rd St-FDR Drive Exit.

 

runs in two sections:

53rd Street/Lexington Avenue to WTC

23rd Street/Ely Avenue to Jamaica Center via LOCAL

 

runs in two sections:

57th Street/6th Avenue to Coney Island

21st Street Queensbridge to Jamaica via LOCAL

 

runs between Metropolitan Avenue and Myrtle Avenue (weekend pattern)

 

runs in two sections:

Queensboro Plaza to Astoria

59th Street/Lexington Avenue to Coney Island via LOCAL, Manhattan Bridge

 

suspended: ( runs local via Brighton Line

 

runs between 59th Street/Lexington Avenue to Bay Ridge via LOCAL, Downtown

 

runs between Queensboro Plaza and Flushing

Free shuttle bus provides service between Queensboro Plaza, Court Square, Hunters Point Avenue, and Vernon Boulevard

 

Buses:

M15/M15 SBS uptown: Left on 34th Street, right on 3rd Avenue, right on 57th Street, left on 1st Avenue and regular route

M15/M15 SBS downtown: Right on 57th Street, left on Lexington Avenue, left on 34th Street, right on 2nd Avenue and regular route

M42 eastbound: Right on Lexington Avenue, left on 34th Street, left on 3rd Avenue to temporary stand

M42 westbound: From temporary stand, left on 42nd Street and regular route

M50 eastbound: Right on Lexington Avenue to temporary stand

M50 westbound: From temporary stand, right on 49th Street and regular route

M57 westbound: Right on 57th Street to regular route

 

No Q32, Q60, and Q101 service in Manhattan. I'm not good with Queens streets, but they'll terminate near the base of the Queensboro Bridge.

 

Express buses:

QM7, QM8, QM11, QM25 westbound: Via Long Island Expressway, take southbound BQE, Brooklyn Bridge, exit onto Water Street and regular route

QM7, QM8, QM11, QM25 eastbound: Via Park Row, keep left onto Brooklyn Bridge, take northbound BQE, exit onto Long Island Expressway and regular route

 

QM16, QM17 westbound: Via Cross Bay Boulevard, take Shore Parkway westbound, onto Gowanus Expressway, Brooklyn-Battery Tunnel, FDR Drive, exit at 34th Street, left on 34th Street and regular route

QM16, QM17 eastbound: Via 57th Street, right onto Lexington Avenue, left on 34th Street, southbound FDR Drive, Brooklyn-Battery Tunnel, Gowanus Expressway, Shore Parkway, exit and right turn on Cross Bay Boulevard and regular route

 

QM2, QM3, QM20 westbound: Westbound Grand Central Parkway, take onto RFK Bridge, exit right towards Manhattan, exit at 125th Street, left on 2nd Avenue, Right on 106th Street, left on 5th Avenue. Buses will make corresponding stops along 5th Avenue

QM2, QM20 eastbound: Via 57th Street, left onto 1st Avenue, left on 124th Street, keep right onto RFK Bridge, Grand Central Parkway and regular route.

QM3 eastbound: Via 57th Street, left onto 1st Avenue, left on 124th Street, keep right onto RFK Bridge, Grand Central Parkway, exit right onto BQE, exit and turn left onto Northern Boulevard and regular route

 

QM1, QM5, QM6, QM21, X63, X64, X68 westbound: Via Union Turnpike/Queens Boulevard, take Grand Central Parkway to RFK Bridge, exit right towards Manhattan, exit at 125th Street, left on 2nd Avenue, Right on 106th Street, left on 5th Avenue. Buses will make corresponding stops along 5th Avenue

 

QM1, QM5, QM6, QM21, X63, X64, X68 eastbound: Via 57th Street, left onto 1st Avenue, left on 124th Street, keep right onto RFK Bridge, Grand Central Parkway, exit onto Union Turnpike/Queens Boulevard and regular route

 

All other QM buses and BM5 westbound: Via Long Island Expressway,

take southbound BQE, Williamsburg Bridge, right onto Allen Street, take Allen Street into 1st Avenue, left on 34th Street and regular route

 

All other QM buses eastbound: via 57th Street, left onto 1st Avenue, left on 124th Street, keep right onto RFK Bridge, Grand Central Parkway, exit right onto BQE, exit onto eastbound Long Island Expressway and regular route

 

BM5 eastbound: Via 34th Street, continue straight and take southbound FDR Drive, exit and turn right on Grand Street, right on Essex Street, right onto Williamsburg Bridge, take onto northbound BQE, exit onto eastbound Long Island Expressway and regular route

 

Expect extreme delays on all bus routes.

 

 

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Ok, this took a lot of effort. I'm pretty sure that in a case of an emergency like this the MTA will just suspend all Queens express buses, but it was fun to play around with this.

[NX Express]

I think if there was a nuclear explosion, the city would be evacuated and the last of worries would be how some buses run.

 

Will you post a new scenario?