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[Brighton Express]

NEXT:

Due to a electrical problem along the White Plains Line, Dyre Avenue is inaccesible, and Lex Avenue trains cannot get to White Plains. Reroute service.

 

 

I already posted this scenario...

 

 

Next:

 

A blackout on the tip of lower Manhattan has knocked out service at the extreme lower Manhattan stations (South Ferry and Rector on the , Whitehall and Rector on the and Bowling Green on the (4)/ ), however, the Broad Street and Wall Street (2)/ stations are NOT affected by this and those lines can run to Brooklyn.

 

 

via the Jamaica Ctr to Broad St (Nassau Express)

via the ( M ) Broad St to DeKalb Av

via the DeKalb Av to Prospect Pk

via the Prospect Pk to Brighton Beach (Brighton Express)

 

via the 96 St to Pacific St (4 Av Local)

via the Pacific St to 5 Av (Broadway Local) [DeKalb Av Bypass]

via the 5 Av to 71 Av (Queens Blvd Local)

 

via the Canal St to City Hall

 

via the Chambers St to 242 St (Broadway/7 Av Local)

 

via the City Hall to 14 St (Lexington Av Local)

via the 14 St to Woodlawn (Lexington Av Express)

 

( 5 )

via the ( 5 ) Dyre/Nereid Av to 149 St

via the ( 2 ) 149 St to Nevins St

via the ( 5 ) Nevins St to Flatbush Av

Edited May 9, 2012 by trainguy97

[Brighton Express]

We have a train collision at DeKalb Av. An was entering the Station, while an was switching to enter the station, and the trains both collided.

 

To make it very clear, the Downtown DeKalb Av Local Track can not be used, and the Downtown DeKalb Av Express track can't be used.

 

The DeKalb Av platform is open however.

[NX Express]

No trains between Atlantic Av and 205 St.

Extended to 205 St, all times.

Runs via Brighton Exp to Coney Island, then through Coney Island to 59 St .

No trains between Atlantic/Pacific and Whitehall St.

 

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Because of a mechanical problem, both downtown local tracks are unusable at W4 St.

[Gorgor]

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Because of a mechanical problem, both downtown local tracks are unusable at W4 St.

 

 

DOWNTOWN: runs express between 34th Street and Canal Street

runs to 2nd Avenue via the

DOWNTOWN: via the to 42nd Street, via the to Jay Street then regular route

runs to Broad Street - No service along 6th Avenue or Queens Blvd

 

Please expect delays along the downtown 8th Avenue Express

 

And I know that there could be better service provided, such as sending the through 63rd and the through 53rd in both directions, but that would cause even more extreme confusion to the average rider and would not be a good solution.

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Both Brooklyn bound tracks on the Manhattan Bridge are out of service. Affects the trains.

[Brighton Express]

NEXT:

Both Brooklyn bound tracks on the Manhattan Bridge are out of service. Affects the trains.

 

 

No Service

 

via the 205 St to W4 (Grand CC/CPW/6 Av Express)

via the W4 to Bergen St

via the Bergen St to Coney Island (Viaduct/PS/Culver Peak Express)

 

via the Jamaica Ctr to Broad St (Nassau Express)

via the ( M ) Broad St to DeKalb Av

via the DeKalb Av to 36 St (4 Av Local)

via the 36 St to Bay Parkway (West End Express)

 

via the Pacific St to Coney Island (4 Av Express/Sea Beach Local)

 

via the Astoria Ditmars to Canal St (Astoria Local/Broadway Express)

via the Canal St to DeKalb Av

via the DeKalb Av to Brighton Beach (Brighton Local)

 

NEXT

A train out of control derails between Bergen St and Grand Army Plz, causing structural failure of the Eastern Parkway line between Bergen St and Grand Army Plz, plus on the Brighton Line at the 7 Av Station. Reroute away.

Edited May 10, 2012 by trainguy97

[B to Brighton]

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Because of a mechanical problem, both downtown local tracks are unusable at W4 St.

 

 

Normal route

Suspended

Euclid Av - Chambers St

CPW local

express 34th St - Canal St

Single tracked shuttle on uptown local track from 23 St to Penn Station

via normal from 179 St to W4

via the from W4 to Bay Parkway, 62nd St, or Coney Island

York St - Coney Island

to Broad St

Shuttle buses for East Broadway and single tracked shuttle between Broadway Lafayette - 2Av

Edited May 10, 2012 by B to Brighton

[Wallyhorse]

A train out of control derails between Bergen St and Grand Army Plz, causing structural failure of the Eastern Parkway line between Bergen St and Grand Army Plz, plus on the Brighton Line at the 7 Av Station. Reroute away.

 

Very similar to an earlier situation I did:

, , and run to Atlantic Avenue-Barclays Center ( on regular platform for that line)

shuttle bus from Atlantic Avenue-Barclays Center to Franklin Avenue-Botanic Garden

shuttle Franklin Avenue-Flatbush Avenue

shuttle Franklin Avenue-New Lots Avenue

 

runs with to South Ferry (some trains drop out at Rector Street and use the old SF loop to turn)

 

runs in the following manner:

From Prospect Park: to Coney Island via regular route and then after Brighton Beach, then through Coney Island via Sea Beach Express to 59th Street OR West End express to 36th Street, then via the (D)/ OR to DeKalb and then via regular route.

 

To Prospect Park: Via regular route to DeKalb Avenue, then via the (D)/ or to 36th or 59th Street, then via Sea Beach Express or West End Express (opposite of whichever route from Prospect Park uses) to Coney Island and then through Coney Island via the to Brighton Beach and regular route to Prospect Park.

 

Special five-car, 300' shuttle trains operate Coney Island-Botanic Garden station, terminating on the Prospect Park-bound side. Transfer to/from shuttle buses there.

 

Regular is reduced to a single, two-car train that operates from the Franklin Avenue-bound platform at Botanic Garden to Franklin Avenue and back single tracked.

Edited May 10, 2012 by Wallyhorse

[Wallyhorse]

Since no one has posted here in a couple of days:

 

Because of a mechanical problem, both downtown local tracks are unusable at W4 St

 

Here goes with how I handle this:

 

is suspended

 

One of the Transit Museum tracks is cleared (with such train stored elsewhere) to allow trains to use the Transit Museum to turn in Brooklyn as trains run in Brooklyn only from Hoyt-Schemerhorn Street-Euclid Avenue, stopping at Hoyt-Schermerhorn on the normally unused track/platform there.

 

Downtown runs local from 34th-West 4th (uptown runs normal), switching to the express track before West 4th.

 

trains run via the to 34th Street-Herald Square, terminating on the downtown express track.

 

to Brooklyn runs via the from 5th Avenue to 50th Street-8th Avenue, then via the to Jay Street-Borough Hall and then regular route to Coney Island. There is normal service to Manhattan and Queens.

 

runs Metropolitan Avenue-Essex Street

 

Shuttle bus service between West 4th and Essex-Delancey stopping at Broadway-Lafayette Streets, 1st and 2nd Avenues on Houston Street and Essex-Delancey Streets only.

 

Next:

Due to separate rail conditions on the outer ("local") tracks at DeKalb Avenue in both directions, trains can only access the Manhattan Bridge in both directions from the bypass tracks (the "express," or tunnel tracks are not affected by this, and because of this emergency, 600' trains are permitted to use the (J)/ tracks via the Montauge tunnel between Broad Street and Essex and the Willamsburg Bridge to access the 6th Avenue line tracks if necessary).

Edited May 12, 2012 by Wallyhorse

[B to Brighton]

One of the Transit Museum tracks is cleared (with such train stored elsewhere) to allow trains to use the Transit Museum to turn in Brooklyn as trains run in Brooklyn only from Hoyt-Schemerhorn Street-Euclid Avenue, stopping at Hoyt-Schermerhorn on the normally unused track/platform there.

 

 

Its better (and more realistic) run the to Chambers St instead of the Transit Museum, isnt it?

 

Next:

Due to separate rail conditions on the outer ("local") tracks at DeKalb Avenue in both directions, trains can only access the Manhattan Bridge in both directions from the bypass tracks (the "express," or tunnel tracks are not affected by this, and because of this emergency, 600' trains are permitted to use the (J)/ tracks via the Montauge tunnel between Broad Street and Essex and the Willamsburg Bridge to access the 6th Avenue line tracks if necessary).

 

 

Suspended

express in Manhattan

via tunnel and local in Manhattan

 

Next: Due to water issues, 168 St is impassable.

Edited May 12, 2012 by B to Brighton

[Wallyhorse]

Its better (and more realistic) run the to Chambers St instead of the Transit Museum, isnt it?

 

Not when you have the and (to Brooklyn) trains running between Canal and West 4th on the one track. Those two trains by themselves take up all the capacity the Cranberry tunnel has to Brooklyn. That's why I clear out one of the TM tracks so the can use that to turn and otherwise run Hoyt-Schermerhorn to Euclid Avenue.

[Gorgor]

Next: Due to water issues, 168 St is impassable.

 

 

I'm using LOGIC to answer this situation, not FOAMING like this whole thread is.

 

- Runs LOCAL between Chambers Street and 125th Street - terminates at LOWER LEVEL MIDDLE TRACK 145th Stret

- Runs between Chambers Street and Euclid

- Runs local in the Bronx

 

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14th Street/6th Avenue is destroyed and no trains can pass through.

 

No foaming.

[Wallyhorse]

I'm using LOGIC to answer this situation, not FOAMING like this whole thread is.

 

- Runs LOCAL between Chambers Street and 125th Street - terminates at LOWER LEVEL MIDDLE TRACK 145th Stret

- Runs between Chambers Street and Euclid

- Runs local in the Bronx

 

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14th Street/6th Avenue is destroyed and no trains can pass through.

 

No foaming.

 

Are the lower level express tracks also unusable (you failed to mention this in your post)?

[Threxx]

Next: Due to water issues, 168 St is impassable.

 

 

Not much you can do here...

 

: Truncated to 145 St, Manhattan. Local in Brooklyn.

: Trains travel to Bedford Pk Boulevard all day.

: Suspended.

: No express service in the Bronx.

: Extra service 145 Street-207 Street.

 

Shuttle buses 145 St-207 St..

Edited May 12, 2012 by ThrexxBus

[VWM]

@ Gorgor

Stations do not Simply blow up.

[BM5 via Woodhaven]

Because a crane malfunction, which hit an R160 at Neptune, which fell on top of a bus, which hit a pole, and the pole fell on the tracks, Bascially the Section of track Between Coney Island and W.8 Street and Neptune Avenue elevated portion can fall at any minute, reroute all trains and buses

[Gorgor]

I'm using LOGIC to answer this situation, not FOAMING like this whole thread is.

 

- Runs LOCAL between Chambers Street and 125th Street - terminates at LOWER LEVEL MIDDLE TRACK 145th Stret

- Runs between Chambers Street and Euclid

- Runs local in the Bronx

 

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NEXT

14th Street/6th Avenue is destroyed and no trains can pass through.

 

No foaming.

 

 

Oh sorry, the tracks are unaffected. Reroute the trains.

 

@ Gorgor

Stations do not Simply blow up.

 

Complete stations can get destroyed though.

[Eric B]

Due to separate rail conditions on the outer ("local") tracks at DeKalb Avenue in both directions, trains can only access the Manhattan Bridge in both directions from the bypass tracks (the "express," or tunnel tracks are not affected by this, and because of this emergency, 600' trains are permitted to use the (J)/ tracks via the Montauge tunnel between Broad Street and Essex and the Willamsburg Bridge to access the 6th Avenue line tracks if necessary).

Ever since they reconfigured the area around Essex, I had figured a scenario where both the Manhattan and Williamsburg Bridges were closed.

 

You would reverse signal J1 from Essex through Canal. Southbound 6th Ave. trains could then reverse in the station, instead of going out onto the bridge. The platform could even be extended back to the reverse signal (Which is now a marker, but would be replaced by a regular home signal). You would have to knock out about 10-15 feet of the concrete, but the columns could probably stay. The wall actually diverges from the track, so the further toward the signal you go, the more space you would have for the platform, and you would't have to knock out any more wall. The train would neatly fit between that signal, and the other end of the station, where a 10 car marker would be added.

So it would come in on BJ1 and head back out on J1, and cross over to the southbound between Canal and Chambers, and then continue through Montague.

 

Northbound would just come in on J4, as the now does, also reverse in the station, and then cross over to BJ2. That side of the platform could also be extended, and a station dept. room would have to be demolished.

 

The only problem would be crossing over each other near Chambers.

[Wallyhorse]

Oh sorry, the tracks are unaffected. Reroute the trains.

 

 

Complete stations can get destroyed though.

 

Here goes:

 

runs local from 168th Street-145th Street, express otherwise in Manhattan.

 

runs Bedford Park Boulevard OR 145th Street to 42nd Street-6th Avenue ONLY (terminating on express track)

stops on local track at 42nd Street, then returns to express track. also runs local on CPW to 145th Street.

runs express with 34th Street-West 4th

Expect delays on lines due to track switching made necessary by this.

 

terminates at Union Square

 

is re-routed via 8th Avenue from West 4th Street-5th Avenue, then regular route.

 

is suspended in Manhattan. For service to or from Spring, 23rd Street or 50th streets to CPW and upper Manhattan local stations, take the or train ( to/from 23rd or 50th only in terms of local stations) to 7th Avenue and change there for the or , which both run local to 145th Street. For local stations between 145th-168th, change to the at Columbus Circle, 125th or 145th Street.

 

does run local in Brooklyn from Hoyt-Schermerhorn Street (using the normally unused local tracks and platforms)-Euclid Avenue. The Transit Museum trains are temporarily moved out of the TM (former Court Street) station so the can use the tracks there to turn around.

Edited May 13, 2012 by Wallyhorse

[Threxx]

does run local in Brooklyn from Hoyt-Schermerhorn Street (using the normally unused local tracks and platforms)-Euclid Avenue. The Transit Museum trains are temporarily moved out of the TM (former Court Street) station so the can use the tracks there to turn around.

 

 

How long do you think it'll take to move those trains, some of which may not even have wheels that turn!

 

The is 6 TPH, the is 15, the is 8... that's 29...

Edited May 13, 2012 by ThrexxBus

[Gorgor]

does run local in Brooklyn from Hoyt-Schermerhorn Street (using the normally unused local tracks and platforms)-Euclid Avenue. The Transit Museum trains are temporarily moved out of the TM (former Court Street) station so the can use the tracks there to turn around.

 

 

I SAID NO FOAMING

[Threxx]

I SAID NO FOAMING

 

 

But stations do not simply get destroyed, yet you speak of foaming...

[Brighton Express]

Next:

Due to separate rail conditions on the outer ("local") tracks at DeKalb Avenue in both directions, trains can only access the Manhattan Bridge in both directions from the bypass tracks (the "express," or tunnel tracks are not affected by this, and because of this emergency, 600' trains are permitted to use the (J)/ tracks via the Montauge tunnel between Broad Street and Essex and the Willamsburg Bridge to access the 6th Avenue line tracks if necessary).

 

 

via the 2 Av to Broadway Lafayette

via the Broadway Lafayette to 145 St/Bedford Park Blvd (6 Av Express/CPW/Grand CC Local)

 

via the Jamaica Ctr to Broad St (Nassau Express)

via the <M> Broad St to Bay Parkway (4 Av/West End Local) [select Trains Run West End Express]

 

via the Atlantic Av to Prospect Park

via the Prospect Park to Ocean Pkwy (Brighton Express)

via the Ocean Pkwy to CI

 

Next: Due to water issues, 168 St is impassable.

 

 

via the Far Rockaway/Lefferts Blvd to 125 St (Fulton/8 Av/CPW Express)

 

via the Brighton Beach to 34 St (Brighton/6 Av Express)

 

via the Euclid Av to 125 St (Fulton/8 Av/CPW Local)

via the 125 St to Bedford Park Blvd (Grand CC Express Peak) [select Trains Skip 135 St Both Directions]

 

via the CI to Broadway Lafayette (West End Local/4 Av Express)

via the Broadway Lafayette to 34 St (6 Av Local)

via the 34 St to 205 St (CPW Express/Grand CC Local)

[Brighton Express]

NEXT

14th Street/6th Avenue is destroyed and no trains can pass through.

Oh sorry, the tracks are unaffected. Reroute the trains.

No foaming.

 

 

You talkin ish to everyone about foaming, telling us that the Local tracks are miraculously destroyed, and the Express ones stay untouched. Some logic chief.

 

via the Euclid Av to Chambers St (Fulton Local)

via the Euclid Av to 42 St (8 Av Express)

via the 42 St to 168 St (CPW Local)

 

via the CI to W4 (Culver/Viaduct/PS Local)

via the W4 to 71 Av (8 Av Local/Queens Blvd Express)

via the 71 Av to 179 St

 

via the Canarsie to 3 Av (Canarsie Local)

 

via the Metro Av to Essex St (Nassau Local)

via the Essex St to Chambers/Broad St

 

Because a crane malfunction, which hit an R160 at Neptune, which fell on top of a bus, which hit a pole, and the pole fell on the tracks, Bascially the Section of track Between Coney Island and W.8 Street and Neptune Avenue elevated portion can fall at any minute, reroute all trains and buses

 

 

via the 179 St to Av X (Queens Blvd Express/6 Av/PS/Viaduct/Culver Local)

[Wallyhorse]

I SAID NO FOAMING

 

 

Not foam when you are looking at how you can keep as much service as possible. If it is possible to have the continue in Manhattan without interfering with the and in this case, then I would have the continue in Manhattan. One rule I would have with the TM station is when needed to turn trains, one of the tracks can be cleared in order to facilitate such. If I could do it before getting to the Museum tracks, I would otherwise because I would NOT want to do that unless needed in order to keep local service on the and express on the in Brooklyn in an emergency like the one presented.

 

Remember, I'm looking at the overall picture, which has ZERO to do with foaming.

 

 

Anyway, next up:

The "Express" tracks ( (4)/ ) at Nevins Street are unusable due to a derailment inside the station, however, the local ( (2)/ ) tracks are unaffected by such. Also, at the same time, a separate derailment as made the southbound platform at the Atlantic Avenue-Barclays Center (D)/ (N)/ station unusable.

Edited May 13, 2012 by Wallyhorse

[Brighton Express]

Anyway, next up:

The "Express" tracks ( (4)/ ) at Nevins Street are unusable due to a derailment inside the station, however, the local ( (2)/ ) tracks are unaffected by such. Also, at the same time, a separate derailment as made the southbound platform at the Atlantic Avenue-Barclays Center (D)/ (N)/ station unusable.

 

 

via the City Hall to 14 St

via the 14 St to Woodlawn (Lexington Av Express/Jerome Av Local)

 

via the New Lots Av to Atlantic Av (EP Express)

via the Atlantic Av to Chambers St

via the Chambers St to 96 St (7 Av Local)

via the 96 St to 149 St

via the 149 St to Dyre/Nereid Av (WP Express)

 

via the Borough Hall to Bowling Green

 

 

ALL THE FOLLOWING ARE DOWNTOWN SERVICE ONLY

 

via the 205 St to W4 (GCC/CPW/6 Av Express)

via the W4 to CI (Viaduct/PS/Culver Peak Express)

 

via the Astoria Ditmars to Canal St (Astoria/Broadway Local)

via the Canal St to Prospect Park

via the Prospect Park to Ocean Pkwy (Brighton Express)

 

via the Bay Ridge Shuttle

 

( S )

via the ( N ) 59 St to CI (Sea Beach Local)