NICE Planned Service/Schedule Changes

[nostalgia]

Do you know which route it took? Did it go to Mineola back then?

 

Mid-Island Transit's N79 went directly to Roosevelt Field. It couldn't go to Mineola because that route (Mineola-Hempstead-Freeport) was owned by Hempstead Bus.

[qjtransitmaster]

Why does the N24 go to East Meadow in the first place? Can the N46-49 be restructured to pick up these passengers. With all the complaints I've read about slow service, short turning some buses at Roosevelt Field would seem to improve service.

 

I already addressed that issue with veolia in the proposal I sent to them. I modified some of my proposals based on info I gathered from riders I spoke to and comments on this forum.

[qjtransitmaster]

I'm not sure exactly, there isn't many people on the East Meadow Trips. I guess that's why it will be rush hours only. They suggest taking the N51 when the N24 does not service East Meadow.

 

The service is slow because of Jericho Turnpike, a many times when the bus pulls over to a stop, it gets trapped there until there's a gap in traffic. That with the traffic signals create "NYC Bus syndrome", a lot of stationary moments. I used to work near Roosevelt Field and would go to Jamaica sometimes before work. One time I took the N24, I learned my lesson, N22 always!

 

 

 

Exactly its obvious that it will increase ridership because the route will be longer and replace another route. That's what I was trying to say to Keystone. Anyway I'm sure there will be riders traveling east of Roosevelt Field, to access the stores on Old Country Road that previously was more difficult because no bus was timed to connect with the N78/N79. I used to take whichever bus was going to East Gate Blvd First from the Mall, and then walk east from Wendy's.

 

Keep in mind that the N24 will have the same headways to Hicksville so people may still walk, or if they're already on the N24 they can just stay on. Also, the N43's frequency will be increased to every 30 mins, that will make it easier to access the Source mall, Walmart, etc from the south side if one doesn't want to wait for the N24, as well as Target, Chillis, The Movie Theater, Sprint Store etc.

 

If there is a lot of turn over at the Mall, that's more money/ riders for the route. There is tons of turn over at the Hempstead Bus Terminal, N15, N35, N16, N40/N41.

 

This is how it saves money. One of the issues is that ridership West of Hicksville LIRR is greater than Ridership East of Hicksville. By extending the N24, they keep the same headways up to the LIRR station. Now they can just have the N78 run peak hours only because they don't need it to maintain 30 min headways along Old Country Road anymore, the N24 handles that. The N79 can handle the new truncated route on 1 hour headways as it has previously done.

 

Now there is no overlap of redundant service Between Mineola and Roosevelt Field. N22, N24, N78/N79. (and N15). And no over service east of the Hicksville LIRR.

If you're at Mineola Terminal and you want to go to Roosevelt Field, now you have 2 routes to use instead of "4". If you Want to go past Roosevelt Field along Old Country Road than you have to use the N24. Those 2-5 people you saw on the N78 /N79 will now have to use a N24 that was always there in the first place, usually with seats available. Same routes and people served with less buses, and more utilization.

 

The n22, N24, N78, N79 provides that section of Old Country road with at least 10 buses an hour, during rush not including the N15, way over serviced. During the holiday season they'd all be conga lined with all the traffic. During non peak hours the N23 will go to the Mall and so, those passengers won't need to transfer at Mineola and there will be less need for service between those two points.

 

The N43 is being extended to Hempstead to Connect the N43 to more routes, and to replace the N16 short turns between Hempstead and NCC. Now, If a rider wants to go to NCC from Hempstead, they can take the N16, N35, N43. The N16 short turns before and after the semester ends are EMPTY and a complete waste of money. By extending the N43 they have another useful extension that serves riders even when school is not in session. You know how much it sucked for me to get to the Sprint Store or the Soruce Mall from Hempstead before they modified the N35? But now it still goes along Stewart Ave and NCC first, the N43 will go there directly after the Mall.

 

All these changes collectively save money and the routes "help" each other out. It takes into account where riders travel to/from and options they can use. Not the 1 person on the N73, but the hundreds/thousands of NCC students, Roosevelt Field Mall riders and transfer-ers, the 10's of thousands of Riders going to/from Jamaica/Flushing.

 

 

Do you know which route it took? Did it go to Mineola back then?

 

The N43 extension is redundant due to the N40/41 and many other hempstead bound routes. an estension of select N6 trips would do better. Already submitted everything I gathered for review by veolia. They got back to me quite fast too.

[User]

I already addressed that issue with veolia in the proposal I sent to them. I modified some of my proposals based on info I gathered from riders I spoke to and comments on this forum.

Post these proposals on the forum. I'm interested to hear them.

[Joel Up Front]

You'd think they'd get on those N16 non-stop runs... a month away from the semester ending is a waste. Never mind that after 12:00 there are more students around and once classes end, those N16s fill up quick and in my case, we have to flag people after Bradley Hall. Lots of pissed off people at the far busier Bookstore and Student Union stops.

[N6 Limited]

1) But couldn't they just have N79 short-turns (basically cut those N78 runs back to run Mineola-Hicksville, or RFM-Hicksville)

 

2) I know why it's being extended. But sending the N78/79 there would allow riders on those routes to access more routes. Plus, a good portion of N43 customers are within walking distance of a route to Hempstead (N40/41 for Freeport, and N54/55 or N70/71/72 for Uniondale riders)

 

3) I know that, but how is extending the N43 to Hempstead cheaper than sending the N78/79 to Hempstead (instead of ending at the RFM)

 

1)It would still overlap the N24 which could just continue for another 30 mins to the LIRR Station, instead of having one bus go back in forth with 5 people on board. The more turn over a bus has, the more money it makes. One bus can carry 90 people if enough people get on and off along the route (example). So by extending the N24, less buses are needed to provide the same exact service, less gas used, less underutilized seats ,etc.

 

2) N78/N79 has split ridership. Most people west of Hicksville LIRR are not going East of Hicksville LIRR, and so the connectivity issue isn't actually an issue. West of Hicksville the N24 serves their needs, East, the N79. The N43 will serve Hempstead, Roosevelt Field, NCC, Nassau Coliseum, Hosfstra and Uniondale Ave and Freeport. It will replace N16 short turns, while providing additional options for those accessing shopping , the other areas mentioned, and even be a way to get from Roosevelt Field to the JB88 in the summer, especially when people can take the N22X, etc. Basically it provides more benefits than the N16 short turns which had no use when school was not in session.

Don't forget that the N54/55 N48/49 are having frequency reductions while the N43 is having a frequency increase.

 

3)Because they are eliminating the N16 short turns, A 25 min long run which is useless when school is not in session is being replaced by a 15 min extension of an existing route which serves many more destinations and willl have more utilization. That simple extension provides more service to the Mall, NCC, Nassau Coliseum, etc from Hempstead. More destinations means more riders, lower cost of operation. The N78/79 to Hempstead would not have the same benefit or cost savings. There are already buses that travel between Hempstead and Hicksville, they certainly don't carry as many passengers as those going to the Mall or NCC. The N43 will serve many more potential riders. Riders going to/from the Mall, the Source Mall/Merchants Concourse, NCC, Nassau Coliseum, Hosfstra etc.

 

Mid-Island Transit's N79 went directly to Roosevelt Field. It couldn't go to Mineola because that route (Mineola-Hempstead-Freeport) was owned by Hempstead Bus.

 

Interesting, are there old maps available?

 

 

The N43 extension is redundant due to the N40/41 and many other hempstead bound routes. an estension of select N6 trips would do better. Already submitted everything I gathered for review by veolia. They got back to me quite fast too.

How is it redundant to the N40/41 when it serves the Mall, Merchants Concourse and NCC? Many riders at the Hempstead Bus Terminal are transferring from other routes, do you think they want to transfer again at Roosevelt Field? The N6 is too busy to be adding length to the route, the longer the route the more buses needed to carry those 14k people a day.

 

Also, don't forget that the N16 and N35 will be on 30 min headyways most likely with no short turns, as the N43 will serve that purpose. The N43 will be at 30 min headyways, they will all work together to serve the Mall and NCC to/from Hempstead accordingly. Essentialy a bus from Hempstead will serve NCC and the Mall every 10 mins, or if not at even frequencies it will be 6 buses an hour. Currently it's 5 buses an hour as the N16 with its short turns are at 20 min headways, and the N35 is at 30 min headways. The N43 is on 45 min headways, but it ends at Roosevelt Field. So by eliminating the N16 short turns, extending the N43 by 15 mins and increasing headways from 45 mins to 30 mins, they increase service to/from Hempstead by one bus an hour with more useful routings and more options for all riders between those 3 big destinations.

 

And so, because all three routes will be serving their entire routes, on 30 min headways, they still serve their individual purpose even when school is not in session, and therefore are not wasting money with empty buses and school sensitive short turns. Folks this is about efficiency.

 

You'd think they'd get on those N16 non-stop runs... a month away from the semester ending is a waste. Never mind that after 12:00 there are more students around and once classes end, those N16s fill up quick and in my case, we have to flag people after Bradley Hall. Lots of pissed off people at the far busier Bookstore and Student Union stops.

 

Those N16 non -stop runs will probably be at 30 min headways. NICE has said that the non-stop runs will only run while school is in session. Those Flagged people at the Bookstore and Student Union are going to have to take a N35 or N43 instead.

Edited March 16, 2012 by N6 Limited

[checkmatechamp13]

1)It would still overlap the N24 which could just continue for another 30 mins to the LIRR Station, instead of having one bus go back in forth with 5 people on board. The more turn over a bus has, the more money it makes. One bus can carry 90 people if enough people get on and off along the route (example). So by extending the N24, less buses are needed to provide the same exact service, less gas used, less underutilized seats ,etc.

 

2) N78/N79 has split ridership. Most people west of Hicksville LIRR are not going East of Hicksville LIRR, and so the connectivity issue isn't actually an issue. West of Hicksville the N24 serves their needs, East, the N79. The N43 will serve Hempstead, Roosevelt Field, NCC, Nassau Coliseum, Hosfstra and Uniondale Ave and Freeport. It will replace N16 short turns, while providing additional options for those accessing shopping , the other areas mentioned, and even be a way to get from Roosevelt Field to the JB88 in the summer, especially when people can take the N22X, etc. Basically it provides more benefits than the N16 short turns which had no use when school was not in session.

 

3)Because they are eliminating the N16 short turns, A 25 min long run which is useless when school is not in session is being replaced by a 15 min extension of an existing route which serves many more destinations and willl have more utilization. That simple extension provides more service to the Mall, NCC, Nassau Coliseum, etc from Hempstead. More destinations means more riders, lower cost of operation. The N78/79 to Hempstead would not have the same benefit or cost savings. There are already buses that travel between Hempstead and Hicksville, they certainly don't carry as many passengers as those going to the Mall or NCC. The N43 will serve many more potential riders. Riders going to/from the Mall, the Source Mall/Merchants Concourse, NCC, Nassau Coliseum, Hosfstra etc.

 

4) How is it redundant to the N40/41 when it serves the Mall, Merchants Concourse and NCC? Many riders at the Hempstead Bus Terminal are transferring from other routes, do you think they want to transfer again at Roosevelt Field? The N6 is too busy to be adding length to the route, the longer the route the more buses needed to carry those 14k people a day.

 

 

1) But I'm saying it's an either-or situation: Have the N24 serve Old Country Road, or have the N78/79 serve it. I'm not saying to have them both serve it.

 

2 & 3) I agree that the N16 short-turns should be merged with another route. I'm just questioning which route it should be.

 

And for the Coliseum and Hofstra, aren't the N70/71/72 more direct?

 

4) I think he means redundant for people going to Hempstead. Somebody living in Freeport/Roosevelt is better off taking the N40/41 directly to the HTC rather than being on the N43 which takes a more circuitous route through the RFM, NCC, etc. For people on Uniondale Avenue, the east-west routes should bring them there faster (then again, they're reducing service on the east-west routes, so I don't know).

 

Basically, I'm questioning whether the N43 is the best route to take over the short-turns, or whether it should be another route in the RFM area.

[qjtransitmaster]

Post these proposals on the forum. I'm interested to hear them.

 

Fine the cat is out the bag by now anyway. SO here :

 

N6 gets extended with 2 variants 1 to hicksville via old country road via nassau hub and RFM thus replacing that N43 extension rendering it not needed, then it will provide 24 min service or more at rush hour replacing N78/79 old country rd segment. The second variant will replace N45 thus eliminating N45 completely. But it travels via greenwich street to park ave timed to meet the N43 thus Former N45 users gain service then onward to bellmore.

 

N50 rerouted to be more direct service to bellmore eliminated reroutes to meadowbrook rd then centennial to long beach rd then like a LTD N15 via austin to long beach. This route gains 7 day service for summers only. Service becomes 45 mins with extra rush service(long term) desparate move to gain ridership.

[qjtransitmaster]

1) But I'm saying it's an either-or situation: Have the N24 serve Old Country Road, or have the N78/79 serve it. I'm not saying to have them both serve it.

 

2 & 3) I agree that the N16 short-turns should be merged with another route. I'm just questioning which route it should be.

 

And for the Coliseum and Hofstra, aren't the N70/71/72 more direct?

 

4) I think he means redundant for people going to Hempstead. Somebody living in Freeport/Roosevelt is better off taking the N40/41 directly to the HTC rather than being on the N43 which takes a more circuitous route through the RFM, NCC, etc. For people on Uniondale Avenue, the east-west routes should bring them there faster (then again, they're reducing service on the east-west routes, so I don't know).

 

Basically, I'm questioning whether the N43 is the best route to take over the short-turns, or whether it should be another route in the RFM area.

That route should be N17 this would boost ridership immediately.

[N6 Limited]

1) But I'm saying it's an either-or situation: Have the N24 serve Old Country Road, or have the N78/79 serve it. I'm not saying to have them both serve it.

 

2 & 3) I agree that the N16 short-turns should be merged with another route. I'm just questioning which route it should be.

 

And for the Coliseum and Hofstra, aren't the N70/71/72 more direct?

 

4) I think he means redundant for people going to Hempstead. Somebody living in Freeport/Roosevelt is better off taking the N40/41 directly to the HTC rather than being on the N43 which takes a more circuitous route through the RFM, NCC, etc. For people on Uniondale Avenue, the east-west routes should bring them there faster (then again, they're reducing service on the east-west routes, so I don't know).

 

Basically, I'm questioning whether the N43 is the best route to take over the short-turns, or whether it should be another route in the RFM area.

1)If I was coming from anywhere west of Mineola Intermodal Center, I'd rather not have to transfer to get to all of the stores passed East Gate Blvd. If I go shopping at the Source Mall, Best Buy, Walmart or go out to eat at Ruby Tuesdays, It's nice to know that I could take a N24 to Queens and not have to take a bus for 5 mins to the mall then wait at the mall for a N24.

 

2&3) What other choices are there? Yes the N70/N71/N72 are more direct, but if you miss a N72 you can take a N43. Or you can ride with your friend after a Concert to Roosevelt Field so they can catch their bus, and you stay on to Hempstead to Catch yours. Connecting more destinations adds passenger trips.

 

4)Don't forget the purpose of any bus route isn't always to get from one end to the other. How many people ride from Great Neck to Lynbrook on the N25? The N43 may be "redundant" in that it connects Freeport to Hempstead, but that's not the point. The point is another way to connect NCC to Hempstead iefficiently, while also providing benefits for riders along different segments of the route. A Direct ride from Hempstead to Target,the Lowes Theater, Applebees is going to generate trips. That's on top of students that will use it because of the elimination of N16 short trips. Higher Utilization of existing trips = lower cost.

 

Veolia is a private transport company, their goal is to keep their contract, be efficient, and increase ridership to increase revenue and lower costs. The MTA was subsidized so they didn't care. As BklynBus(?) shows all the time, the MTA thinks about saving money by cutting service, they don't take the "increase ridership" approach.

 

 

That route should be N17 this would boost ridership immediately.

 

That would be a false boost as most if not all riders would be going between Hempstead and NCC. And so the rest of the route would be a waste of gas and money.

[qjtransitmaster]

1)If I was coming from anywhere west of Mineola Intermodal Center, I'd rather not have to transfer to get to all of the stores passed East Gate Blvd. If I go shopping at the Source Mall, Best Buy, Walmart or go out to eat at Ruby Tuesdays, It's nice to know that I could take a N24 to Queens and not have to take a bus for 5 mins to the mall then wait at the mall for a N24.

 

2&3) What other choices are there? Yes the N70/N71/N72 are more direct, but if you miss a N72 you can take a N43. Or you can ride with your friend after a Concert to Roosevelt Field so they can catch their bus, and you stay on to Hempstead to Catch yours. Connecting more destinations adds passenger trips.

 

4)Don't forget the purpose of any bus route isn't always to get from one end to the other. How many people ride from Great Neck to Lynbrook on the N25? The N43 may be "redundant" in that it connects Freeport to Hempstead, but that's not the point. The point is another way to connect NCC to Hempstead iefficiently, while also providing benefits for riders along different segments of the route. A Direct ride from Hempstead to Target,the Lowes Theater, Applebees is going to generate trips. That's on top of students that will use it because of the elimination of N16 short trips. Higher Utilization of existing trips = lower cost.

 

Veolia is a private transport company, their goal is to keep their contract, be efficient, and increase ridership to increase revenue and lower costs. The MTA was subsidized so they didn't care. As BklynBus(?) shows all the time, the MTA thinks about saving money by cutting service, they don't take the "increase ridership" approach.

 

One problem with this post it's very selfish it benefits just you. don't try to justify redundancy you know N43 is NOT NEEDED in hempstead that was what it killing N46 piss off the many to satisfy the few selfish folk who refuse to transfer

not your best post I am dissappointed

[N6 Limited]

One problem with this post it's very selfish it benefits just you. don't try to justify redundancy you know N43 is NOT NEEDED in hempstead that was what it killing N46 piss off the many to satisfy the few selfish folk who refuse to transfer

not your best post I am dissappointed

 

Selfish? I was giving an example of how the N24 routing is better for ridership and efficiency. Do you not understand that the N16 short turns are being eliminated? Do you not understand how packed the buses between NCC and Hempstead are? Do you not understand that extending one route by 15 mins provides overall better service for those going to the the Nassau Hub? Sounds like you're the selfish one.

 

I used to attend NCC while working and I took 6 buses a day to go to work and school. I know what it's like to ride between Hempstead and NCC and how PACKED N16's could get. Sometimes a N16 and N35 would be 5 mins a part from the terminal, and if you missed them you were screwed for 20-30 mins when you had to get to class and many times the N16 came late also.

 

There were semesters where I took evening classes and semesters where I took day classes, so I know what its like going to that school all day by bus. Believe me 3 choices will be GREAT. Especially for those with Unlimited cards that can stop by the Source Mall, Movies, Target, etc on the way home without going through the Campus Again.

 

Also, I don't get how it's ok to have Redundancy along Old Country Road N15,22,24,78/79 west of the Mall where hardly anyone boards or alights a bus, and while you can sit on a bench and watch buses with 4 people on board, but it's not ok for Busy Corridors Between Hempstead and Roosevelt Field. Where the N35 and N43 will both be on 30 min headways and the N43 will be "covering" for other routes and providing service to other destinations.

[Marctalky1]

Selfish? I was giving an example of how the N24 routing is better for ridership and efficiency. Do you not understand that the N16 short turns are being eliminated? Do you not understand how packed the buses between NCC and Hempstead are? Do you not understand that extending one route by 15 mins provides overall better service for those going to the the Nassau Hub? Sounds like you're the selfish one.

 

I used to attend NCC while working and I took 6 buses a day to go to work and school. I know what it's like to ride between Hempstead and NCC and how PACKED N16's could get. Sometimes a N16 and N35 would be 5 mins a part from the terminal, and if you missed them you were screwed for 20-30 mins when you had to get to class and many times the N16 came late also.

 

There were semesters where I took evening classes and semesters where I took day classes, so I know what its like going to that school all day by bus. Believe me 3 choices will be GREAT. Especially for those with Unlimited cards that can stop by the Source Mall, Movies, Target, etc on the way home without going through the Campus Again.

 

Unlimited's are few and Far Between on LI only Hempstead the NCC bookstore sells them. I tell people about easy pay express and they have no interest.

[N6 Limited]

Unlimited's are few and Far Between on LI only Hempstead the NCC bookstore sells them. I tell people about easy pay express and they have no interest.

 

Easy Pay express pulls additional money when the balance isn't low enough in my opinion. I got my Unlimited Cards from 179th street or Hempstead Bus Terminal.

[Marctalky1]

Easy Pay express pulls additional money when the balance isn't low enough in my opinion. I got my Unlimited Cards from 179th street or Hempstead Bus Terminal.

Still NCC students don't listen to you about transit advice this one guy didn't even know that the 43 took you to NCC. They should make signs and refresh them every semester. Someone with a Bullhorn should be there too maybe the number would be more even. Many times I take the 9 15 am 45 on Monday and the N16 leaves at the same time Jam Packed.

[N6 Limited]

Still NCC students don't listen to you about transit advice this one guy didn't even know that the 43 took you to NCC. They should make signs and refresh them every semester. Someone with a Bullhorn should be there too maybe the number would be more even. Many times I take the 9 15 am 45 on Monday and the N16 leaves at the same time Jam Packed.

 

Silly. People don't learn their options. That's why when Keystone says no one he talks to like the changes, they probably don't know what they're talking about in the first place. Just like those riders who are "stranded" by FastTrack, get a grip and learn your alternatives.

 

I remember when the LIRR Long Beach Branch was out of service because of weather/flooding and some lady had to take the train to Mineola, she was On Old country Road and County seat drive on the News talking bout "I live in Long Beach, I'm stranded, How am I going to get home!? I might have to call a cab" I was yelling at the TV, "Get on the N15!!" Imagine a cab from Mineola to Long beach, that's probably $40-60!

[qjtransitmaster]

Selfish? I was giving an example of how the N24 routing is better for ridership and efficiency. Do you not understand that the N16 short turns are being eliminated? Do you not understand how packed the buses between NCC and Hempstead are? Do you not understand that extending one route by 15 mins provides overall better service for those going to the the Nassau Hub? Sounds like you're the selfish one.

 

I used to attend NCC while working and I took 6 buses a day to go to work and school. I know what it's like to ride between Hempstead and NCC and how PACKED N16's could get. Sometimes a N16 and N35 would be 5 mins a part from the terminal, and if you missed them you were screwed for 20-30 mins when you had to get to class and many times the N16 came late also.

 

There were semesters where I took evening classes and semesters where I took day classes, so I know what its like going to that school all day by bus. Believe me 3 choices will be GREAT. Especially for those with Unlimited cards that can stop by the Source Mall, Movies, Target, etc on the way home without going through the Campus Again.

 

Also, I don't get how it's ok to have Redundancy along Old Country Road N15,22,24,78/79 west of the Mall where hardly anyone boards or alights a bus, and while you can sit on a bench and watch buses with 4 people on board, but it's not ok for Busy Corridors Between Hempstead and Roosevelt Field. Where the N35 and N43 will both be on 30 min headways and the N43 will be "covering" for other routes and providing service to other destinations.

True BUT there are so many OTHER routes other than N43 that can extend like N17 which could use the boost and select N6 runs read my proposal for details. Most of em transfer to other lines. N43 DOES NOT need hempstead there are so many other routes that need the extension more. N17 is probably restored due to eliminated N16 short turns so it's more logical to extend N17 beyond hempstead than make the N43 a circulatorious route than could hurt reliability. Heck they could use N32/31 if they want. BUT I hate buses with indirect routing that meander so no find another line cause N43 extension just shows that there is a lack of creativity here.

[qjtransitmaster]

Silly. People don't learn their options. That's why when Keystone says no one he talks to like the changes, they probably don't know what they're talking about in the first place. Just like those riders who are "stranded" by FastTrack, get a grip and learn your alternatives.

 

I remember when the LIRR Long Beach Branch was out of service because of weather/flooding and some lady had to take the train to Mineola, she was On Old country Road and County seat drive on the News talking bout "I live in Long Beach, I'm stranded, How am I going to get home!? I might have to call a cab" I was yelling at the TV, "Get on the N15!!" Imagine a cab from Mineola to Long beach, that's probably $40-60!

 

FUNNY ppl seem to listen to me everytime I give transit advice even in LI ohh DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE human stupidity!!!!!!! especially in LI when it comes to transit ppl are so clueless when I talk about transit they mistake me for an LI native literally!!!! none of em knew I lived in brooklyn.

[N6 Limited]

True BUT there are so many OTHER routes other than N43 that can extend like N17 which could use the boost and select N6 runs read my proposal for details. Most of em transfer to other lines. N43 DOES NOT need hempstead there are so many other routes that need the extension more. N17 is probably restored due to eliminated N16 short turns so it's more logical to extend N17 beyond hempstead than make the N43 a circulatorious route than could hurt reliability. Heck they could use N32/31 if they want. BUT I hate buses with indirect routing that meander so no find another line cause N43 extension just shows that there is a lack of creativity here.

 

You don't get it. They have a budget and efficiency to keep in mind. Extending the N43 by 2 miles accomplishes a lot more than all those other ideas do.

 

Yes I know the N6 route very well. Many Transfer to other lines so that the bus can head back to Jamaica and do it's Job.

The n17 will be timed to meet employee schedules, whatever that means, so it was probably created by reducing service on a variety of lines. it may run every 4 hours or something.

 

No QJ, the N43 does not need Hempstead, but that isn't the point is it? The point is to provide additional service for the least amount of COST. Instead of running the 5 Mile N16 short turns which run empty when NCC is closed, they extend the N43 by 2 miles and acomplish the same thing. Buses that had to empty out at the mall will now be carrying thru passengers to Hempstead while picking up passengers at the mall.

 

Indirect routing doesn't matter at this point. It's like the M train, its indrect but no one is riding from end to end, each side of the route serves its purpose.

 

I disagree with your assessment, the N43 extension shows a lot of creativity. They're adding capacity, providing more service and service options between Hempstead, Roosevelt Field and NCC with LESS BUSES. They seem to understand that running empty buses is not a way to run a transit system if you want to stay in business.

 

Who cares if the N43 is Circuitous? Its not to get people from Freeport To Hempstead, its to CONNECT ALL THE DESTINATIONS TOGETHER. Actual trip generators.

[qjtransitmaster]

You don't get it. They have a budget and efficiency to keep in mind. Extending the N43 by 2 miles accomplishes a lot more than all those other ideas do.

 

Yes I know the N6 route very well. Many Transfer to other lines so that the bus can head back to Jamaica and do it's Job.

The n17 will be timed to meet employee schedules, whatever that means, so it was probably created by reducing service on a variety of lines. it may run every 4 hours or something.

 

No QJ, the N43 does not need Hempstead, but that isn't the point is it? The point is to provide additional service for the least amount of COST. Instead of running the 5 Mile N16 short turns which run empty when NCC is closed, they extend the N43 by 2 miles and acomplish the same thing. Buses that had to empty out at the mall will now be carrying thru passengers to Hempstead while picking up passengers at the mall.

 

Indirect routing doesn't matter at this point. It's like the M train, its indrect but no one is riding from end to end, each side of the route serves its purpose.

 

I disagree with your assessment, the N43 extension shows a lot of creativity. They're adding capacity, providing more service and service options between Hempstead, Roosevelt Field and NCC with LESS BUSES. They seem to understand that running empty buses is not a way to run a transit system if you want to stay in business.

 

Who cares if the N43 is Circuitous? Its not to get people from Freeport To Hempstead, its to CONNECT ALL THE DESTINATIONS TOGETHER. Actual trip generators.

Select N6 runs are a much better idea again read my last posts to see why. It keeps N24 from becoming more unreliable. let a few N6 trips do it en rte to hicksville via old country rd.

[N6 Limited]

Select N6 runs are a much better idea again read my last posts to see why. It keeps N24 from becoming more unreliable. let a few N6 trips do it en rte to hicksville via old country rd.

 

The N24 becomes unreliable because of Jericho Turnpike. The N6 already has major crowding and bunching issues and you want to extend select runs to Hicksville? How does that make any sense?

[nostalgia]

Interesting, are there old maps available?

 

There were no county bus maps when the private companies operated their routes. I remember Mid-Island drew a map on their schedule. The type looked like a Royal typewriter. I once found a copy of a Mid-Island schedule on the internet but can't find it now. It resembled today's N43.

 

I just remember Mid-Island operating Hempstead to Huntington via Roosevelt Field. I even remember the old Hempstead Terminal. There's a courthouse at the old location. (I think it's a courthouse.)

[Joel Up Front]

I thought the court house was always there and that where the Greyhound is was the terminal.

[nostalgia]

I thought the court house was always there and that where the Greyhound is was the terminal.

 

The original terminal is diagonally across from the current terminal. As best as I can remember, the entrance was off Jackson into what was a little alley. MapQuest shows a short street called Station Plaza.

 

I'm sure I'll be corrected - - if I'm wrong.

[N6 Limited]

There were no county bus maps when the private companies operated their routes. I remember Mid-Island drew a map on their schedule. The type looked like a Royal typewriter. I once found a copy of a Mid-Island schedule on the internet but can't find it now. It resembled today's N43.

 

I just remember Mid-Island operating Hempstead to Huntington via Roosevelt Field. I even remember the old Hempstead Terminal. There's a courthouse at the old location. (I think it's a courthouse.)

 

I did a search and found this one: http://www.hempsteadplains.com/miditran.htm

 

The southern portion is the N45, the northern portion is a combination of the N78/N79, N35, N22, and then Brush Hollow Road to Jericho.