The future of subway car design

[Eastman346 0]

What do the members of this forum think about the future of nyc subway car design?

 

How long will the current design of NTT's will last?

[trainfan22 2,248]

The current design of the B div NTT will last up to trains that replace the R68/A.

 

 

However i think the A div NTT design will change when the R62/A time comes.

[R32 3348 11]

I think the design changes every decade. The '60s was the time when the experimented with the exteriors, always with corrugations, and used the classic older interior. The '70s was the R44/46 era, thus a sdignificant redesign. The '80s brought a makeover of the '70s design as well as an IRT version of the design. The NTTs are a symbol of the space age, basically. The 2010 design on the R179s (probably the car after that though) will most likely be different.

[metsfan 2]

I think they might get more "green" and more aerodynamic underneath and in front.

 

- Andy

[7LineFan 256]

I think they might get more "green" and more aerodynamic underneath and in front.

 

- Andy

 

Bullet train?

[N-Trizzy2609 11]

Im looking more to subways looking like Chicago trains with N.Y. style front ends.

 

Im guessing F.I.N.D. wont go out of order until the R512s

[R1Toasty 0]

They'll continue on the path they are on now, white interiors, light blue plastic benches, and glossy black plastic. It's the whole sleek modern design thing... but I heard that aerodynamic comment above and I must say I approve of bringing back the slant.

[metsfan 2]

Bullet train?

 

Heh, nah, just a more efficient aerodynamic profile. Right now they are as aerodynamic as a cinderblock. Would save a lot of energy in tunnels and at higher speeds.

 

Also, i think regenerative braking, using the brakes to either store electricity on board for lights etc, or acceleration, or both, or putting it back through thye 3rd rail, or all of the above may come into play. Dynamic braking uses the motors as brakes, but they currently just dissipate the electricity as heat instead of storing it or such.

 

- Andy

[SubwayGuy 2,322]

Also, i think regenerative braking, using the brakes to either store electricity on board for lights etc, or acceleration, or both, or putting it back through thye 3rd rail, or all of the above may come into play. Dynamic braking uses the motors as brakes, but they currently just dissipate the electricity as heat instead of storing it or such.

 

- Andy

 

The new technology trains all have regenerative braking that feeds energy back into the 3rd rail

[MTR Admiralty 4]

I think the design changes every decade. The '60s was the time when the experimented with the exteriors, always with corrugations, and used the classic older interior. The '70s was the R44/46 era, thus a sdignificant redesign. The '80s brought a makeover of the '70s design as well as an IRT version of the design. The NTTs are a symbol of the space age, basically. The 2010 design on the R179s (probably the car after that though) will most likely be different.

 

I would use plug doors for the trains.

[MTR Admiralty 4]

They'll continue on the path they are on now, white interiors, light blue plastic benches, and glossy black plastic. It's the whole sleek modern design thing... but I heard that aerodynamic comment above and I must say I approve of bringing back the slant.

 

Yea, the aerodynamic thing saves ALOT of energy, but the future slants will not look like the ones that are sitting on the deathbed tracks. More curves.

[7LineFan 256]

Yea, the aerodynamic thing saves ALOT of energy, but the future slants will not look like the ones that are sitting on the deathbed tracks. More curves.

 

Again, what about a bullet-style train then?

[MTR Admiralty 4]

again, what about a bullet-style train then?

 

that's it!

[7LineFan 256]

MTR, something like this? Like the first car?

 

[MTR Admiralty 4]

MTR, something like this? Like the first car?

 

 

certainly! and the mta could save money because it doesnt need snow trains. if it snows really bad, they could just send them out to shovel the snow.

[Harry 1,090]

As much as I like the current design of new technology trains I would like to start seeing the next generation of NTTs. Hopefully we wont be disappointed which I think we wont.

[metsfan 2]

As much as I like the current design of new technology trains I would like to start seeing the next generation of NTTs. Hopefully we wont be disappointed which I think we wont.

 

With stuff advancing as fast as it is, i think the next generation of subway cars will be nothing like the ones we have now except a few notions of the current designs as to not alienate people (most people wont care but some outside the RF circle will really notice).

 

- Andy

[Pablo M 201 35]

We'll see how the MTA continues, but the look on the current subways might be on the several for quite a while. We'll see if the MTA will continue with the variety streak they use to have.

[tramrunner 0]

anmely I want their extarior design very similar to one of R42, R40M, etc.

As stylishly shaped as those ones, and as modern as R160ies.

 

is it possible?

[7LineFan 256]

anmely I want their extarior design very similar to one of R42, R40M, etc.

As stylishly shaped as those ones, and as modern as R160ies.

 

is it possible?

 

Most likely. Throwback designs with modern amenities would be cool. Imagine an "R1" with a FIND.

[thirdavel 0]

BMT Standards, Blue Birds and "Q" cars.

[Harry 1,090]

Imagine an "R1" with a FIND.

 

I'm starting to think that the "FIND" was the worst thing to ever happen to the subway. I don't think they're working out like they were supposed to. It's a shame because I like the idea and concept but it just isn't working right.

[error46146 1,007]

yea cause the R160's are cheaply built toys, except for the Alstom ones

 

in case you've noticed, every model starting from R142 has been basically the same design, black front end, red sign, white walls, purple chairs, and i don't think their gonna change that, MTA wants to make our subway boring and standardized sadly

[SubwayGuy 2,322]

yea cause the R160's are cheaply built toys, except for the Alstom ones

 

in case you've noticed, every model starting from R142 has been basically the same design, black front end, red sign, white walls, purple chairs, and i don't think their gonna change that, MTA wants to make our subway boring and standardized sadly

 

Funny, all the older folks I hear from say people said the same things when the SMEEs (R17, R21/22, R26/28/29/33/36, R16, R27/30) were new...

 

40 years from now everyone will be missing the "NTT's"...

[7LineFan 256]

Funny, all the older folks I hear from say people said the same things when the SMEEs (R17, R21/22, R26/28/29/33/36, R16, R27/30) were new...

 

I still think that. Those models were almost exactly the same until you got to the WF varieties, and even they looked pretty darn similar with the exception of the picture windows (which did wonders actually for their appearance).