YankeesPwnMets Posted December 8, 2013 Share #501 Posted December 8, 2013 Peyton Manning was coming off a potentially career threatening injury and was due a $28 million roster bonus. Nobody would pay $28 million to a guy who is coming off four separate career threatening spinal surgeries, which included a spinal fusion. He also had nerve issues in his right shoulder, which could have limited his ability to throw.Not to mention Andrew Luck was on the board that year. Completely different circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted December 8, 2013 Share #502 Posted December 8, 2013 If you're posting this in response to my post I specifically spoke about endorsement deals. I hope I made that clear. BTW is it true that Cano is going to a state with NO income tax ? Q- If you or I was his financial advisor, CPA, or agent, what would be our fiduciary duty to our client ? A- Take the money and run. I know I oversimplified it but you get the drift.so ok, good for him. I am not pissed off cano left. It was 50/50 on if he wanted to stay or not. Of course with the lower taxes out west makes the total value worth more. But it was more about the years than the money. Other than the difference on the taxes, if cano was willing to take 7 yrs rather than the 10, maybe he could've gotten close tot he same amount per yr average the mariners offered. Seattle has no one in the lineup other than him and are years away from playoff contention. So on that note it makes all the talk about winning hollow. But hey, he left and all i can say is i'm happy the yankees didn't try to match the offer. I'm not going to be burning a cano card or jersey. I would just boo him like any other player from the opposing team. No different than anyone else.The last point on the endorsement deals. Ny is the big market, sure griffey was and now ortiz is getting face time on commercials, but cano gets the deals because he's a yankee. He won't be getting as much as a mariner especially once he plays out a few years there. Look at pojlos, ever since his decline on the angels, he's completely forgotten now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainmaster5 Posted December 8, 2013 Share #503 Posted December 8, 2013 Peyton Manning was coming off a potentially career threatening injury and was due a $28 million roster bonus. Nobody would pay $28 million to a guy who is coming off four separate career threatening spinal surgeries, which included a spinal fusion. He also had nerve issues in his right shoulder, which could have limited his ability to throw.Not to mention Andrew Luck was on the board that year. Completely different circumstances. If you look closely we're almost on the same page. All I'm saying is that the athlete has to look out for his/her own responsibilities. The team, be it Yanks, Colts, Cavaliers, Lakers, will dump you in a heartbeat. For some reason fans think that loyalty is a 2-way street. 99% of the time that isn't the case. One injury, ala Peyton Manning, or a Greg Oden, or a Derrick Rose, and that loyal player will wish he got every dollar he could. Watch how fast the fans turn on the player who ends up injured or who suffers a career ending injury. The teams have insurance on the players so they don't care. As for the fans who say A-Rod, Pujols, or Cano are overpaid and greedy I say blame the owners who are willing to shell out that kind of dough. I think the Mariners overpaid Cano but I'm not privy to their finances and they think it was a good investment. At any rate while you, Grand Concourse, and I hash this out I'm sure Robinson and Albert don't care what we think. I'm sure their banks and the IRS won't forget them. Personally I admire two football players, Jim Brown and Barry Sanders, who quit on their own terms. They weren't buying that loyalty crap, either. If either one suffered a major injury how many fans would feel sorry for them ? NONE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted December 8, 2013 Share #504 Posted December 8, 2013 Oh of course, just wanted to clear up what i meant about the endorsement issue. At least it's nice to think how nice some players might take a 'discount' to stay with/go to a team they want to play for than just taking the most money thrown at them. At the end of the day, what the players do or get is their issue. All I care about is the team I'm rooting for has the best players they have to win it all. So none of the jersey burning like the extremists out there. I'd shrug it off the way the players do and life goes on because other than not supporting the team (paying to see the games or the merchandise), there's not much we can do anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GojiMet86 Posted December 10, 2013 Share #505 Posted December 10, 2013 Roy Halladay retired today. He goes off into the sunset with a 203-105 W-L record, a 3.38 ERA, a 67.6 WAR, and 2117 K in 2749 1/3 innings pitched. He was named to 8 All-Stars, won 2 Cy Young awards,and hurled a perfecto in 2010, along with only the second postseason no-hitter. He also finishes with 67 complete games and 20 shutouts, unusual for a modern day pitcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted December 10, 2013 Share #506 Posted December 10, 2013 Was a shame with him lee and oswalt, they never got the team back to the ws. So much for that dream team rotation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted December 11, 2013 Share #507 Posted December 11, 2013 Mets to sign Bartolo Colon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YankeesPwnMets Posted December 11, 2013 Share #508 Posted December 11, 2013 Two years and 20 million for an overweight 40 year old pitcher? Ridiculous. Risky signing because 10 million is a lot and at 41 years old next year, I am not sure whether he will be able to reproduce his success from Oakland. As for the Yankees, they need an infielder. I'm thinking Omar Infante. 3 years and 25 million would be a good deal, but supposedly he's looking for 4 years, which is a bit much. Hopefully Cashman will be able to sign him because Infante can play anywhere except pitcher or catcher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted December 12, 2013 Share #509 Posted December 12, 2013 Roy Halladay retired today. He goes off into the sunset with a 203-105 W-L record, a 3.38 ERA, a 67.6 WAR, and 2117 K in 2749 1/3 innings pitched. He was named to 8 All-Stars, won 2 Cy Young awards,and hurled a perfecto in 2010, along with only the second postseason no-hitter. He also finishes with 67 complete games and 20 shutouts, unusual for a modern day pitcher. IMO, Too many CG's (or at least 8+ IP inning games) in his career did him in..... Crazy the way he just fell off the way he did.... Teams will really be hesitant to have their SP's go a CG anymore (outside of going for a perfect game or no-hitter); and Halladay will be used as the poster child (so to speak) as to how not to bring a young pitcher up into the system.... It's bad enough they're babying these young SP's as it is now...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted December 14, 2013 Share #510 Posted December 14, 2013 On what planet is Omar Infante worth 7.5 mil/year for 4 years ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YankeesPwnMets Posted December 15, 2013 Share #511 Posted December 15, 2013 The Yankees offered him 8 million per year but for 3. But yeah for a player that hadn't really broken out until last year, thats a pretty expensive contract. When you look at it from the Yankees perspective, however, 4 years for 30 million is much cheaper than 4 years for 50 million (ahem Brandon Phillips) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted December 16, 2013 Share #512 Posted December 16, 2013 Oh well, looks like they'll have to stick with the guys they have. They still need another decent starter. I can live with some no name guy at 2b. Also they haven't talked about Nunez at all. Are they trying to make him a dh or part of a trade package? The guy sucks as a fielder, but he does get hits and was probably the only guy that did anything in the 2012 alcs game 4 blowout loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alejr88 Posted December 16, 2013 Author Share #513 Posted December 16, 2013 And Mark Ellis signs with the St. Louis Cardinals. Most likely to help or mentor Kolten Wong. I hope the Yankees do not sign Brian Roberts. And say no to DatDudeBP, too expensive of a contract for somebody who is declining terribly. Start with Kelly Johnson and see what they have from there. God, Omar Infante though. That guy is not worth that much money at all. I guess mediocrity costs this much now and days. And Dan Uggla? All he has is power, that's it. Remember the 3 or 4 errors he made at the '08 All Star Game? He's that terrible defensively too. There's no second basemen out there. Just sign Mark Reynolds to platoon with Johnson, I don't think it's a bad idea. Joba to Detroit? Didn't he said he wanted to be a starter? I guess nobody is going to give him that chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted December 16, 2013 Share #514 Posted December 16, 2013 And Mark Ellis signs with the St. Louis Cardinals. Most likely to help or mentor Kolten Wong. I hope the Yankees do not sign Brian Roberts. And say no to DatDudeBP, too expensive of a contract for somebody who is declining terribly. Start with Kelly Johnson and see what they have from there. God, Omar Infante though. That guy is not worth that much money at all. I guess mediocrity costs this much now and days. And Dan Uggla? All he has is power, that's it. Remember the 3 or 4 errors he made at the '08 All Star Game? He's that terrible defensively too. There's no second basemen out there. Just sign Mark Reynolds to platoon with Johnson, I don't think it's a bad idea. Joba to Detroit? Didn't he said he wanted to be a starter? I guess nobody is going to give him that chance. i would sign roberts to a 1 year deal with incentives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YankeesPwnMets Posted December 17, 2013 Share #515 Posted December 17, 2013 I would only sign Brian Roberts to a minor league contract with an invitation to spring training Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted December 17, 2013 Share #516 Posted December 17, 2013 I would steer clear of Roberts.... I didn't know he was that old (36)... Phillips I would've taken, but not for Gardner & not for that contract he currently has (that the yankees would've had to eat).... Dan Uggla?..... don't make me laugh - He's another Nunez defensively, with more power offensively.... I swear I would stop watching this team if Uggla & Nunez were in the same infield..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted December 17, 2013 Share #517 Posted December 17, 2013 well the yanks signed roberts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YankeesPwnMets Posted December 17, 2013 Share #518 Posted December 17, 2013 The only way that I would have taken Dan Uggla was if the Braves offered in Craig Kimbrel. Then I would have happily eaten all of Uggla's contract. As for Roberts, he will probably suffer another bizzare injury like he always has and pull off a Kevin Youkilis (gets hurt, comes back, then is done for the season) Masahiro Tanaka wants to play in the United States. The Yankees have to go all out for him. A rotation of Tanaka, Nova and Pineda would make one of the best young rotations in baseball, assuming Pineda lives to his potential. Throw in Banuelos, who could still be a top prospect after Tommy John and the future is a whole lot different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alejr88 Posted December 18, 2013 Author Share #519 Posted December 18, 2013 Yeah so the Yankees signed Brian Roberts, umm Eric Chavez anyone? Well if he is healthy, I don't think he'll play everyday. He's most likely a part time player if healthy. Also they signed Thorton, cheaper than what Boone Logan got I guess although his fastball velocity is declining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted December 18, 2013 Share #520 Posted December 18, 2013 As bad a logan was, he was healthy and he did fairly well despite being called on a lot. I won't be surprised he starts breaking down the way scott proctor did eventually. On the roberts thing, eh. Injury prone, but fingers crossed it isnt as bad as youklis or nick johnson. It is incentives laiden so even if he is a bust, it wont be end of the world. Wow already at $170+mil now. Arod needs to be suspended for the whole year, they could sure use his salary to cover another few pitchers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YankeesPwnMets Posted December 18, 2013 Share #521 Posted December 18, 2013 Boone Logan was 19-7 with a 3.38 ERA during his time with the Yankees. I wouldn't exactly call him bad. As for him breaking down, I doubt it. He's a left handed specialist. These guys only pitch 30-40 innings a season. ARod definitely should be suspended. He deserves it. The Yankees would probably have to pay $15-$20 million a year for Masahiro Tanaka if he's posted, so it would definitely help to take ARod's $31 million off the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted December 19, 2013 Share #522 Posted December 19, 2013 Honestly, I'd rather have Logan over Thornton..... Thornton is basically a left-handed Farnsworth... not much movement to his "plus" fastball at all.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43LTD Posted December 19, 2013 Share #523 Posted December 19, 2013 Crazy off season... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GojiMet86 Posted December 19, 2013 Share #524 Posted December 19, 2013 Chien-Ming Wang signed with the Cincinnati Reds. I can't believe it's almost 6 six years since he had that accident down at Houston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted December 19, 2013 Share #525 Posted December 19, 2013 Carlos Beltran offically signed, Press Conference at 11 am tommrrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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