bobtehpanda Posted January 18, 2015 Share #1851 Posted January 18, 2015 Lazy people?? Let's see you walk up and down those massive hills every day... Don't you know if you're disabled, old, carrying a lot of bags, or just tired, you're a burden on society and that's your own fault? Some of the people on these forums... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted January 18, 2015 Share #1852 Posted January 18, 2015 Don't you know if you're disabled, old, carrying a lot of bags, or just tired, you're a burden on society and that's your own fault? Some of the people on these forums... What?? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted January 18, 2015 Share #1853 Posted January 18, 2015 What?? He was being ironic. Not directed towards you, more like a co-sign with what you're saying 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted January 18, 2015 Share #1854 Posted January 18, 2015 He was being ironic. Not directed towards you, more like a co-sign with what you're saying I certainly hope so... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted January 18, 2015 Share #1855 Posted January 18, 2015 Lazy people?? Let's see you walk up and down those massive hills every day...use m100. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted January 18, 2015 Share #1856 Posted January 18, 2015 Don't you know if you're disabled, old, carrying a lot of bags, or just tired, you're a burden on society and that's your own fault? Some of the people on these forums... the many deserve to be priority. Then the rest can follow. Stop making excuses to justify inefficient routes and segments. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotham Bus Co. Posted January 18, 2015 Share #1857 Posted January 18, 2015 He was being ironic. Not directed towards you, more like a co-sign with what you're saying That co-sign went off on a tangent. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted January 18, 2015 Share #1858 Posted January 18, 2015 the many deserve to be priority. Then the rest can follow. Stop making excuses to justify inefficient routes and segments. What "inefficient" local bus route are you complaining about now?? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted January 18, 2015 Share #1859 Posted January 18, 2015 That co-sign went off on a tangent. I see what you did there lol... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted January 18, 2015 Share #1860 Posted January 18, 2015 I certainly hope so... It was an ironic statement. With the attitude of some of the members here towards people of less able-bodied means, you'd think that we were living in the '40s or something. the many deserve to be priority. Then the rest can follow. Stop making excuses to justify inefficient routes and segments. Right, and this is coming from the person who will bend over backwards to try and get a bus route onto a highway... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted January 18, 2015 Share #1861 Posted January 18, 2015 one way to do it is eliminate bx22 service to Lehman college and reroute service to marble hill MNRR via the station. Or at the medical center then boost service past Fordham. Now bx22& 19 act as bx9's local branches and bx9 becomes full time LTD. I would support running Bx22's inside the medical center if artics were to be revoked off that line.... However, Bx22 service past Fordham should not be "boosted" - regardless of where it would be diverted to..... Too much of the Bx22's overall ridership is represented/illustrated with the short turned buses.... As far as diverting Bx22 service so that the Bx9 become a full time LTD, I don't think you quite thought this through... You would make the Bx9 more of a supplement than it already is.... You don't put LTD's on supplementary routes.... Have the MTA carry out what you're presenting here, the Bx22 would end up with LTD SBS (which is the new sheriff in town now, so to speak) service - especially if you run it to Broadway! You'd be introducing the Bx22 to more of the Bx9 route; which would be detrimental to the Bx9 - even if you throw LTD service onto it.... No way would they additionally have the Bx22 (which already carries, coming from Castle Hill & Parkchester) serve a thriving market like that (Marble Hill - Fordham travel) & have it not have a LTD/SBS complement - Which goes back to what you said about boosting service on the Bx22 if it were to be sent there.... Having as many Bx22's and Bx9's run between Marble Hill & Fordham is overkill - That defeats the entire purpose of even suggesting Bx9 LTD service! The Bx9 is one of these compact routes (I call em) that heavily thrives because it makes the stops that it does.... Another route that fits that same bill (so to speak) is the B1..... Way I see it, the MTA would be better off leaving the Bx9 as a local - even if the ride b/w Riverdale & Fordham is slow as hell - which is a reason why you have some that believe the Bx9 shouldn't even run past Fordham from the north (meaning, not serving the neighborhoods of E. Tremont & W. Farms).....A problem with that is, you can't have the Bx19 also running to Fordham... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted January 19, 2015 Share #1862 Posted January 19, 2015 It was an ironic statement. With the attitude of some of the members here towards people of less able-bodied means, you'd think that we were living in the '40s or something. Right, and this is coming from the person who will bend over backwards to try and get a bus route onto a highway... why don't you come up with another fast way to connect major points if not STHU. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted January 19, 2015 Share #1863 Posted January 19, 2015 I would support running Bx22's inside the medical center if artics were to be revoked off that line.... However, Bx22 service past Fordham should not be "boosted" - regardless of where it would be diverted to..... Too much of the Bx22's overall ridership is represented/illustrated with the short turned buses.... As far as diverting Bx22 service so that the Bx9 become a full time LTD, I don't think you quite thought this through... You would make the Bx9 more of a supplement than it already is.... You don't put LTD's on supplementary routes.... Have the MTA carry out what you're presenting here, the Bx22 would end up with LTD SBS (which is the new sheriff in town now, so to speak) service - especially if you run it to Broadway! You'd be introducing the Bx22 to more of the Bx9 route; which would be detrimental to the Bx9 - even if you throw LTD service onto it.... No way would they additionally have the Bx22 (which already carries, coming from Castle Hill & Parkchester) serve a thriving market like that (Marble Hill - Fordham travel) & have it not have a LTD/SBS complement - Which goes back to what you said about boosting service on the Bx22 if it were to be sent there.... Having as many Bx22's and Bx9's run between Marble Hill & Fordham is overkill - That defeats the entire purpose of even suggesting Bx9 LTD service! The Bx9 is one of these compact routes (I call em) that heavily thrives because it makes the stops that it does.... Another route that fits that same bill (so to speak) is the B1..... Way I see it, the MTA would be better off leaving the Bx9 as a local - even if the ride b/w Riverdale & Fordham is slow as hell - which is a reason why you have some that believe the Bx9 shouldn't even run past Fordham from the north (meaning, not serving the neighborhoods of E. Tremont & W. Farms).....A problem with that is, you can't have the Bx19 also running to Fordham... interesting take I missed how long bx22 is. OK what if bx10 was rerouted to be bx9's local variant between marble hill & Fordham. With bx26 going to 231st via Bailey. Bx9 will still be local on Broadway in Riverdale 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43 Floral Park Posted January 19, 2015 Share #1864 Posted January 19, 2015 interesting take I missed how long bx22 is. OK what if bx10 was rerouted to be bx9's local variant between marble hill & Fordham. With bx26 going to 231st via Bailey. Bx9 will still be local on Broadway in Riverdale 225 and 231 are bad places to terminate a route unless it's going straight to KB afterwards. You could turn at 231/Riverdale Av but you don't have room for 5 routes to use the W/B stop at Broadway Altering the 10/26 gives Bx26 riders a connection to the Bx9 again but leads to a 2 seat ride from Riverdale/Kingsbridge to Norwood (montefiore). It might be easier to add a new route than to try rerouting the current NW Bronx bus routes. This is why I suggested having something comparable to the old Bx24 coming back. The Bx9 needs coverage between Marble Hill-Fordham BID and the Bx7 needs it between 231-263. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BxM4Woodlawn Posted January 19, 2015 Share #1865 Posted January 19, 2015 225 and 231 are bad places to terminate a route unless it's going straight to KB afterwards. You could turn at 231/Riverdale Av but you don't have room for 5 routes to use the W/B stop at Broadway Altering the 10/26 gives Bx26 riders a connection to the Bx9 again but leads to a 2 seat ride from Riverdale/Kingsbridge to Norwood (montefiore). It might be easier to add a new route than to try rerouting the current NW Bronx bus routes. This is why I suggested having something comparable to the old Bx24 coming back. The Bx9 needs coverage between Marble Hill-Fordham BID and the Bx7 needs it between 231-263. I would bring the old Bx24 back. That was a really good route, although it would need a new number, perhaps Bx14. (pretty ironic since the former Bx14 is now the Bx24) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted January 19, 2015 Share #1866 Posted January 19, 2015 225 and 231 are bad places to terminate a route unless it's going straight to KB afterwards. You could turn at 231/Riverdale Av but you don't have room for 5 routes to use the W/B stop at Broadway Altering the 10/26 gives Bx26 riders a connection to the Bx9 again but leads to a 2 seat ride from Riverdale/Kingsbridge to Norwood (montefiore). It might be easier to add a new route than to try rerouting the current NW Bronx bus routes. This is why I suggested having something comparable to the old Bx24 coming back. The Bx9 needs coverage between Marble Hill-Fordham BID and the Bx7 needs it between 231-263. I would bring the old Bx24 back. That was a really good route, although it would need a new number, perhaps Bx14. (pretty ironic since the former Bx14 is now the Bx24) I don't see the point. Make the Bx7 and Bx10 more reliable in Riverdale and call it a day. Still too many buses bunching like crazy. The Bx10 in the mornings can run 3 - 4 in a pack to Riverdale. I watch in amazement as I'm on the express bus coming down the hills on Kappock and on Johnson. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43 Floral Park Posted January 19, 2015 Share #1867 Posted January 19, 2015 (edited) I don't see the point. Make the Bx7 and Bx10 more reliable in Riverdale and call it a day. Still too many buses bunching like crazy. The Bx10 in the mornings can run 3 - 4 in a pack to Riverdale. I watch in amazement as I'm on the express bus coming down the hills on Kappock and on Johnson. That bus bunching is occurring on most of KBs routes. I watched 4 Bx3s do that last night on a Sunday when the headways shouldn't allow for more than 2 buses to be in the same place at the same time. They plan to add more 7/10 runs in April but I wonder: will an increase in headways on these routes make bunching more or less probable? We were discussing the Bx9 as well but you didn't comment on that part so I'd like to know why you only seem to care about the needs of a small part of the NW Bronx when everyone else is attempting to look at the big picture? What I'd really love to know is, where are the dispatchers along these routes? Edited January 19, 2015 by Q43 Floral Park 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted January 19, 2015 Share #1868 Posted January 19, 2015 That bus bunching is occurring on most of KBs routes. I watched 4 Bx3s do that last night on a Sunday when the headways shouldn't allow for more than 2 buses to be in the same place at the same time. They plan to add more 7/10 runs in April but I wonder: will an increase in headways on these routes make bunching more or less probable? We were discussing the Bx9 as well but you didn't comment on that part so I'd like to know why you only seem to care about the needs of a small part of the NW part of NYC when everyone else is attempting to look at the big picture? What I'd really love to know is, where are the dispatchers along these routes? Hmm... Maybe because the Bx7 and Bx10 runs where I live at in upstairs Riverdale? How about that. I have used both the Bx7 and Bx10 in the years that I have lived here (probably less than 5 times combined, but nonetheless I have used them) usually due to missing the last express bus, so naturally I would care more about them than the Bx9, which I have no need for. Anytime I am along Broadway, it is because I need to refill my express bus Metrocard at 242nd and from there I will walk to 246th and Broadway for the BxM3. Since I don't use the Bx9 nor live near it, it would be wise of me not to speak about it since I don't have any idea how it runs, etc., aside from when I see them along Broadway when I am on the express bus heading to or from Riverdale. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43 Floral Park Posted January 19, 2015 Share #1869 Posted January 19, 2015 Hmm... Maybe because the Bx7 and Bx10 runs where I live at in upstairs Riverdale? How about that. I have used both the Bx7 and Bx10 in the years that I have lived here (probably less than 5 times combined, but nonetheless I have used them) usually due to missing the last express bus, so naturally I would care more about them than the Bx9, which I have no need for. Anytime I am along Broadway, it is because I need to refill my express bus Metrocard at 242nd and from there I will walk to 246th and Broadway for the BxM3. Since I don't use the Bx9 nor live near it, it would be wise of me not to speak about it since I don't have any idea how it runs, etc., aside from when I see them along Broadway when I am on the express bus heading to or from Riverdale. You ride the Bx7/10 erratically at best and aren't familiar with the ridership and routes in your own backyard/surrounding communities. That's probably why you wouldn't see the point of killing two birds with one stone even when it's been broken down to you. How do you fix bus bunching? B35: I worry about removing the Bx22 from Goulden because it does see usage from the students along the corridor. does the Bx22 really need Artics? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted January 19, 2015 Share #1870 Posted January 19, 2015 You ride the Bx7/10 erratically at best and aren't familiar with the ridership and routes in your own backyard/surrounding communities. That's probably why you wouldn't see the point of killing two birds with one stone even when it's been broken down to you. How do you fix bus bunching? Yes, because I'm an express bus and Metro-North rider, so naturally I would care about the express buses more and commuter rail service. Pretty simple concept to understand. You fix bus bunching by identifying where the backups occur and addressing them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted January 19, 2015 Share #1871 Posted January 19, 2015 You ride the Bx7/10 erratically at best and aren't familiar with the ridership and routes in your own backyard/surrounding communities. That's probably why you wouldn't see the point of killing two birds with one stone even when it's been broken down to you. How do you fix bus bunching? B35: I worry about removing the Bx22 from Goulden because it does see usage from the students along the corridor. does the Bx22 really need Artics? why just use the . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted January 19, 2015 Share #1872 Posted January 19, 2015 why just use the . Use the for what? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43 Floral Park Posted January 19, 2015 Share #1873 Posted January 19, 2015 Yes, because I'm an express bus and Metro-North rider, so naturally I would care about the express buses more and commuter rail service. Pretty simple concept to understand. You fix bus bunching by identifying where the backups occur and addressing them. So why are you commenting on my local bus proposal and deeming it pointless when that isnt in your area of expertise? If it is a simple concept, tell me where are those points lie along the Bx7/10 routes and how you would address them? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted January 19, 2015 Share #1874 Posted January 19, 2015 (edited) So why are you commenting on my local bus proposal and deeming it pointless when that isnt in your area of expertise? If it is a simple concept, tell me where are those points lie along the Bx7/10 routes and how you would address them? Goodness... You know understanding local buses is such a complicated thing... It's pretty simple... The Bx7 gets stuck along Broadway and the Bx10 gets stuck east of Broadway and 231st. I know my neighborhood well enough to know that there aren't any major choke points from North Riverdale down to Spuyten Duyvil. The solution is simple.... Put dispatchers on the route at the choke points to get better use of the buses and reduce bunching, and run MORE shuttles where possible from 231st and Broadway up to Riverdale. As a Riverdalian, I really could care less about the other segments of the route, be it Manhattan or the Bronx. I would have shuttles run to benefit Riverdalians, meaning more shuttle buses to 231st in the morning, and more shuttle buses TO Riverdale at night. The folks going down the hill in the Bronx east of Broadway don't need that much service, as what they have is sufficient enough. Same thing goes for the Bx7 in Manhattan. Edited January 20, 2015 by Via Garibaldi 8 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted January 20, 2015 Share #1875 Posted January 20, 2015 Goodness... You know understanding local buses is such a complicated thing... It's pretty simple... The Bx7 gets stuck along Broadway and the Bx10 gets stuck east of Broadway and 231st. I know my neighborhood well enough to know that there aren't any major choke points from North Riverdale down to Spuyten Duyvil. The solution is simple.... Put dispatchers on the route at the choke points to get better use of the buses and reduce bunching, and run MORE shuttles where possible from 231st and Broadway up to Riverdale. As a Riverdalian, I really could care less about the other segments of the route, be it Manhattan or the Bronx. I would have shuttles run to benefit Riverdalians, meaning more shuttle buses to 231st in the morning, and more shuttle buses TO Riverdale at night. The folks going down the hill in the Bronx east of Broadway don't need that much service, as what they have is sufficient enough. Same thing goes for the Bx7 in Manhattan. you just explained why the bx7 has no business going south of inwood thanks a lot lol. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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