R211 Discussion Thread

[JayJay85]

On 6/20/2023 at 10:58 PM, subwaycommuter1983 said:

The r68's cannot stay on the BD once 8th Avenue CBTC is done. R68's are not equipped with CBTC.

Your right just in case of reroutes, such as  running on 8th Avenue line from 59 St to W 4th St, we could have a small period of time up to a year until option 2 R211's comes in few R68's will be stuck on  or  .

[RSMG106]

As of this time, here is where the R211 rolling stock is currently at:

Pitkin Yard:
R211A: 4060-4069 (Pilot Set), 4080-4089. (4065-4069 are under inspection)

Coney Island Yard:
R211T: 4040-4049 (Hard Shell), 4050-4059 (Soft Shell)

R211A: 4070-4079, 4090-4094 (4095-4099 is expected to leave South Brooklyn Railway overnight, and transfer to Coney Island Yard)

R211S: 100-104 (It will be transferred to Clifton Yard later this month)

Currently, there are 40 R211As, 20 R211Ts, and 5 R211S. Making a total of 65 R211 Type Cars.

 

Edited June 22, 2023 by RSMG106

[subwaycommuter1983]

11 hours ago, JayJay85 said:

Your right just in case of reroutes, such as  running on 8th Avenue line from 59 St to W 4th St, we could have a small period of time up to a year until option 2 R211's comes in few R68's will be stuck on  or  .

8th Avenue CBTC includes 59th Street. Therefore, all r68's have to leave the B/D.

That's why Concourse will most likely get a good chunk of the 1st option order.

There are still rumors that the B may move to Concourse. I don't know how that's going to work out.

Edited June 22, 2023 by subwaycommuter1983

[AZthefoamer]

My guess is that because of capacity reasons QBL (likely E and F) will get R211s and the B and D can get the R160 sets from the E and F.

[darkstar8983]

1 hour ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

8th Avenue CBTC includes 59th Street. Therefore, all r68's have to leave the B/D.

That's why Concourse will most likely get a good chunk of the 1st option order.

There are still rumors that the B may move to Concourse. I don't know how that's going to work out.

the  may just stay in Coney Island, but yes Coney Island maintenance will need to be up to snuff to handle NTT trains again (just they'll be assigned mainly to the  rather than the  this time around). There is enough storage space and CI can handle two types of equipment (it has done so  and  continues to do so to this day).

[CenSin]

4 hours ago, darkstar8983 said:

There is enough storage space and CI can handle two types of equipment (it has done so  and  continues to do so to this day).

Off-topic, but assuming this is the case and reamains the case once SAS gets far enough along, perhaps the ’s trains could be based out of Coney Island Yard. For morning rush, s end at 125 Street and continue in service as s. For evening rush, s head back to Coney Island as s.

[Kamen Rider]

13 hours ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

8th Avenue CBTC includes 59th Street. Therefore, all r68's have to leave the B/D.

That's why Concourse will most likely get a good chunk of the 1st option order.

There are still rumors that the B may move to Concourse. I don't know how that's going to work out.

That’s not how CBTC works. Just because the A and C will begin using it there, does not mean that the B and D need it just because of 59th.

it’s because we will need them to be compatible if they’re sent further down 8th avenue.

[darkstar8983]

5 hours ago, Kamen Rider said:

That’s not how CBTC works. Just because the A and C will begin using it there, does not mean that the B and D need it just because of 59th.

it’s because we will need them to be compatible if they’re sent further down 8th avenue.

1). Yes even though CBTC territory is stated to start at 59’St, it may be just south of the  interlocking, so TECHNICALLY the NTTs wouldn’t be needed.

 

2). the  will have to get upgraded regardless because of the 8 Av reroutes possible, similar to how the  will need to be upgraded once 6 Av CBTC is up and running 

[AZthefoamer]

Either B/D or N/Q/W will get NTTs and the other will get SMEEs, and it makes more sense for B/D to get NTTs.

[subwaycommuter1983]

2 hours ago, darkstar8983 said:

1). Yes even though CBTC territory is stated to start at 59’St, it may be just south of the  interlocking, so TECHNICALLY the NTTs wouldn’t be needed.

 

2). the  will have to get upgraded regardless because of the 8 Av reroutes possible, similar to how the  will need to be upgraded once 6 Av CBTC is up and running 

That's definitely going to happen, especially once work on 6th Avenue CBTC begins, that's when we're going to see a lot of reroutings via 8th Avenue particularly on the D, which runs 24/7. The F will also get rerouted, but the F already has NTTs.

[Bill from Maspeth]

21 hours ago, darkstar8983 said:

the  may just stay in Coney Island, but yes Coney Island maintenance will need to be up to snuff to handle NTT trains again (just they'll be assigned mainly to the  rather than the  this time around). There is enough storage space and CI can handle two types of equipment (it has done so  and  continues to do so to this day).

As noted in the past, Concourse barn, with 3 tracks including one for wheel truing, does not have enough room to inspect and repair trouble cars for 2 long mileage routes.  CIYD has plenty of room to continue to maintain the number of cars for the B line.  CCYD can continue to store, but not maintain, B cars between the rush hours, overnights and weekends.

It's beyond comprehension why this thought process of CCYD being able to possibly maintain both the B and D fleets continues to be bought up every few months.

[RandomRider0101]

28 minutes ago, Bill from Maspeth said:

As noted in the past, Concourse barn, with 3 tracks including one for wheel truing, does not have enough room to inspect and repair trouble cars for 2 long mileage routes.  CIYD has plenty of room to continue to maintain the number of cars for the B line.  CCYD can continue to store, but not maintain, B cars between the rush hours, overnights and weekends.

It's beyond comprehension why this thought process of CCYD being able to possibly maintain both the B and D fleets continues to be bought up every few months.

This has been explained many times and people just don't seem to get it. Unless the & are switching yards, there is no reason for the to move to Concourse. It is just fine at Coney Island yard.

 

[JayJay85]

22 hours ago, darkstar8983 said:

the  may just stay in Coney Island, but yes Coney Island maintenance will need to be up to snuff to handle NTT trains again (just they'll be assigned mainly to the  rather than the  this time around). There is enough storage space and CI can handle two types of equipment (it has done so  and  continues to do so to this day).

Those NTT trains (R211s or R160) could show up on  on weekends when the  is not running, yep CI can handle two types of equipment they always have been in the past.

[Kamen Rider]

4 hours ago, darkstar8983 said:

1). Yes even though CBTC territory is stated to start at 59’St, it may be just south of the  interlocking, so TECHNICALLY the NTTs wouldn’t be needed.

 

2). the  will have to get upgraded regardless because of the 8 Av reroutes possible, similar to how the  will need to be upgraded once 6 Av CBTC is up and running 

It's still a smidge more complicated than that, but I'll leave that for the CBTC threads.

1 hour ago, Bill from Maspeth said:

It's beyond comprehension why this thought process of CCYD being able to possibly maintain both the B and D fleets continues to be bought up every few months.

I think it's because, at least for some of the armchair transit planners, the work DCE does is an afterthought for them at best. They don't know how long it takes for a train to be inspected and to correct whatever problems the come up. 

 

I had a post GO put-in from CCYD several months back, my partner does all his inspections, we're almost set to go, when we notice one of the end doors would not lock.

Call it in, and within 5 minutes we had an RCI and two guys from the shop who spent a good 15 minutes pulling the lock apart from the backside (removing the whole panel off the #2 end cab wall where the offside enabler would be) and repositioning it to get the door to stay closed. The got it in place, and we made our interval. 

watching that, I since have had nothing but the greatest respect for them. 

[subwaycommuter1983]

45 minutes ago, JayJay85 said:

Those NTT trains (R211s or R160) could show up on  on weekends when the  is not running, yep CI can handle two types of equipment they always have been in the past.

Option 2 will allow the NQW to get some of their r160's back. It makes much more sense for Jamaica to get option 2 due to ridership.

[Lawrence St]

So it seems there was another reset we didn’t know about, as rumors are still floating around that it’s in 30 day testing. 

[AZthefoamer]

11 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

So it seems there was another reset we didn’t know about, as rumors are still floating around that it’s in 30 day testing. 

That does not surprise me, hopefully it reset early in the cycle if so.

[Kamen Rider]

There wasn’t. She’s having some modifications done to correct for earlier flaws. She did not run yesterday.

[RedLine]

It already passed.

[ABOGbrooklyn]

What's going on? Did the 211s pass the 30 day or fail?

[Reptile]

29 minutes ago, ABOGbrooklyn said:

What's going on? Did the 211s pass the 30 day or fail?

Passed. They're going into the facilities to fix some issues that weren't bad enough to restart the test and then they're rolling out every R211A they have. R211Ts and R211Ss will do their 30 days I think later this summer.

[subwaycommuter1983]

2 hours ago, ABOGbrooklyn said:

What's going on? Did the 211s pass the 30 day or fail?

Passed. The production trains need to do burn in testing before entering service.

[ABOGbrooklyn]

2 hours ago, Reptile said:

Passed. They're going into the facilities to fix some issues that weren't bad enough to restart the test and then they're rolling out every R211A they have. R211Ts and R211Ss will do their 30 days I think later this summer.

About damn time! Let's go! The R46s (although I will miss them) need to go!

[Lawrence St]

7 hours ago, Kamen Rider said:

There wasn’t. She’s having some modifications done to correct for earlier flaws. She did not run yesterday.

I stand corrected.

[Ale188]

40 minutes ago, subwaycommuter1983 said:

Passed. The production trains need to do burn in testing before entering service.

They already did burn in like a month or 2 ago