FLX9304 Posted August 10, 2023 Share #5901 Posted August 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Ale188 said: So now we have these cars delivered: R211S: 100-104 (5 cars or 1 5-car train) R211T: 4040-4059 (1 hard shell & soft shell) (20 cars or 2 10-car trains) R211A: 4060-4099, 4110-4129 (60 cars or 6 10-car sets) All that equals 85 total R211s delivered! 30 cars in service 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBTA Posted August 11, 2023 Share #5902 Posted August 11, 2023 12 hours ago, AZthefoamer said: I would not trust Wikipedia's numbers very much. I believe more than 70 are built currently. Yeah there’s probably 130+ built, probably even more than that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ale188 Posted August 11, 2023 Share #5903 Posted August 11, 2023 1 hour ago, FLX9304 said: 30 cars in service Ik that, I was gonna add that but we all know that much cars are in service. So I thought 'MAW not add it.' and kept it at that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris89292 Posted August 11, 2023 Share #5904 Posted August 11, 2023 So if we got the third set running then we’ll most likely see the fourth set run in a couple of weeks??? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ale188 Posted August 11, 2023 Share #5905 Posted August 11, 2023 59 minutes ago, Chris89292 said: So if we got the third set running then we’ll most likely see the fourth set run in a couple of weeks??? Yeah, most likely. I’m pretty sure the MTA doesn’t want just one set in service for every month…I’m expecting it to get into service next week or the week after. Yes, Thursday as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade96 Posted August 11, 2023 Share #5906 Posted August 11, 2023 they need to stop stalling and qualify more crews for them 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLX9304 Posted August 11, 2023 Share #5907 Posted August 11, 2023 9 hours ago, Ale188 said: Ik that, I was gonna add that but we all know that much cars are in service. So I thought 'MAW not add it.' and kept it at that. Never think otherwise. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil 57 Posted August 11, 2023 Share #5908 Posted August 11, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, Comrade96 said: they need to stop stalling and qualify more crews for them The crews don’t want to get qualified on them. Gonna be a lot of union negotiations before qualifications speed up. But at some point it’s gonna be either get qualified or leave. The r46s need to be replaced ASAP. Edited August 11, 2023 by Lil 57 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJHmarc Posted August 11, 2023 Share #5909 Posted August 11, 2023 6 hours ago, Comrade96 said: they need to stop stalling and qualify more crews for them The mta had planned to have 5 sets running from start. 211’s are not even running overnight due to the crews rejections. Seems like a union fight is coming towards the mta as more 211’s enter service. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ale188 Posted August 11, 2023 Share #5910 Posted August 11, 2023 4 hours ago, FLX9304 said: Never think otherwise. Alright, I do need to learn that lesson tho 😂😂 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subwaycommuter1983 Posted August 11, 2023 Share #5911 Posted August 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Lil 57 said: The crews don’t want to get qualified on them. Gonna be a lot of union negotiations before qualifications speed up. But at some point it’s gonna be either get qualified or leave. The r46s need to be replaced ASAP. I just hope that those crew members that refuse to get qualified are doing what they're supposed to be doing in regards to operating a train. The fact that they are refusing to operate a train due to cameras show that they are a safety hazard for passengers cause they don't care about the safety of the passengers. Keep in mind that if they leave the MTA to work somewhere else, they are going to be surrounded by cameras. Employees shouldn't be afraid of cameras unless they have something to hide. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jchambers2120 Posted August 11, 2023 Share #5912 Posted August 11, 2023 2 hours ago, subwaycommuter1983 said: I just hope that those crew members that refuse to get qualified are doing what they're supposed to be doing in regards to operating a train. The fact that they are refusing to operate a train due to cameras show that they are a safety hazard for passengers cause they don't care about the safety of the passengers. Keep in mind that if they leave the MTA to work somewhere else, they are going to be surrounded by cameras. Employees shouldn't be afraid of cameras unless they have something to hide. I really wonder where some of you are getting this “info” from that train crews can refuse to undergo qualifications training. With the way this agency itches to discipline people over the slightest thing I promise you’re being fed bad info. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLX9304 Posted August 11, 2023 Share #5913 Posted August 11, 2023 43 minutes ago, Jchambers2120 said: I really wonder where some of you are getting this “info” from that train crews can refuse to undergo qualifications training. With the way this agency itches to discipline people over the slightest thing I promise you’re being fed bad info. One thing is another, but come on!!! Cameras isn’t one of those. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamen Rider Posted August 11, 2023 Share #5914 Posted August 11, 2023 I know a lot of people have been putting 4040/9 and 4050/9 down saying “oh, they’re just going to end up on the shuttle, gangway cars won’t work” blah blah blah… but you’re forgetting one tiny detail… they’re still prototypes. A production 211T could have a completely different set up. It could include functionalities that the two we have now won’t. the prototype of the “Bluebird” multi-section train didn’t come with couplers, for crying out loud. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted August 11, 2023 Share #5915 Posted August 11, 2023 5 hours ago, subwaycommuter1983 said: I just hope that those crew members that refuse to get qualified are doing what they're supposed to be doing in regards to operating a train. The fact that they are refusing to operate a train due to cameras show that they are a safety hazard for passengers cause they don't care about the safety of the passengers. Keep in mind that if they leave the MTA to work somewhere else, they are going to be surrounded by cameras. Employees shouldn't be afraid of cameras unless they have something to hide. The sense of entitlement in this post is outstanding. Who are you to tell people with 30+ years on the job to go get another if they don’t like cameras? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris89292 Posted August 11, 2023 Share #5916 Posted August 11, 2023 27 minutes ago, Lawrence St said: The sense of entitlement in this post is outstanding. Who are you to tell people with 30+ years on the job to go get another if they don’t like cameras? That’s what they get paid for, if they don’t like it they can find another spot or quit overall, no big deal, the people want new trains, it’s a must, not an option 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1998NewFlyer Posted August 11, 2023 Share #5917 Posted August 11, 2023 24 minutes ago, Chris89292 said: That’s what they get paid for, if they don’t like it they can find another spot or quit overall, no big deal, the people want new trains, it’s a must, not an option Or MTA can just remove the camera out the cab 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJHmarc Posted August 11, 2023 Share #5918 Posted August 11, 2023 10 minutes ago, 1998NewFlyer said: Or MTA can just remove the camera out the cab Or reposition 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted August 12, 2023 Share #5919 Posted August 12, 2023 1 hour ago, MJHmarc said: Or reposition Yes! Why can’t they just reposition the cameras? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainmaster5 Posted August 12, 2023 Share #5920 Posted August 12, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, Jchambers2120 said: I really wonder where some of you are getting this “info” from that train crews can refuse to undergo qualifications training. With the way this agency itches to discipline people over the slightest thing I promise you’re being fed bad info. Finally, a post with some common sense. That's my personal opinion. They've got maybe four or five test trains running around now ? If you're a relatively new employee perhaps you've been trained on this equipment and feel comfortable operating it. I was on the road when the R62 class of cars were introduced to the IRT. I was more comfortable with the older pre-Redbird cars because that's what I trained on. Through my various job assignments , transfers, utility, extra list and such I decided that I'd rather work the line rather than the solely because of the equipment. I had the seniority plus, to me, the Kawasaki cars sucked. Some of my classmates felt the opposite way and they went the route. Another group of us never worked a road job and stayed on work trains and transfers. When the R142 cars came to the IRT it was still a personal choice. We all trained on the equipment but those of us with seniority pretty much stayed with what we were comfortable with. I listened to the radio chatter between supervision, local and division wide, I was apprehensive when the R142 cars came to the line but I personally stuck with it to the end of my career. Things like the train computer saying that I overshot a station by 80 feet after a perfect 10 car stop with 2 TSS's. standing next to me. How about the announcements and the side sign displays vanishing enroute ? That happened to me a few times when the cars were introduced. Things like announcement not synching up with the train's actual location. Some of these folks should read Kamen Rider's posts or those of RTOman.and understand what they're trying to convey to everyone. I understand that many posters can't wait for the new cars to enter service. Thing is I read the website, forums and such but most of the train troubles seem to be related to switch problems, disruptive riders, debris on the tracks, dirty cars and door problems. If you believe that the introduction of these new cars will make these problems vanish I've got a bridge to sell you. I don't think the cameras have anything to do with the cars themselves. My opinions. Carry on. Edited August 12, 2023 by Trainmaster5 additional thought 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subwaycommuter1983 Posted August 12, 2023 Share #5921 Posted August 12, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Lawrence St said: The sense of entitlement in this post is outstanding. Who are you to tell people with 30+ years on the job to go get another if they don’t like cameras? Well you need to work on your reading skills. Where in the post did I mention that train crews need to leave the MTA and work somewhere else??? Even if they decide to quit the MTA. Guess what?? They are going to have to deal with cameras in other jobs. Also, why do you take the r211's camera situation so personal? Don't you understand that it's for the safety of everyone?? Edited August 12, 2023 by subwaycommuter1983 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris89292 Posted August 12, 2023 Share #5922 Posted August 12, 2023 4 hours ago, 1998NewFlyer said: Or MTA can just remove the camera out the cab Then we should remove the LED lights off the doors too since it has no purpose to me as a rider…….. looks like we can’t agree on this situation, but keep in mind when you work at any place, there will be security cameras, I don’t understand your logic 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris89292 Posted August 12, 2023 Share #5923 Posted August 12, 2023 At this point someone should create a “Should cameras be installed on cabs” thread to continue with this argument 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ale188 Posted August 12, 2023 Share #5924 Posted August 12, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Chris89292 said: At this point someone should create a “Should cameras be installed on cabs” thread to continue with this argument I will. And I just did. Edited August 12, 2023 by Ale188 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxwell179 Posted August 12, 2023 Share #5925 Posted August 12, 2023 3 hours ago, Ale188 said: I will. And I just did. I’m pretty sure they were being satire, there’s literally no reason for you to create that thread 😂. Nothing any of you say in this pointless argument will affect the build of these subway cars. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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