T to Dyre Avenue Posted August 17, 2023 Share #5976 Posted August 17, 2023 10 minutes ago, Comrade96 said: trust me and kamen rider, itll be wayyyy more headache than its worth You buffs dont know squat Excuse me, but I’ve been riding the subway for the better part of the past 45 years. I think I know a hell of a lot more than “squat” about the system when I show interest in it. And I really don’t think making a suggestion to add more capacity to the line should be dismissed as being a “buff who don’t know squat!” You see, this agency (and its predecessors) has a history of saying “no can do” to suggestions made by the riding public, even when other transit agencies prove successful with the exact same suggestions. At least give me a real reason why 9-car 179 trains would be more trouble than it’s worth to operate. Instead of saying I know squat. Is that really too much to ask? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade96 Posted August 17, 2023 Share #5977 Posted August 17, 2023 16 minutes ago, T to Dyre Avenue said: Excuse me, but I’ve been riding the subway for the better part of the past 45 years. I think I know a hell of a lot more than “squat” about the system when I show interest in it. And I really don’t think making a suggestion to add more capacity to the line should be dismissed as being a “buff who don’t know squat!” You see, this agency (and its predecessors) has a history of saying “no can do” to suggestions made by the riding public, even when other transit agencies prove successful with the exact same suggestions. At least give me a real reason why 9-car 179 trains would be more trouble than it’s worth to operate. Instead of saying I know squat. Is that really too much to ask? riding the subway for an x amount of time = / = working down here Kamen rider has already explained why it wouldnt work, read a few posts above the whole 9 car notion doesnt make sense, just make the C full length instead of a cursed 9 car non standard monstrosity. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted August 17, 2023 Share #5978 Posted August 17, 2023 2 hours ago, Kamen Rider said: Because I can’t leave you children alone for hardly 10 seconds… the 211T set at Jamaica is for CBTC integration testing. See how well the train behaves while under CBTC operation. it is not there for passenger service. Not yet at least. Someone else on a discord (who claims to be in RTO) was making this claim over the weekend, which is where I think the poster got it from. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulturious Posted August 17, 2023 Share #5979 Posted August 17, 2023 20 minutes ago, Around the Horn said: Someone else on a discord (who claims to be in RTO) was making this claim over the weekend, which is where I think the poster got it from. I'm going to assume the person you're referring to when you say "poster" is me. If so, you could always just call me out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomRider0101 Posted August 17, 2023 Share #5980 Posted August 17, 2023 I only suggested the 9 car train thing as a temporary answer to the mixed length operation. Obviously in the long run, it makes more sense to make the 100% full length. The 9 car train operation would've just been a stopgap solution in the interim (if it were possible). In my opinion, it makes sense to keep a chunk of R46s at Pitkin yard until the R211 option 1 order, so that the can go full length while they're still at Pitkin. An MTA document released months ago seemed to suggest this is exactly what would happen. With all the talk of how terrible the r46s are & how they should be retired immediately, it's very hard to tell just how things will play out. I know the r46s have lots of issues and they definitely need to be retired. But are they really that bad to the point that they can't at least hang on until we have a full length train? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLX9304 Posted August 17, 2023 Share #5981 Posted August 17, 2023 (edited) 11 hours ago, Ale188 said: Nice. Imma say 4100-04. Or 4130-4134, they are arriving in drones now. Edited August 17, 2023 by FLX9304 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamen Rider Posted August 17, 2023 Share #5982 Posted August 17, 2023 5 hours ago, T to Dyre Avenue said: Excuse me, but I’ve been riding the subway for the better part of the past 45 years. I think I know a hell of a lot more than “squat” about the system when I show interest in it. And I really don’t think making a suggestion to add more capacity to the line should be dismissed as being a “buff who don’t know squat!” You see, this agency (and its predecessors) has a history of saying “no can do” to suggestions made by the riding public, even when other transit agencies prove successful with the exact same suggestions. At least give me a real reason why 9-car 179 trains would be more trouble than it’s worth to operate. Instead of saying I know squat. Is that really too much to ask? I did… the B division CBTC control software is not designed to recognize a nine car train. the other problem is the possibility of the train getting looped around, leaving it backwards to the way it should be. the washes at 207 and Jamaica are on the loop tracks, for example. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subwaycommuter1983 Posted August 17, 2023 Share #5983 Posted August 17, 2023 9 hours ago, Comrade96 said: No, because the A would still need part of option 1. then the C would get r211s as well In terms of numbers, the base order will be enough to displace all Pitkins r46's. Option 1 would be used to displace all 8 car r179's off the C and to make the B, D mostly or fully NTTs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ale188 Posted August 17, 2023 Share #5984 Posted August 17, 2023 I think 4120-24 and 4080-84 are in service 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ale188 Posted August 17, 2023 Share #5985 Posted August 17, 2023 5 hours ago, FLX9304 said: Or 4130-4134, they are arriving in drones now. Wait…drones!? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade96 Posted August 17, 2023 Share #5986 Posted August 17, 2023 26 minutes ago, subwaycommuter1983 said: In terms of numbers, the base order will be enough to displace all Pitkins r46's. Option 1 would be used to displace all 8 car r179's off the C and to make the B, D mostly or fully NTTs. are you factoring in the r32 deficit in that as well? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZthefoamer Posted August 17, 2023 Share #5987 Posted August 17, 2023 15 minutes ago, Ale188 said: I think 4120-24 and 4080-84 are in service That would follow the logical schedule. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJHmarc Posted August 17, 2023 Share #5988 Posted August 17, 2023 R211 4100 - 4104 Delivered. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ale188 Posted August 17, 2023 Share #5989 Posted August 17, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, MJHmarc said: R211 4100 - 4104 Delivered. @FLX9304 Ur wish is granted. I told ya. Edited August 17, 2023 by Ale188 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subwaycommuter1983 Posted August 17, 2023 Share #5990 Posted August 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Comrade96 said: are you factoring in the r32 deficit in that as well? I doubt that the base order would solve the subway car shortage on the B division. Let's not forget that 8th CBTC will be done by 2025, which means that A, B, C, D trains will need to be fully NTTs before 8th Avenue CBTC is active. This also means that the C will most likely become 100% NTTs with mixed length trains before becoming 100% full length. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade96 Posted August 17, 2023 Share #5991 Posted August 17, 2023 13 minutes ago, subwaycommuter1983 said: I doubt that the base order would solve the subway car shortage on the B division. Let's not forget that 8th CBTC will be done by 2025, which means that A, B, C, D trains will need to be fully NTTs before 8th Avenue CBTC is active. This also means that the C will most likely become 100% NTTs with mixed length trains before becoming 100% full length. youre right, I mentioned the r32s because the A will need an extra 100 or so 211s to make up for the hasty retirement of them base and option orders will give us a 1 for 1 replacement of both the r46 and r32s, with a few extra, but not much 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4P3607 Posted August 17, 2023 Share #5992 Posted August 17, 2023 4080-4084 + 4120-4124 is in service. Heading Northbound to 207 at Nostrand as of 12:10 PM. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ale188 Posted August 17, 2023 Share #5993 Posted August 17, 2023 24 minutes ago, 4P3607 said: 4080-4084 + 4120-4124 is in service. Heading Northbound to 207 at Nostrand as of 12:10 PM. Thanks to confirm that. I was wondering why it had flags on it and had regular commuters in it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R179 8258 Posted August 17, 2023 Share #5994 Posted August 17, 2023 1 hour ago, 4P3607 said: 4080-4084 + 4120-4124 is in service. Heading Northbound to 207 at Nostrand as of 12:10 PM. Is that the 4th or 5th set ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon2305 Posted August 17, 2023 Share #5995 Posted August 17, 2023 36 minutes ago, R179 8258 said: Is that the 4th or 5th set ? It's the 4th in service. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLX9304 Posted August 17, 2023 Share #5996 Posted August 17, 2023 3 hours ago, Ale188 said: @FLX9304 Ur wish is granted. I told ya. I saw it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLX9304 Posted August 17, 2023 Share #5997 Posted August 17, 2023 4 hours ago, Ale188 said: Wait…drones!? When I say “drones” I mean “as in quickness” 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ale188 Posted August 17, 2023 Share #5998 Posted August 17, 2023 1 hour ago, FLX9304 said: When I say “drones” I mean “as in quickness” That makes more sense 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrome Posted August 17, 2023 Share #5999 Posted August 17, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, FLX9304 said: When I say “drones” I mean “as in quickness” Huh? Makes less sense to me. I assumed it was a typo and you meant "droves". Edited August 17, 2023 by rbrome 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ale188 Posted August 17, 2023 Share #6000 Posted August 17, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, rbrome said: Huh? Makes less sense to me. I assumed it was a typo and you meant "droves". Nah.Philly slang. We don’t use it much but we still use it. I hear a lot of Philly peeps say it. I did forget what it meant until the man told me. Edited August 17, 2023 by Ale188 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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