R211 Discussion Thread

[Transit Fans]

16 hours ago, slantfan4281 said:

Heard that the R211s set will start testing on SIR soon along with the production cars, is this true?

According to Demetrius back on June 29 2023 press conference it will start by the first quarter of 2024. 

[shiznit1987]

While I realize this isn't the spot to discuss this, let me just ask the forum: Will congestion pricing kill Back to the office, thus negating any potential ridership increases?

[Transit Fans]

On 10/8/2023 at 7:46 AM, slantfan4281 said:

I think it's more likely the  will be 8 cars. Assuming the MTA still wants to go through with making the  full length, there will be a ton of 4 car R179s that need to go somewhere. I'm going to guess they'll send them to ENY in exchange for some 4 car R160s to Jamaica for the . When the 4 car R211s arrive they can be used to expand service. 

By 2025 once the option order hits in January the   will start getting R211 to push out the cars R179 to the  &  for the increase spare factor. Which will push a most of the 4 car R160 to the . The MTA know the NYC population has been growing a lot. 

[Trainmaster5]

3 hours ago, Transit Fans said:

By 2025 once the option order hits in January the   will start getting R211 to push out the cars R179 to the  &  for the increase spare factor. Which will push a most of the 4 car R160 to the . The MTA know the NYC population has been growing a lot. 

Actually the US Census Bureau and NYC.gov says that the population of NYC has declined since 2020. 

[FLX9304]

12 hours ago, Transit Fans said:

That’s correct since all the R68 and R68A will be on Coney Island by 2025. Since the option 1 for the R211a will start in January of  2025.

Or earlier. With 5 car sets coming every week, things are going smoothly. No crashes and no delays on the road. 

[slantfan4281]

Are the production R211S cars going to be delivered directly to Clifton?

[RedLine]

Yes

[Vulturious]

1 hour ago, slantfan4281 said:

Are the production R211S cars going to be delivered directly to Clifton?

They don't really have a reason to be delivered outside of SI, so yes.

[Bill from Maspeth]

On 10/8/2023 at 9:30 PM, subwaycommuter1983 said:

Pitkins best performing r46's will go to CI. The worst performing r46's will be removed from service.

We would have to wait for the base order to be in service before official retirement of the r46's begin.

Let's not confuse "removed from service" with "retired".

A "retired" subway car means that the subway car is ready to go to the scrap yard. Keep in mind that there are still r32's that haven't been scrapped yet.

To add: MTA/NYCT has to have a contract with some vendor to scrap the R46's.  I have no doubt that no such contract exists at the present time.  Plus, there is no reason to until the R32's are off the property.

[Bill from Maspeth]

On 10/8/2023 at 7:34 PM, U-BahnNYC said:

Does anyone know if all R211 sets are running everyday, or are they starting to take 1 out as a "spare" as the R211 fleet grows?

I just want the R46s off the as soon as humanly possible.

No way.  There could be 5 or 10 cars or whatever being held in the yard for any number of reasons: inspection, defect, vandalism, work needed to be done by the vendor.........The set returns to service when it is released by the dept. who requested it to the barn.

Edited October 10, 2023 by Bill from Maspeth

[Bill from Maspeth]

On 10/8/2023 at 2:06 PM, Comrade96 said:

This is gonna backfire pretty badly...

We have a long time.  If the subway gets too crowded, they will add service.  We are months away from this scheme being implemented. 

[Bill from Maspeth]

On 10/8/2023 at 1:13 PM, subwaycommuter1983 said:

I just hope that the MTA doesn't make the dumb mistake of putting both open gangway trains on lines that have low ridership. Otherwise, it would be a waste of money.

It could be a waste of money indeed.   They initially ordered 20 cars for a reason.  To evaluate them and decide if they want more in option orders.  No final decision has been made public yet if they want more of not.

[MJHmarc]

9 hours ago, Bill from Maspeth said:

It could be a waste of money indeed.   They initially ordered 20 cars for a reason.  To evaluate them and decide if they want more in option orders.  No final decision has been made public yet if they want more of not.

Cost will be another factor as they cost more than the A model. 

[SubBus]

On 10/8/2023 at 11:36 AM, R32 3838 said:

Again, Giving Jamaica 8 car R160's would create a bigger headache and would cost more money in the long term due to the fact it's a restricted fleet for one line. The yard barely have space as it is, Now you adding 8 car units to the mix. having it 10 cars would allow them to share cars with the and like it does now with it being 5 cars.

This would reduce spare factor and require less cars, If Jamaica gets R211s, this would make it even better when it comes to spare factor.

 

If the returned to Coney Island, That's a different story. They can handle an extra fleet since the yard is bigger and could store more trains. 

 

Wouldn't have to be a service reduction, it could run the same as now.

 

Back on topic, I think the R211T's should enter passenger service within the next 2 weeks.

 

The 211T  will be testing in passenger service soon.....

[Calvin]

At this time, 100-104 are heading straight to Staten Island. Their destination: Clifton Yard meeting the R44s there. 

[Ale188]

30 minutes ago, Calvin said:

At this time, 100-104 are heading straight to Staten Island. Their destination: Clifton Yard meeting the R44s there. 

This is too early! I swear!

[JustTheSIR]

1 hour ago, Calvin said:

At this time, 100-104 are heading straight to Staten Island. Their destination: Clifton Yard meeting the R44s there. 

Now we wait for Clifton to learn how to maintain them, then they’ll be in service, right? Or do they have to go through the 30 day testing like the R211As did

[Lawrence St]

1 hour ago, Calvin said:

At this time, 100-104 are heading straight to Staten Island. Their destination: Clifton Yard meeting the R44s there. 

Already??

[Ale188]

31 minutes ago, JustTheSIR said:

Now we wait for Clifton to learn how to maintain them, then they’ll be in service, right? Or do they have to go through the 30 day testing like the R211As did

I believe they have to do 30-day like the As did. Every different rolling stock in NYCT did (NTTs at least, ex. R160A & B), and so can they!

[RandomRider0101]

Yes, the R211S will have to do a 30 day passenger test. That is standard procedure, SIR is not exempt from this.

The R211Ts will also be doing their 30 day test whenever the time comes. Both look to be starting soon (211S & 211T).

[LGA Link N Train]

5 hours ago, Ale188 said:

This is too early! I swear!

Too early? The R-44's are literally falling apart. 

Speaking of which, I gotta railfan in Staten Island one of these days before the Rest of the R-211S's begin to Roll Out.

[slantfan4281]

16 minutes ago, LGA Link N Train said:

Too early? The R-44's are literally falling apart. 

Speaking of which, I gotta railfan in Staten Island one of these days before the Rest of the R-211S's begin to Roll Out.

Assuming the SIR sets arrive at the same rate as the R211A sets and the R211S passes the 30 day test by around Thanksgiving, I would make a guess that the R44s will be gone around February or so.

[Comrade96]

5 minutes ago, slantfan4281 said:

Assuming the SIR sets arrive at the same rate as the R211A sets and the R211S passes the 30 day test by around Thanksgiving, I would make a guess that the R44s will be gone around February or so.

thats too aggressive of a timeframe, expect them to be gone later next year 

[AZthefoamer]

13 minutes ago, slantfan4281 said:

Assuming the SIR sets arrive at the same rate as the R211A sets and the R211S passes the 30 day test by around Thanksgiving, I would make a guess that the R44s will be gone around February or so.

I think the MTA timeline said April-September, give or take.

[slantfan4281]

5 minutes ago, Comrade96 said:

thats too aggressive of a timeframe, expect them to be gone later next year 

I mean aren't they trying to get rid of them ASAP? If the delivery schedule is supposed to be 20 cars per month and they get 10 before November, then they could get them all on property by the end of January?