Gotham Bus Co. Posted November 26, 2015 Share #26 Posted November 26, 2015 It's already "free" if you are getting on/coming from the subway or another bus, which most people riding it are, so what's the point of making this argument..? They want it fare-free for LIRR passengers, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotham Bus Co. Posted November 26, 2015 Share #27 Posted November 26, 2015 Let's speak hypothetically though and say that they had to add one or two more buses. You can't possibly sit here with a straight face and claim that's going to be so expensive... For some strange reason, nobody is willing to admit that buses cost money to purchase and maintain, or that bus drivers have to be paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted November 26, 2015 Share #28 Posted November 26, 2015 They want it fare-free for LIRR passengers, too.If that's the case, make everyone use the JFK airtrain and make it fare free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted November 26, 2015 Share #29 Posted November 26, 2015 They want it fare-free for LIRR passengers, too. Hell would freeze over and thaw before that happened... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted November 26, 2015 Share #30 Posted November 26, 2015 For some strange reason, nobody is willing to admit that buses cost money to purchase and maintain, or that bus drivers have to be paid.Are you really that concerned? If so you sure as hell are very quiet about maintenance workers and B/O's milking OT, doing a lot of nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamousNYLover Posted November 26, 2015 Share #31 Posted November 26, 2015 What about Riders Alliance premise the making the bus free won't cost anything. They claim a free bus would attract passengers. So what! Financially that woudn't matter since the additional passengers wouldn't be paying anything so I fail to see their argument. But I can see te MTA's argument that more service will cost more. So the question comes down again to who will pay for it? I sort of agree. When I go from South Battery Park City to North Battery Park City, some folks just take whatever comes first either M20, M22, or free shuttle Downtown Connection bus. It's same situation at South Street Seaport and people who head to South Ferry take what ever comes first, M15 Local or shuttle bus. I don't agree with replacing Q70, but I agree with Bus On Shoulder program on BQE and Grand Central Parkway especially during game season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotham Bus Co. Posted November 26, 2015 Share #32 Posted November 26, 2015 Are you really that concerned? If so you sure as hell are very quiet about maintenance workers and B/O's milking OT, doing a lot of nothing. My (rather obvious) point is that those costs exist and must be factored in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted November 26, 2015 Share #33 Posted November 26, 2015 My (rather obvious) point is that those costs exist and must be factored in. And my (rather obvious) point is that you aren't that concerned about costs when it comes to workers milking OT, etc. and increasing costs. What a surprise... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotham Bus Co. Posted November 26, 2015 Share #34 Posted November 26, 2015 And my (rather obvious) point is that you aren't that concerned about costs when it comes to workers milking OT, etc. and increasing costs. What a surprise... Thing 1... If enough service is added, additional drivers will be needed on straight time as well as overtime. The whole "it won't cost anything" argument deliberately ignores bus driver paychecks and health benefits. Thing 2... There is more than just the drivers and maintainers. The buses themselves cost money, spare parts cost money, fuel costs money. The "it won't cost anything" argument deliberately ignores those costs as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted November 26, 2015 Share #35 Posted November 26, 2015 Thing 1... If enough service is added, additional drivers will be needed on straight time as well as overtime. The whole "it won't cost anything" argument deliberately ignores bus driver paychecks and health benefits. Thing 2... There is more than just the drivers and maintainers. The buses themselves cost money, spare parts cost money, fuel costs money. The "it won't cost anything" argument deliberately ignores those costs as well. No one said the service wouldn't cost anything. Don't be foolish. Whatever the costs are, they should be studied accordingly, and the GAINS from added subway riders should also be studied. You're yelling about a service that is ALREADY "free" for the majority of the riders who transfer for free with the free transfer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DetSMART45 Posted November 27, 2015 Share #36 Posted November 27, 2015 If PATH is that concerned about traffic and related property problems, then THEY should offer a free shuttle -- by paying MTA to run it, or more properly, run it themselves. That's part of the cost of doing business. Rental car agencies at almost all airports offer shuttle pickups/dropoffs, and while they provide it "free", it's built-in to the cost of the rental. Not that hard, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerBear Posted December 3, 2015 Share #37 Posted December 3, 2015 Did anybody notice that the thanks at the end of the report was to that Global Gateways Alliance group that is constantly putting down LaGuardia? I don't think they're really meaning that LaGuardia is so horrible compared to other airports internationally, it's just that it's a coalition of businesses that would benefit from increased government funding for LaGuardia. It's like when a sports team demands a new stadium, but in this case the owner of the sports team who also owns a newspaper writes that they can't attract better pitchers because the clubhouse stinks, never mentioning that he will get a huge financial windfall from the government spending the money on his personal toy box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RestrictOnTheHanger Posted December 12, 2015 Share #38 Posted December 12, 2015 The q70 is planned to become an SBS route. From p161 of the December NYCT board book • SBS Routes: Two Select Bus Service (SBS) routes starting in 2016, the Q25 and Q70 will have start-up costs including: Fare machine purchase, fare machine installation, fare machine decals, bus wraps and eagle team ramp-up costs (MOU with NYCT); Annual cost: fare machine maintenance and Eagle team (MOU with NYCT) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBus Posted December 12, 2015 Share #39 Posted December 12, 2015 They at least should some type of analysis to determine which would cost more: making the bus a free bus as Riders Alliance suggested because 85 % of the riders are transferring anyway and paying on the subway, or the initial costs (spread over a period of time say ten years) and continuing ongoing costs of enforcement and machine maintenance before jumping on to the SBS panacea solution for all transit improvement in the city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
161 New York Posted December 13, 2015 Share #40 Posted December 13, 2015 I don't think JFK Airport Terminal 5 don't have MVM and so does Marine Air Terminal at LGA. Problem with machines are Credit/Debit/ATM Card holders only. T5 does not have an MVM. I cannot answer about the Marine Air Terminal. The main terminal at LGA does have MVMs. I think it would be a good idea to make the Q70 free given the short distance of the route and that the majority of folks are airport-bound, travelers or airport workers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted December 13, 2015 Share #41 Posted December 13, 2015 Terminal A does have MVM's, btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamousNYLover Posted December 14, 2015 Share #42 Posted December 14, 2015 Terminal A does have MVM's, btw. Where? I went inside but there was none by Hudson NewsStand or luggage claim area. It only has M60 SBS MVM and Coin Fare Collector. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted December 14, 2015 Share #43 Posted December 14, 2015 Where? I went inside but there was none by Hudson NewsStand or luggage claim area. It only has M60 SBS MVM and Coin Fare Collector. Oh, sorry, I mistook the MVM as the SBS Machine. That is true, there aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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