Department of Subways - Proposals/Ideas

[MysteriousBtrain]

Which is exactly what I would do, either as subway or as a rebuild of the Bronx portion of the 3rd Avenue El with provisions if later on for a rebuild of the Manhattan 3rd Avenue El (even if that is extremely unlikely to ever happen), possibly with a new third level of Gun Hill Road that would be a new Bronx 3rd Avenue El station (and if the Manhattan 3rd Avenue El ever did get rebuilt, such tracks shared with a Bronx SAS)

You lost me at "Rebuild Manhattan El".

[Wallyhorse]

*Facepalm*

 

You won't give up, will you?

I was simply agreeing in that case, but that said, I would never expected it to be actually rebuilt as el.

[MTA Dude]

I was simply agreeing in that case, but that said, I would never expected it to be actually rebuilt as el.

 

You know for sure it will never ever happen, so why do you suggest it?

[trainfanrod]

the MTA has no plan to rebuilt the EL if the station level is sealed off

[Javier]

How bout:

 

Cleaning up that landfill at the abandoned Jerome-Anderson Ave station because the smell is APPAULING!

[MTA Dude]

I don't think that is the MTA's problem. Go ask the government if you really wanna. This is the wrong forum.

Edited March 20, 2015 by MTA Dude

[Javier]

I asked the Mayor actually.

[MTA Dude]

I asked the Mayor actually.

 

Well, good for you.

[CenSin]

I asked the Mayor actually.

Did he give you an answer?

[Javier]

I'm still waitin from him, but I got a response back from the Park department saying that as long as I don't interfere with the structure of the station (breaking e.x pillars) that support the buildings around it.

 

What I sent to the mayor is to ask him if I can restore the station to what it once was. Maybe even open it up for tourists. But for now, I gotta go by a LOT of garage bags...

If I didn't make my self clear: I'm allowed to go in to do clean up.

[Fresh Pond]

I'm still waitin from him, but I got a response back from the Park department saying that as long as I don't interfere with the structure of the station (breaking e.x pillars) that support the buildings around it.

 

What I sent to the mayor is to ask him if I can restore the station to what it once was. Maybe even open it up for tourists. But for now, I gotta go by a LOT of garage bags...

If I didn't make my self clear: I'm allowed to go in to do clean up.

LMAOOOOO

[Quill Depot]

Might've said this before but an exit at Avenue A at the First Ave station on the Canarsie Line. Provides for the underserved East Village a little more.

[Lance]

Supposedly, the MTA is intending to build an exit there as part of the post-Sandy Fix & Fortify work on the Canarsie Line.

[bobtehpanda]

It's in the next Capital Plan, assuming the thing actually gets funded.

[Wallyhorse]

Absolutely an Avenue A exit is needed on the for the 1st Avenue Station.  I would if possible in fact try to make it so such an exit is as close to Avenue B as possible so people in Alphabet City can more easily access the .

[Javier]

IND Second Ave Line (Not 2nd Ave Subway) or Second Ave Local.

 

Summary: The will run and be built on the failed sections of the original SAS in Brooklyn, having 3 tracks with rush hour service. The line will use R179's and R160's, possibly R46's as well. At each end of the line, there will be tail tracks, so the SAS can access the when there is enough money for the expansion to Brooklyn.

 

Benefits:

This will take off crowding on the , as well as provide transit service to populated areas of Brooklyn that are not served by a transit line.

 

Stations:

South 4th Street (Terminal For Now)

All current artwork will be preserved in the station. The station will feature 4 new passage ways to the , and will be ADA accessible. The station layout will be the same, with tail tracks going towards the river. The tail tracks are also connected to a yard, and so will the tracks at the station. The inner most 2 tracks will be the one that serves the most service, the other ones will also serve during Rush Hours.

 

2nd Ave Bridge Options:

Option #1: The tail tracks will be rerouted to the Williamsburg Bridge, and the can then go via the to 2nd Ave. The 2nd Ave Station, (not the one, that unfinished one) will become the terminal, with the same layout.

 

Option #2: A new 2nd Ave Bridge is built, connecting the tail tracks to 2nd Ave - Houston Street, where the can go and terminate there without bothering Nassau Street Service.

 

 

Before I continue, what do you think?

[CenSin]

IND Second Ave Line (Not 2nd Ave Subway) or Second Ave Local.

 

Summary: The will run and be built on the failed sections of the original SAS in Brooklyn, having 3 tracks with rush hour service. The line will use R179's and R160's, possibly R46's as well. At each end of the line, there will be tail tracks, so the SAS can access the when there is enough money for the expansion to Brooklyn.

 

Benefits:

This will take off crowding on the , as well as provide transit service to populated areas of Brooklyn that are not served by a transit line.

 

Stations:

South 4th Street (Terminal For Now)

All current artwork will be preserved in the station. The station will feature 4 new passage ways to the , and will be ADA accessible. The station layout will be the same, with tail tracks going towards the river. The tail tracks are also connected to a yard, and so will the tracks at the station. The inner most 2 tracks will be the one that serves the most service, the other ones will also serve during Rush Hours.

 

2nd Ave Bridge Options:

Option #1: The tail tracks will be rerouted to the Williamsburg Bridge, and the can then go via the to 2nd Ave. The 2nd Ave Station, (not the one, that unfinished one) will become the terminal, with the same layout.

 

Option #2: A new 2nd Ave Bridge is built, connecting the tail tracks to 2nd Ave - Houston Street, where the can go and terminate there without bothering Nassau Street Service.

 

 

Before I continue, what do you think?

How about you finish what you wrote first. As always, it's lacking in crucial details. Write your proposals as if they were blueprints so we won't be left guessing what the lines could possibly look like on a map and where they connect.

[Javier]

How about you finish what you wrote first. As always, it's lacking in crucial details. Write your proposals as if they were blueprints so we won't be left guessing what the lines could possibly look like on a map and where they connect.

Alright, I'll continue writing out the next part.

Edited March 23, 2015 by Javier

[Quill Depot]

The MTA should buy the buildings that burnt on Second and Seventh and use it for an entrance for a Second Ave stop on St Marks

[CenSin]

The MTA should buy the buildings that burnt on Second and Seventh and use it for an entrance for a Second Ave stop on St Marks

Build a bulk of the facilities for the lower portion of the Second Avenue Subway there too: ventilation plants, signal controls, CBTC networking equipment, etc. They could even build a complex in the same space and rent out space to retailers, which would put the building to good use while the feds and state drag their feet with funding the rest of the line. When the line actually gets built, the provisional space would be used to build the facilities that need to be there.

 

And don’t forget the plaque dedicated to the missing guy (if he ends up staying missing).

Edited March 28, 2015 by CenSin

[bobtehpanda]

The MTA should buy the buildings that burnt on Second and Seventh and use it for an entrance for a Second Ave stop on St Marks

 

With what money?

 

In any case, doesn't the zoning from the 1970s rezoning of SAS already allow for this crap?

[Fresh Pond]

The MTA should buy the buildings that burnt on Second and Seventh and use it for an entrance for a Second Ave stop on St Marks

There's not even gonna be a stop there in the first place. Its 14 St-2 Av, then straight to Houston St.

[Wallyhorse]

There's not even gonna be a stop there in the first place. Its 14 St-2 Av, then straight to Houston St.

They could add a stop there.  That part of Manhattan has been built up considerably in recent years and likely will continue to be.

[bobtehpanda]

They could add a stop there.  That part of Manhattan has been built up considerably in recent years and likely will continue to be.

 

And so has every other part of Manhattan, but that doesn't mean we should just go around and add stops everywhere. Because there is no express line (and I swear to god, we don't need to have a "the SAS should have an express that doesn't go anywhere" conversation again), interstation distances need to be kept high to keep travel time low, and quite frankly between 14th and Houston there isn't a compelling enough reason to put a stop there, particularly since the most expensive costs these days are for stations (and if you think the MTA could get that land without paying today's market price for it, then do I have a bridge to sell you.)

 

Why should the SAS be making a stop that even the M15 SBS does not do, anyways?

[Wallyhorse]

And so has every other part of Manhattan, but that doesn't mean we should just go around and add stops everywhere. Because there is no express line (and I swear to god, we don't need to have a "the SAS should have an express that doesn't go anywhere" conversation again), interstation distances need to be kept high to keep travel time low, and quite frankly between 14th and Houston there isn't a compelling enough reason to put a stop there, particularly since the most expensive costs these days are for stations (and if you think the MTA could get that land without paying today's market price for it, then do I have a bridge to sell you.)

 

Why should the SAS be making a stop that even the M15 SBS does not do, anyways?

In that particular case, if you're going to put a substation and other parts in where the buildings were, then it likely makes sense to also add a subway station there with exits at 7th and 8th Streets, which also allows the Houston Street stop to be a bit further south if possible (but still with the transfer in place) and the 14th Street station be a little further north of where it would be others. 

 

Otherwise, I agree.