LGA Link N Train Posted September 16, 2017 Share #5676 Posted September 16, 2017 Question, for this light rail (which I think should be a Manhattan crosstown line connected to the Montauk branch) will the fare be a metrocatd or something Sent from my SM-G386T using Tapatalk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGA Link N Train Posted September 18, 2017 Share #5677 Posted September 18, 2017 (edited) It can't enter Manhattan. There are too many tunnels under 34 St.Then route it under 23 St or something or have it share some distribution with the LIRR, NJT, Amtrak or have run into NJ as long as Penn Station is redesigned or some sort of improvement Sent from my SM-G386T using Tapatalk Edited September 18, 2017 by LGA Link N train 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGA Link N Train Posted September 18, 2017 Share #5678 Posted September 18, 2017 It can't enter Manhattan. There are too many tunnels under 34 St.Also the Tunnels are located underneath 33 and 32 Street’s Sent from my SM-G386T using Tapatalk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted September 18, 2017 Share #5679 Posted September 18, 2017 Also the Tunnels are located underneath 33 and 32 Street’s Sent from my SM-G386T using Tapatalk There are north-south ones too that you aren't accounting for... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coney Island Av Posted September 18, 2017 Share #5680 Posted September 18, 2017 Around The Horn is right. You have to underpin not only LIRR, but also the 8 Av , 7 Av , Broadway , 6 Av , and even the Lex , with the 2 Av as well. And no Amtrak or NJT would not want services in Queens since the LIRR and the subway do that job already and would be redundant. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted September 19, 2017 Share #5681 Posted September 19, 2017 Then route it under 23 St or something or have it share some distribution with the LIRR, NJT, Amtrak or have run into NJ as long as Penn Station is redesigned or some sort of improvement Sent from my SM-G386T using Tapatalk But 23rd St points towards Greenpoint, Brooklyn. So if you want to run a new crosstown tunnel under 23rd, it either has to go through Greenpoint or it would have to start running diagonally under Manhattan streets in the 20s before crossing the river diagonally in order to get to Long Island City and the western end of the Lower Montauk Branch. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted September 19, 2017 Share #5682 Posted September 19, 2017 Back to the current issues on the , Flushing-Main Street needs to have tail tracks as soon as possible, because that's where the bottleneck mostly starts. It used to be Times Square as well until 34th Street open. What I would do for the long term in extend the to Bayside with a spur (The 11) going to Whitestone. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted September 19, 2017 Share #5683 Posted September 19, 2017 (edited) By putting in tail tracks at Main St, they would be removing the only ADA-compliant access to and from the stations. Putting in elevators on the platforms and installing them at the corner(s) of Main and Roosevelt would be time-consuming and may cause the sidewalks at those corners to become even more crowded. The station platforms would certainly be more crowded with the elevator shafts eating into the platform space. And it would become much more time-consuming to make a bus connection from the to the Q13, Q16 and Q28 buses on parallel 39th Ave. It would be better to just jump in and do a extension eastbound (toward Bayside) and/or (8) extension northbound (toward Whitestone) and put in tail tracks at the end of such extension(s). Even if there isn't sufficient money to go all the way to Bayside/Whitestone, even just one or two stations in either direction would be beneficial to many East Queens commuters. You would have to reconfigure Main St, of course. But with the / (8) going further out, it wouldn't cause quite as much of an impact to its users as if you were to just install tail tracks. Edited September 19, 2017 by T to Dyre Avenue 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenSin Posted September 20, 2017 Share #5684 Posted September 20, 2017 By putting in tail tracks at Main St, they would be removing the only ADA-compliant access to and from the stations. Putting in elevators on the platforms and installing them at the corner(s) of Main and Roosevelt would be time-consuming and may cause the sidewalks at those corners to become even more crowded. The station platforms would certainly be more crowded with the elevator shafts eating into the platform space. And it would become much more time-consuming to make a bus connection from the to the Q13, Q16 and Q28 buses on parallel 39th Ave. Well, to be fair, they already widened the sidewalk. Now people don’t have to walk on the road. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGA Link N Train Posted September 21, 2017 Share #5685 Posted September 21, 2017 But 23rd St points towards Greenpoint, Brooklyn. So if you want to run a new crosstown tunnel under 23rd, it either has to go through Greenpoint or it would have to start running diagonally under Manhattan streets in the 20s before crossing the river diagonally in order to get to Long Island City and the western end of the Lower Montauk Branch.So.... put the LRT under ...... 38 Street????? Sent from my SM-G386T using Tapatalk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted September 26, 2017 Share #5686 Posted September 26, 2017 Were it not for being a narrow and mostly residential street, I'd pick 35th St. It would be close enough to make a connection with the 6th Ave and Broadway lines at Herald Square and the 8th Ave line near Penn Station. All three of those lines have entrances on 35th. Unfortunately, the Lex and 7th Ave lines would be more difficult because they are located mostly south of 34th St; Lex even more so, because it's at 33rd St. Maybe a detour through Greenpoint and a 23rd St alignment in Midtown wouldn't be too bad. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenSin Posted September 26, 2017 Share #5687 Posted September 26, 2017 1 minute ago, T to Dyre Avenue said: Were it not for being a narrow and mostly residential street, I'd pick 35th St. It would be close enough to make a connection with the 6th Ave and Broadway lines at Herald Square and the 8th Ave line near Penn Station. All three of those lines have entrances on 35th. Unfortunately, the Lex and 7th Ave lines would be more difficult because they are located mostly south of 34th St; Lex even more so, because it's at 33rd St. Maybe a detour through Greenpoint and a 23rd St alignment in Midtown wouldn't be too bad. That would hit all of the trunks but connect with only the local routes. That cuts the transfer opportunities in half as 50% of the trains are rumbling by the station. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR503 Posted September 26, 2017 Share #5688 Posted September 26, 2017 On 9/21/2017 at 6:12 PM, LGA Link N train said: So.... put the LRT under ...... 38 Street????? Sent from my SM-G386T using Tapatalk Stop with the LRT... You all do know that if you will take the time punishment of the loop in sunnyside, and reactivate the Montauk Cutoff, you can send trains directly into Penn (and GCT when ESA is done) from the branch, right? On 9/15/2017 at 8:48 PM, RR503 said: They can't. As I said, they need to switch cars all day. And guess what. They have a legal right to do so. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/49/10907 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/49/10901 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/11/1170 https://www.americanbar.org/content/dam/aba/events/labor_law/2012/03/railway_airline_labor_law_committee_midwinter_meeting/mw2012rla_edelman.authcheckdam.pdf Gamble.....failed. I work on the LMB for the MTA (as a consultant). Perfectly legal as long as crash compliant. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted September 28, 2017 Share #5689 Posted September 28, 2017 On 9/19/2017 at 11:13 AM, T to Dyre Avenue said: By putting in tail tracks at Main St, they would be removing the only ADA-compliant access to and from the stations. Putting in elevators on the platforms and installing them at the corner(s) of Main and Roosevelt would be time-consuming and may cause the sidewalks at those corners to become even more crowded. The station platforms would certainly be more crowded with the elevator shafts eating into the platform space. And it would become much more time-consuming to make a bus connection from the to the Q13, Q16 and Q28 buses on parallel 39th Ave. It would be better to just jump in and do a extension eastbound (toward Bayside) and/or (8) extension northbound (toward Whitestone) and put in tail tracks at the end of such extension(s). Even if there isn't sufficient money to go all the way to Bayside/Whitestone, even just one or two stations in either direction would be beneficial to many East Queens commuters. You would have to reconfigure Main St, of course. But with the / (8) going further out, it wouldn't cause quite as much of an impact to its users as if you were to just install tail tracks. It's not as if the elevators are smack dab in front of the tracks. You could just convert those entrances to be single direction only. The should go out to Broadway LIRR. I don't know if you could justify doing Bayside all in one go. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenSin Posted September 30, 2017 Share #5690 Posted September 30, 2017 On 9/27/2017 at 11:41 PM, bobtehpanda said: It's not as if the elevators are smack dab in front of the tracks. You could just convert those entrances to be single direction only. The should go out to Broadway LIRR. I don't know if you could justify doing Bayside all in one go. They could definitely get around the elevator and escalators by widening the tunnel starting mid-station. The middle track could continue straight without demolishing anything of importance. The open space could be used to create a mezzanine level for the elevator to stop at with a ramp down to the eastbound platform. Roosevelt Avenue currently has only low-rise buildings up to Union Street. The tracks have enough space to merge into a narrow two-track tunnel by Union Street. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGA Link N Train Posted October 2, 2017 Share #5691 Posted October 2, 2017 On 9/15/2017 at 4:58 PM, D to 96 St said: Well as I mentioned before it should be a light-rail because IDK which subway line would go there. Light rail stops are at: Long Island City Maspeth-Grand Av Ridgewood-Fresh Pond Glendale-Atlas Park Shops Forest Park-Union Tpke Richmond Hill-Myrtle Av Jamaica Station (Terminus) Potential Extension: Hollis-193 St Queens Village-218 St Belmont Park IMO this is the only use I can think of for the Lower Montauk. same, unless a transit hub at Sunnyside yards was built 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGA Link N Train Posted October 2, 2017 Share #5692 Posted October 2, 2017 Anyone remembers Cuomo's AirTrain proposal?? If so then the only way to have it properly built is by A) Having it Stop at one of the LIRR platforms (probably an abandoned one) B) it must have an underground embankment to connect the station and GCP C) it must be built to accommodate the weight of subway trains, this way so that the and can run to LGA and Willets Point D) Building the LGA AirTrain with NYC subway specs would mean that the NIMBY'S of the LGA Link extension of the won't even get to shoot it down thanks to the AirTrain Anyone see where I'm going with this??? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGA Link N Train Posted October 2, 2017 Share #5693 Posted October 2, 2017 On 9/18/2017 at 6:56 PM, D to 96 St said: Around The Horn is right. You have to underpin not only LIRR, but also the 8 Av , 7 Av , Broadway , 6 Av , and even the Lex , with the 2 Av as well. true And no Amtrak or NJT would not want services in Queens since the LIRR and the subway do that job already But doing so would not only alleviate congestion in Penn Station, it would also create a "Regional Unified Network" (RethinkNYC reference) and would be redundant. Not if trains are well scheduled and RUN ^ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subwaykid256 Posted October 9, 2017 Share #5694 Posted October 9, 2017 Then it will stop on Broadway-Lafayette St then it will enter 2 Av on the center track where the new line will start New Avenue C/ Houston St Brooklyn Bedford Av/Grand St Marcy Av/South 4 St Union Av/ South 4 St Transfer for at Broadway at Hewes St Montrose Av/ Bushwick Av Transfer for Flushing Av/Bushwick Av Myrtle Av/ Stuyvesant Av Transfer for Lafayette Av/ Stuyvesant Av Gates Av/ Stuyvesant Av Halsey St/ Stuyvesant Av Fulton St/Stuyvesant-Utica Avs Transfer for Bergen St/Utica Av Eastern Pkwy/Utica Av Transfer for Rutland Rd/Utica Av Linden Blvd/Utica Av Avenue D/ Utica Av Kings Hwy/Utica Av Flatlands Av/Utica Av Avenue N/ Utica Av Kings Plaza-Avenue U/Flatbush Av tell me your thoughts 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGA Link N Train Posted October 9, 2017 Share #5695 Posted October 9, 2017 11 hours ago, subwaykid256 said: Then it will stop on Broadway-Lafayette St then it will enter 2 Av on the center track where the new line will start New Avenue C/ Houston St Brooklyn Bedford Av/Grand St Marcy Av/South 4 St Union Av/ South 4 St Transfer for at Broadway at Hewes St Montrose Av/ Bushwick Av Transfer for Flushing Av/Bushwick Av Myrtle Av/ Stuyvesant Av Transfer for Lafayette Av/ Stuyvesant Av Gates Av/ Stuyvesant Av Halsey St/ Stuyvesant Av Fulton St/Stuyvesant-Utica Avs Transfer for Bergen St/Utica Av Eastern Pkwy/Utica Av Transfer for Rutland Rd/Utica Av Linden Blvd/Utica Av Avenue D/ Utica Av Kings Hwy/Utica Av Flatlands Av/Utica Av Avenue N/ Utica Av Kings Plaza-Avenue U/Flatbush Av tell me your thoughts Weren't the and supposed to do that 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subwaykid256 Posted October 10, 2017 Share #5696 Posted October 10, 2017 I didn't know that but since they both are fine the way they are lets leave them at their current routes 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ntrainfave Posted October 11, 2017 Share #5697 Posted October 11, 2017 (edited) Not sure if already proposed, but what if the line had a second number line to share the the tracks as Astoria currently. For example both trains would originate (or terminate) at Main St., proceeds to 34th while the second line would either turn uptown or downtown in Manhattan via either Lex or 7th Ave. Also one train would switch to the other at Main St if two of the same kind arrive. Edited October 11, 2017 by Ntrainfave 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLiveRock Posted October 11, 2017 Share #5698 Posted October 11, 2017 6 hours ago, Ntrainfave said: Not sure if already proposed, but what if the line had a second number line to share the the tracks as Astoria currently. For example both trains would originate (or terminate) at Main St., proceeds to 34th while the second line would either turn uptown or downtown in Manhattan via either Lex or 7th Ave. Also one train would switch to the other at Main St if two of the same kind arrive. There's already a bad bottleneck between the and at Queensboro Plaza, and the Steinway is pretty much at capacity. Adding a third service would really not help. (Not sure exactly what you're suggesting, either, but it seems like it would go through the Steinway and that's not feasible) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted October 11, 2017 Share #5699 Posted October 11, 2017 If you have a second purple numbered service - an 8 maybe - that goes north-south in Manhattan only that connects with existing the tunnel where it turns onto 11th Avenue, then that would be more likely to work. Though you would certainly have to have a signaling system that could handle much more than 30 tph, (and actually do it) in order to preserve the existing headways, plus be able to run the 8 on relatively frequent headways too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted October 12, 2017 Share #5700 Posted October 12, 2017 (edited) On 10/8/2017 at 11:24 PM, subwaykid256 said: Then it will stop on Broadway-Lafayette St then it will enter 2 Av on the center track where the new line will start New Avenue C/ Houston St Brooklyn Bedford Av/Grand St Marcy Av/South 4 St Union Av/ South 4 St Transfer for at Broadway at Hewes St Montrose Av/ Bushwick Av Transfer for Flushing Av/Bushwick Av Myrtle Av/ Stuyvesant Av Transfer for Lafayette Av/ Stuyvesant Av Gates Av/ Stuyvesant Av Halsey St/ Stuyvesant Av Fulton St/Stuyvesant-Utica Avs Transfer for Bergen St/Utica Av Eastern Pkwy/Utica Av Transfer for Rutland Rd/Utica Av Linden Blvd/Utica Av Avenue D/ Utica Av Kings Hwy/Utica Av Flatlands Av/Utica Av Avenue N/ Utica Av Kings Plaza-Avenue U/Flatbush Av tell me your thoughts Are you proposing to reroute the off the 8th Ave Line at West 4th St, then via the to Broadway-Lafayette to accomplish all this? I can’t imagine how much of a choke point that’s going to be. And you wouldn’t be able to run this very frequently because it would have to share tracks with the and between Broadway-Lafayette and West 4th, then the upon returning to its current route. For a line that’s going to be on its own for most of the way, this isn’t an issue you want to have. I’d much prefer to do a Utica Ave subway connected either to the Fulton St or Canarsie subways, where there is - potentially - capacity to accommodate another branch line (especially the Fulton St subway). Edited October 12, 2017 by T to Dyre Avenue 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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