Union Tpke Posted September 5, 2019 Share #1 Posted September 5, 2019 (edited) @RR503 The original service pattern planned for Archer Avenue was bizarre. There is not much known about it, but this is what I know. The plan was created about 1985-no signage with the was put up. If any of you know anything about this, let me know. I am trying to get the Archer Avenue lines wikipedia article to become a good article, and would really appreciate a source better than what one person said on NYCTF and subchat. Thanks and enjoy. Presumed service pattern to 179th Street to Jamaica Center Weekdays, 57th Street or Forest Hills other times to Forest Hills Weekdays to Jamaica Center Evenings and Weekends shuttle from Van Wyck Blvd to Jamaica Center, Queens Plaza to Smith/9th Streets late nights Operations trains would have relayed using the Jamaica Yard leads. This would have complicated operations in the AM rush. Signage At Union Turnpike - Under tape on Northbound local track, one place tape removed (Seen 1986) At Forest Hills At Grand Avenue- Under tape on platform sign on Northbound track reading "Late nights for Parsons/Archer take local to Van Wyck Blvd for (G)"." At Briarwood - G sticker covered 2007-If accurate, this would likely still be there. Might have been for the old to 179th Street service pattern during late nights, which can be seen under a sign at Continental. At 67th Avenue At 75th Avenue Rollsigns Sources: https://www.nyctransitforums.com/topic/21852-archer-avenue/ http://www.subchat.com/readflat.asp?Id=1263688 http://www.subchat.com/readflat.asp?Id=1339776 http://www.subchat.com/read.asp?Id=718514 http://www.subchat.com/readflat.asp?Id=1339776&p=2 http://www.subchat.com/readflat.asp?Id=1152828&p=2 http://www.subchat.com/readflat.asp?Id=1152828&p=2 Edited September 5, 2019 by Union Tpke fix typo 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewFlyer 230 Posted September 6, 2019 Share #2 Posted September 6, 2019 Glad they changed that plan up, because Kew Gardens would have faced overcrowding issues. My only grip about the Archer Ave extension is that the services should have been extended to 168th Street where the original terminated. I feeling like there is a void on that side of Jamaica Ave and the bus routes have to make up for that. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabanamaner Posted September 6, 2019 Share #3 Posted September 6, 2019 3 hours ago, NewFlyer 230 said: Glad they changed that plan up, because Kew Gardens would have faced overcrowding issues. My only grip about the Archer Ave extension is that the services should have been extended to 168th Street where the original terminated. I feeling like there is a void on that side of Jamaica Ave and the bus routes have to make up for that. Agreed. I heard that the original plan was to send the as far as 190th Street in Hollis while the went on the LIRR right of way to Laurelton. The TA execs at the time most of been smoking some good stuff if they thought sending the to Jamaica Center was acceptable, especially given how well-utilized the Archer Ave stations are today. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted September 7, 2019 Share #4 Posted September 7, 2019 The original Archer plan definitely didn’t make sense, especially given that connecting riders were already traveling substantial distances on the bus. Requiring them to transfer from the to the for express service would have been creating another Roosevelt Avenue at Union Turnpike. It was much better that they rerouted the to Archer and have one less transfer needed. Though it really would have been better if they could have built even just one more stop at Merrick Blvd to connect with the many bus routes that run through there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RR503 Posted September 7, 2019 Share #5 Posted September 7, 2019 I shudder to think of what would have happened at 75 Ave under this plan. s or s would have had to merge with there -- that'd have been chaos. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted September 8, 2019 Share #6 Posted September 8, 2019 from Smith-9 to Jamaica from Coney to Jamaica are loops to outdo the ! Those are bizarre service patterns if I've ever heard of them, but I sort of get a kick out of it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted September 8, 2019 Author Share #7 Posted September 8, 2019 7 minutes ago, MHV9218 said: from Smith-9 to Jamaica from Coney to Jamaica are loops to outdo the ! Those are bizarre service patterns if I've ever heard of them, but I sort of get a kick out of it. Yup. I would really love to see the signs for this! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43LTD Posted September 30, 2019 Share #8 Posted September 30, 2019 Imagine this with the 63 St connector... I don't think the would have ever existed 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted October 2, 2019 Share #9 Posted October 2, 2019 @Union Tpke JFYI but I believe Photobucket has a limit to how much data you can share for a time period. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted October 2, 2019 Share #10 Posted October 2, 2019 4 hours ago, bobtehpanda said: @Union Tpke JFYI but I believe Photobucket has a limit to how much data you can share for a time period. You can only image host 25MB of photos now IIRC. If you have more than that, the stupid watermark thing comes up until you take some down or something. Real PITA. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted October 2, 2019 Share #11 Posted October 2, 2019 On 9/5/2019 at 5:21 PM, Union Tpke said: @RR503 Signage At Union Turnpike - Under tape on Northbound local track, one place tape removed (Seen 1986) At Forest Hills At Grand Avenue- Under tape on platform sign on Northbound track reading "Late nights for Parsons/Archer take local to Van Wyck Blvd for (G)"." At Briarwood - G sticker covered 2007-If accurate, this would likely still be there. Might have been for the old to 179th Street service pattern during late nights, which can be seen under a sign at Continental. At 67th Avenue At 75th Avenue p=2 Let's not forget the (E)(F)(G)(N) sign on the Interboro (Jackie Robinson) Pkwy exits. which are unused and darkened, (forgot if the signs are still visible). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted October 2, 2019 Author Share #12 Posted October 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Eric B said: Let's not forget the (E)(F)(G)(N) sign on the Interboro (Jackie Robinson) Pkwy exits. which are unused and darkened, (forgot if the signs are still visible). Are there any pictures of that sign? I have looked while passing by while going under via Union Tpke, but never have enough time to see the sign. There is never traffic on Union Tpke under Queens Boulevard. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted October 2, 2019 Author Share #13 Posted October 2, 2019 11 hours ago, bobtehpanda said: @Union Tpke JFYI but I believe Photobucket has a limit to how much data you can share for a time period. Those were someone else's images, but for that reason, I put them in my Flickr: Untitled by Union Turnpike, on Flickr Untitled by Union Turnpike, on Flickr 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3F Posted October 2, 2019 Share #14 Posted October 2, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Union Tpke said: Are there any pictures of that sign? I have looked while passing by while going under via Union Tpke, but never have enough time to see the sign. There is never traffic on Union Tpke under Queens Boulevard. The sign on the west side is decently visible (above the set of doors), but I haven't seen any such signs on the east side (which has the glass block wall). In traffic on either Union Turnpike or the Parkway, it probably wouldn't be too hard to take a photo, although you'd need a camera that's good in low light situations. Edited October 2, 2019 by P3F 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted October 2, 2019 Author Share #15 Posted October 2, 2019 1 hour ago, P3F said: The sign on the west side is decently visible (above the set of doors), but I haven't seen any such signs on the east side (which has the glass block wall). In traffic on either Union Turnpike or the Parkway, it probably wouldn't be too hard to take a photo, although you'd need a camera that's good in low light situations. I can see the outlines of the sign, and part of it where it says Union Turnpike, when in a car, but not much more. Since there never is traffic there, I can't take a photo of the sign. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted March 15, 2020 Author Share #16 Posted March 15, 2020 On 10/2/2019 at 6:58 AM, Eric B said: Let's not forget the (E)(F)(G)(N) sign on the Interboro (Jackie Robinson) Pkwy exits. which are unused and darkened, (forgot if the signs are still visible). A friend of mine got some nice pictures of the sign, which also dates the closure of the entrance. http://indsecondsystem.weebly.com/union-tpke-kew-gardens.html 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jsunflyguy Posted March 16, 2020 Share #17 Posted March 16, 2020 19 hours ago, Union Tpke said: A friend of mine got some nice pictures of the sign, which also dates the closure of the entrance. http://indsecondsystem.weebly.com/union-tpke-kew-gardens.html I always thought I was imagining the when driving by. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted March 16, 2020 Author Share #18 Posted March 16, 2020 3 hours ago, Jsunflyguy said: I always thought I was imagining the when driving by. I have been in there dozens of times passing by in my family's car but was never able to see the E F G N sign that I had heard was there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted March 16, 2020 Share #19 Posted March 16, 2020 That's fascinating. I never knew about this. That's off the highway proper, entirely inaccessible on foot? Judging by the font with the cut-e semi-Akzidenz/Helvetica, it looks like this is a 1985-1986 sign, which adds up given the switch in 1987. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coney Island Av Posted March 16, 2020 Share #20 Posted March 16, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Union Tpke said: I have been in there dozens of times passing by in my family's car but was never able to see the E F G N sign that I had heard was there. nice. the sign there is a rare historic sign that still lingers even to this day- a reminder of what could have been over three decades ago. sadly there aren't much signs from this era still standing in the system today (examples i can think of: the jamaica-bound sign at Forest Hills displaying old fonts, and also a sign at woodside). 9 minutes ago, MHV9218 said: That's fascinating. I never knew about this. That's off the highway proper, entirely inaccessible on foot? Judging by the font with the cut-e semi-Akzidenz/Helvetica, it looks like this is a 1985-1986 sign, which adds up given the switch in 1987. getting a shot of it is possible, but very hard to do. it is underneath Union Turnpike, alongside the jackie robinson, so getting there on foot is out of the question. the only chance of getting a picture would be to be in a car when there is a lot of traffic and then snap the pic when you are perfectly aligned, but you'd need good cameras and lighting. Edited March 16, 2020 by Coney Island Av 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted March 16, 2020 Share #21 Posted March 16, 2020 8 minutes ago, Coney Island Av said: nice. the sign there is a rare historic sign that still lingers even to this day- a reminder of what could have been over three decades ago. sadly there aren't much signs from this era still standing in the system today. getting a shot of it is possible, but very hard to do. it is underneath Union Turnpike, alongside the jackie robinson, so getting there on foot is out of the question. the only chance of getting a picture would be to be in a car when there is a lot of traffic and then snap the pic when you are perfectly aligned, but you'd need good cameras and lighting. Gotcha. That sounds like a two-person task, and a tricky one at that. Impressive this guy got the photo. For what it's worth, that's only a 1985-1986 sign, and there are actually many signs left from that era – particularly along the , for some reason. There are older signs from the early-1980s left in some places, and possibly a few from the late-1970s, though they're being removed. The last ones from the 1960s tend to be maintenance rooms/end-of-platform warning signs, and of course there are some original 1930s signs scattered around between the tracks in varying degrees of poor condition. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted March 16, 2020 Share #22 Posted March 16, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Union Tpke said: I have been in there dozens of times passing by in my family's car but was never able to see the E F G N sign that I had heard was there. I saw it from the Jackie while heading to my daughters’ friend’s birthday party in Middle Village this past November. But I recall seeing another sign somewhere in the mezzanine back in 2001 when I went for an interview at an employment agency in Kew Gardens. Edited March 16, 2020 by T to Dyre Avenue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted March 17, 2020 Author Share #23 Posted March 17, 2020 16 hours ago, T to Dyre Avenue said: I saw it from the Jackie while heading to my daughters’ friend’s birthday party in Middle Village this past November. But I recall seeing another sign somewhere in the mezzanine back in 2001 when I went for an interview at an employment agency in Kew Gardens. A sign lasted in the mezzanine until 2001! Yikes. Which of the two mezzanines? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted March 19, 2020 Share #24 Posted March 19, 2020 (edited) On 3/16/2020 at 1:31 PM, MHV9218 said: That's fascinating. I never knew about this. That's off the highway proper, entirely inaccessible on foot? Judging by the font with the cut-e semi-Akzidenz/Helvetica, it looks like this is a 1985-1986 sign, which adds up given the switch in 1987. The Jackie Robinson and Union Turnpike run alongside each other under Queens Blvd. So take this with a grain of salt because there isn't much about what those exits were used for, but I've heard (and believe) that those used to be inline bus stops. It'd be nice if the MTA, if it ever builds subways out past the current ends of lines in the outer borough, could build transfer facilities that involved buses within fare control. Edited March 19, 2020 by bobtehpanda 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3F Posted March 19, 2020 Share #25 Posted March 19, 2020 1 hour ago, bobtehpanda said: The Jackie Robinson and Union Turnpike run alongside each other under Queens Blvd. So take this with a grain of salt because there isn't much about what those exits were used for, but I've heard (and believe) that those used to be inline bus stops. It'd be nice if the MTA, if it ever builds subways out past the current ends of lines in the outer borough, could build transfer facilities that involved buses within fare control. I'm not sure where I read this, maybe Wikipedia, but apparently those exits used to be car drop-off areas; they were closed due to the delays caused by cars merging back onto the road. In theory, it wouldn't be too complicated to convert the westbound one into a bus stop. It's hard to judge size from Google Street View, but you could probably fit 2 to 4 buses into the area, arranged into bays. Q46 buses would pull in, drop off, pick up, and then pull out. Then, turn onto the other side of Union Turnpike at Park Lane, stop at the Q37 stop for bus connections, and continue along the normal route. In practice, it is doubtful the underground area could contain enough buses to make this operation work well, given the Q46's frequency. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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