R142/R142A mid-life refurbishment

[U-BahnNYC]

Considering that the bulk of the R142/R142A fleet is already at its midlife (crazy to think that), will there be any refurbishments or upgrades done to them? 

I think the Kawasaki built R142A's especially would need a serious overhaul. The jerking makes ride quality awful and the interiors are falling apart and looking just very worn out in general.

The Bombardier R142's are generally in much better condition, especially the supplemental 'R142S' fleet found on the , but of course both fleets could use a CBTC update and an interior refresh, maybe adding a FIND or better side destination displays. 

Edited April 16, 2023 by U-BahnNYC

[trainfan22]

These are the upgrades that are or were planned for the R142/142As...

 

 

[Lex]

3 hours ago, U-BahnNYC said:

Considering that the bulk of the R142/R142A fleet is already at its midlife (crazy to think that), will there be any refurbishments or upgrades done to them? 

I think the Kawasaki built R142A's especially would need a serious overhaul. The jerking makes ride quality awful and the interiors are falling apart and looking just very worn out in general.

The Bombardier R142's are generally in much better condition, especially the supplemental 'R142S' fleet found on the , but of course both fleets could use a CBTC update and an interior refresh, maybe adding a FIND or better side destination displays. 

You, uh, may want to retract that bit.

[AZthefoamer]

They definitely could use some maintenance and cleaning, the ones on the especially. Aside from CBTC obviously, I do not really see the need for much of an upgrade necessary.

And yes, it is crazy to think that the R142/A is already halfway to retirement (on paper, anyways).

[subway4832]

It looks like the project is back on the table, as the MTA put out an RFI regarding vendors for CBTC retrofits for them: https://new.mta.info/document/103906 

[Chris89292]

17 hours ago, AZthefoamer said:

They definitely could use some maintenance and cleaning, the ones on the especially. Aside from CBTC obviously, I do not really see the need for much of an upgrade necessary.

And yes, it is crazy to think that the R142/A is already halfway to retirement (on paper, anyways).

They should replace the interior lighting just like they did with the R160’s

[Lil 57]

1 minute ago, Chris89292 said:

They should replace the interior lighting just like they did with the R160’s

Agreed, funny seeing the difference between the converted R188s and the newer R188s on the . It's like night and day.

[Chris89292]

14 hours ago, subway4832 said:

It looks like the project is back on the table, as the MTA put out an RFI regarding vendors for CBTC retrofits for them: https://new.mta.info/document/103906 

They should just use the R188 design, all this planning isn’t necessary, except for contract procedures 

[IAlam]

9 hours ago, Lil 57 said:

Agreed, funny seeing the difference between the converted R188s and the newer R188s on the . It's like night and day.

Not only that look at how much they've aged since then. The R142A that ended up on the look more or less the same as when they got them. The New R188's don't have much wear considering they're approaching 10 years old. Compared to the R142?A that still remains on Lex and 7th Ave which looks like they've been beaten up, abused and haven't seen a wash in years. It was the same thing with the R62's the condition that the cars were when the  got it from the  felt the same when they gave it back to the . I never felt the other IRT depos did a good job maintaining their fleet like Corona does. 

[Kingsbridgeviewer382]

23 minutes ago, IAlam said:

Not only that look at how much they've aged since then. The R142A that ended up on the look more or less the same as when they got them. The New R188's don't have much wear considering they're approaching 10 years old. Compared to the R142?A that still remains on Lex and 7th Ave which looks like they've been beaten up, abused and haven't seen a wash in years. It was the same thing with the R62's the condition that the cars were when the  got it from the  felt the same when they gave it back to the . I never felt the other IRT depos did a good job maintaining their fleet like Corona does. 

Aside from the cbtc components, the converts were sent exactly how the were from the  faults and all. And to think at one point, there were plans to fully clean and overhaul them during the conversion phase before that was kiboshed.

Edited April 19, 2023 by Kingsbridgeviewer382

[ABCDEFGJLMNQRSSSWZ]

Yeah I'll agree with what others have been saying the  looks like it has a war zone on it's route. The interiors have generally held up quite well imo though, especially considering the lighter pallete and the cars relative age.

I wonder if these cars see more wear and tear simply because the lines they're on are all high ridership, have significant elevated portions, and run through some rougher areas of the city.

[Lawrence St]

On 4/18/2023 at 12:39 PM, Chris89292 said:

They should just use the R188 design, all this planning isn’t necessary, except for contract procedures 

Isn’t an R188 literally just a R142A with CBTC? 
 

The project should designate the R142’s as the R188B’s and the R142A’s as the R188A’s. That way they can be interchanged throughout the entire IRT fleet, including the .

 

[texassubwayfan555]

On 4/18/2023 at 11:39 AM, Chris89292 said:

They should just use the R188 design, all this planning isn’t necessary, except for contract procedures 

The R142 has some differences from the R142A that might complicate reusing the R188 design, most notably the propulsion. I also think and R211 style FIND LCD screens and exterior side LED signs should be added as part of a refurbishment.