Far Rock Depot Posted January 17, 2010 Share #201 Posted January 17, 2010 In other words, the rain pwns the R44s...lmao Basically. Any rider out of rockaway can attest to that! They are rotting. end of story. Its not gonna effect the ride quality. Its gonna effect its structual durability. the second that is comprimised, thats it for the 44s. WHat mostly effects ride quality....track conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m7zanr160s Posted January 17, 2010 Share #202 Posted January 17, 2010 Why carbon steel if it rusts so bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R44 5278 Posted January 17, 2010 Share #203 Posted January 17, 2010 Why carbon steel if it rusts so bad? Money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted January 17, 2010 Share #204 Posted January 17, 2010 Basically. Any rider out of rockaway can attest to that! They are rotting. end of story. Its not gonna effect the ride quality. Its gonna effect its structual durability. the second that is comprimised, thats it for the 44s. WHat mostly effects ride quality....track conditions. If the R44s ran on the , since it's an underground line, it won't be exposed to the elements compared to how the runs by saltwater, further deteriorating its carbody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova RTS 9147 Posted January 17, 2010 Share #205 Posted January 17, 2010 If the R44s ran on the , since it's an underground line, it won't be exposed to the elements compared to how the runs by saltwater, further deteriorating its carbody. The R44s should have been on the the second the r46's arrived, but that's just the opinion of one individual. In related news, word around the camp fire is that 5342 is in terrible shape, so terrible that it may split in half if moved. I don't know how true this is, but several R44s have been retired due to frame problems so this is pretty believable. Original thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted January 17, 2010 Share #206 Posted January 17, 2010 I don't believe such is correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted January 17, 2010 Share #207 Posted January 17, 2010 Since GOH, only one car has been set aside due to structural issues. (5248) That car, 5248, (originally #106) has some claim to fame as the lead car on the LIRR speed tests, and has some neat photos as a result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted January 17, 2010 Share #208 Posted January 17, 2010 The R44s should have been on the the second the r46's arrived, but that's just the opinion of one individual. Eh, probably. In related news, word around the camp fire is that 5342 is in terrible shape, so terrible that it may split in half if moved. I don't know how true this is, but several R44s have been retired due to frame problems so this is pretty believable. Original thread I heard the same thing, and my friend knows at T/O that works the , and lays up some of his runs there as well so he confirmed this. Four sets have already been taken OOS. If you ask me, the 44s doomsday is near. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted January 17, 2010 Share #209 Posted January 17, 2010 One more question: I know there are some odd-ball sets [the numbers being 'random'], but are R44's linked 4-car sets? Maybe if only one car out of the set is bad, could they replace it with a car from another set? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted January 17, 2010 Share #210 Posted January 17, 2010 Two sets have been taken OOS for inspection. (Do not remember car numbers) I do not know if any more have been pulled for inspection since, but just because a set has been pulled to be inspected does not mean it will not be restored to service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted January 17, 2010 Share #211 Posted January 17, 2010 One more question: I know there are some odd-ball sets [the numbers being 'random'], but are R44's linked 4-car sets? Maybe if only one car out of the set is bad, could they replace it with a car from another set? They could do that if they wanted to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted January 17, 2010 Share #212 Posted January 17, 2010 If some R44s are found to be in decent shape, it is reasonably possible that some cars will be retained, and remated if necessary. If the R44s are all being retired anyway, it would make little sense to bother with remating any cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted January 17, 2010 Share #213 Posted January 17, 2010 Ah, thanks for the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Beach Posted January 17, 2010 Share #214 Posted January 17, 2010 They can start retiring the 44's when Jamaica gets the rest of its 160's. Those 160's would bump there 46's to Pitkin and those can replace the 44's instead of the 32's! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishmech Posted January 17, 2010 Share #215 Posted January 17, 2010 My understanding of it was: If they can keep all of the R44s, they can get rid of all the R32/R42s basically immediately. If they have to start getting rid of R44s due to structural issues, they can't get rid of the R32/R42s without ending up with too few cars, so they would instead get rid of all the R44s basically immediately. Also, that it works best for the if they get rid of all remaining R32/R42s OR all remaining R44s, but not if they get rid of some R32/R42s and some R44s. And that finally, all of all 3 types will be gotten rid of with the remaining R160s arriving to finish off either the R32/R42 OR R44 and another option order of R160s to finish off whichever wasn't eliminated by the current order. IS this correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted January 17, 2010 Share #216 Posted January 17, 2010 I would think they would scrap the worst performing trains than either or. And right now if this V is extended, there will be a surplus of cars. So they can probably start replacing some cars if needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted January 18, 2010 Share #217 Posted January 18, 2010 There is currently no plan to order more R160s. The remaining cars will replace EITHER the R44s OR the R32/R42. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted January 18, 2010 Share #218 Posted January 18, 2010 There is currently no plan to order more R160s. The remaining cars will replace EITHER the R44s OR the R32/R42. Hopefully it'll be the 32s & 42s that swim. Just to pee in the foamers' Cheerios. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INDman Posted January 18, 2010 Share #219 Posted January 18, 2010 Hopefully it'll be the 32s & 42s that swim. Are you pissing in my corn flakes and telling me it's raining? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m7zanr160s Posted January 18, 2010 Share #220 Posted January 18, 2010 Money Terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova RTS 9147 Posted January 19, 2010 Share #221 Posted January 19, 2010 Why carbon steel if it rusts so bad? Money According to the other board, Money and a lack of technology for an alternative. The post also talks about them being replaced in 2005, which may explain where that fictional third R160 option order came from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R44 5278 Posted January 19, 2010 Share #222 Posted January 19, 2010 According to the other board, Money and a lack of technology for an alternative. The post also talks about them being replaced in 2005, which may explain where that fictional third R160 option order came from. The original slate was to have the R44s retire with the 2nd R160 option, while leaving some MK R42s and the R32s (Phase Is and IIs). When the Phase IIs experienced braking problems, that slate was changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m7zanr160s Posted January 19, 2010 Share #223 Posted January 19, 2010 Well, I just did the math and found out that the 44's are 38-39 yrs. old, so...they're not that far from the end anyway; a slightly early retirement. The 42's are right on time, they turn 40 this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m7zanr160s Posted January 19, 2010 Share #224 Posted January 19, 2010 I wonder if they'll just cook up another R-160 order, if the 44's are retired early? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princelex Posted January 19, 2010 Share #225 Posted January 19, 2010 I can't wait for the results of the survey. Whatever they are, it's still sad cause I love the R32, R42 and the R44 and it's sad that any of them have to go but if the R44 is in a really dangerous way, then they must go ASAP. The saga continues... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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