MTA Bus Operations: Fleet & Depots

[Iron Valiant]

45 minutes ago, xD4nn said:

I would assume that ENY and GA would send XD40s to FP and FB to retire all the NGs which leaves Jamaica and Gun Hill as the only depots who can supply XD40s to ENY

...But if East New York still needs buses, it would make more sense if they kept what they already have instead of sending buses to FB/FP only to get buses from Gun Hill or Jamaica. If anything, it would make more sense for Jamaica to send buses directly to FB/FP.

[Nova Fly Guy]

14 hours ago, RandomRider0101 said:

Yeah I know those units were in service. I'm saying that when they're done with service they might become swing buses afterwards.

They are moving away from that practice any available coach can be a swing bus now.

[Novabus 5000]

15 hours ago, Iron Valiant said:

Grand Avenue. They are supposedly going to receive XE40s, but so is East New York. 

Not confirmed. The XE40 assignments have not yet been posted, so anything going around is pure speculation. 

[Calvin]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CvIB75Fgyls/

10 Standard buses at the MCH Depot have wheelchair accessibility although, without the bus operator's assistance. It's referred as a Quantum Self-Securement station as riders with wheelchairs can secure their seating space with a button push. For now, it's on the M7. 

 

Edited July 25, 2023 by Calvin

[xD4nn]

7 hours ago, Novabus 5000 said:

Not confirmed. The XE40 assignments have not yet been posted, so anything going around is pure speculation. 

Specific assignments have not been posted. However, the MTA has announced which depots are getting them and ENY is on the list. The MTA has also released the contracts for installing charging stations at specific depots so it's pretty much guaranteed the 6 depots selected for electric stations are getting them...

[Ultimategamer12c]

8964 is back at Zerega after spending some days at EC Depot.

[Cait Sith]

On 7/25/2023 at 7:59 PM, xD4nn said:

Specific assignments have not been posted. However, the MTA has announced which depots are getting them and ENY is on the list. The MTA has also released the contracts for installing charging stations at specific depots so it's pretty much guaranteed the 6 depots selected for electric stations are getting them...

Not exactly.

Gun Hill is getting chargers for their incoming Hydrogen-Electric Xcelsiors and for support for a future fleet of electric buses. Doesn't necessarily mean they'll get XEs from this order.
Jamaica is getting them with the construction of the new depot. So they aren't getting XEs any time soon.
Eastchester is getting them, but they're not getting any from this order.
Quill was supposed to get a piece of this order, but from what I've heard, that's not happening.

What is guaranteed is that Grand Avenue, Kingsbridge, Charleston, and East New York are getting them. My guess is that it'll be 15 each.

Edited July 28, 2023 by Cait Sith

[xD4nn]

21 minutes ago, Cait Sith said:

Not exactly.

Gun Hill is getting chargers for their incoming Hydrogen-Electric Xcelsiors and for support for a future fleet of electric buses. Doesn't necessarily mean they'll get XEs from this order.
Jamaica is getting them with the construction of the new depot. So they aren't getting XEs any time soon.
Eastchester is getting them, but they're not getting any from this order.
Quill was supposed to get a piece of this order, but from what I've heard, that's not happening.

What is guaranteed is that Grand Avenue, Kingsbridge, Charleston, and East New York are getting them. My guess is that it'll be 15 each.

It’s been stated by the MTA themselves that Jamaica will get the XE40s. Jamaica is getting charging stations for the XE40s. It is a separated contract from reconstruction… why would they install chargers this early if Jamaica isn’t getting XE40s? 

Edited July 28, 2023 by xD4nn

[Cait Sith]

3 minutes ago, xD4nn said:

It’s been stated by the MTA themselves that Jamaica will get the XE40s. Jamaica is getting charging stations for the XE40s. It is a separated contract from reconstruction…

From the MTA themselves.....

 

You were saying?
Also, a separate contract for XEs at Jamaica hasn't even been awarded OR drafted yet, brother. It's clear that they'll get XEs, but not from this order.

Edited July 28, 2023 by Cait Sith

[xD4nn]

1 minute ago, Cait Sith said:

From the MTA themselves.....

 

You were saying?
Also, a separate contract for XEs at Jamaica hasn't even been awarded OR drafted yet, brother. It's clear that they'll get XEs, but not from this order.

That image you posted was released before they made the announcement that Jamaica and MJQ were getting XE40s… please read their earth day announcement. Jamaica gantry installation is a separate contract. Check the financial book from board meetings.

[xD4nn]

[xD4nn]

Also that image you posted of the 60 XE40s does not mention which depots are getting XE40s. The depots mentioned are getting chargers installed. The wording is ambiguous but it’s saying that those depots will get chargers. Michael J Quill already has XE40 infrastructure and Jamaica gantry installation is packaged with redesign but still a separate contract.

Edited July 28, 2023 by xD4nn

[Cait Sith]

48 minutes ago, xD4nn said:

That image you posted was released before they made the announcement that Jamaica and MJQ were getting XE40s… please read their earth day announcement. Jamaica gantry installation is a separate contract. Check the financial book from board meetings.

Quill already had chargers, they don't have enough. And with the ongoing construction that's been going on at Quill, word is that they're gonna be out of the order.

I have checked, and yes, it has been mentioned that Jamaica will get charging infrastructure to support the buses. The Earth Day announcement(s) also ties to Jamaica getting a new facility which will make them the first Zero-Emissions depot with support up to 60 electric buses by 2026. Wording isn't actually accurate as to whether they'll get any from this order or not.

Grand Avenue(extra chargers + modifications) and Kingsbridge already got theirs ready to go, and ENY and Charleston have been getting prepped prior to the delays. Jamaica hasn't seen anything yet.

Edited July 28, 2023 by Cait Sith
Typos.

[xD4nn]

4 minutes ago, Cait Sith said:

Quill already had chargers, they don't have enough. And with the ongoing construction that's been going on at Quill, word is that they're gonna be out of the order.

I have checked, and yes, it has been mentioned that Jamaica will get charging infrastructure to support the buses. The Earth Day announcement(s) also ties to Jamaica getting a new facility which will make them the first Zero-Emissions depot with support up to 60 electric buses by 2026. Wording isn't actually accurate as to whether they'll get any from this order or not.

Grand Avenue(extra chargers + modifications) and Kingsbridge already got theirs ready to go, and ENY and Charleston have been getting prepped prior to the delays. Jamaica hasn't seen anything yet.

The governor and the MTA has already stated that the 6 depots mentioned will get XE40s.

[Cait Sith]

18 minutes ago, xD4nn said:

The governor and the MTA has already stated that the 6 depots mentioned will get XE40s.

Okay, but plans can change. Just because they said something, doesn't make it solid, and it's not the first time that they announced something and plans changed. They announced that the intital 10 pilots we had were supposed to be swapped between both Quill and Grand for evaluation and testing, but that never happened because again, plans changed(due to the Proterras failing a state mandated brake test).

The only way we'll know for sure is when actual assignments are announced, and when they actually start showing up to the depots.

[MysteriousBtrain]

From what I'm hearing, it makes sense for these changes

Quill already is operating Electric units (with/without reconstruction) so they could get away with not getting AEBs without too much political pressure, and with everything with MTA, the delay of Jamaica Depot construction could push AEBs away from there to go elsewhere. That leaves the original 4 depots which are:

3 hours ago, Cait Sith said:

Grand Avenue, Kingsbridge, Charleston, and East New York

I could see a 15/15/15/15 split because no other depots are getting/planned to get electric units at this time. 

[RailBus63]

This incident in Bakersfield CA may delay the MTA's rollout of hydrogen buses - a New Flyer XHE40 was destroyed in a fire at the agency's fuel station.

https://bakersfieldnow.com/news/local/fire-engulfs-new-hydrogen-bus-and-fueling-station-at-golden-empire-transit-kern-county-bakersfield-fire-department-get-bus

[Cait Sith]

Two XE40 pilots are nearby and have the high temperature battery warnings installed. They will be out of Quill and KB, visiting ENY, Charleston and Grand Avenue. No word on Jamaica Depot seeing these yet.

Edited August 1, 2023 by Cait Sith

[Calvin]

The recent MTA Bus LFS do not have the fare stickers yet but all have the stroller mark. At Baisley Park, 8964 doesn't have the fare sticker but might be hitting service past August 20th or before that day. 

Edited August 5, 2023 by Calvin

[RandomRider0101]

2 hours ago, RSMG106 said:

I think you mean East New York. ENY now has 4 NGs to cover for the shortage.

Do you know why East NY has a shortage? They seemed to be doing fine for several months up until July.

Btw, that would be 5 NGs at East NY currently.

Edited August 19, 2023 by RandomRider0101

[Calvin]

14 minutes ago, RandomRider0101 said:

Do you know why East NY has a shortage? They seemed to be doing fine for several months up until July.

Not much has changed. But, last I checked, they sent a few units over to Fresh Pond (7105-7106) to move the Next Gens needed for retirement from the condition they were in. Although, Casey Stengel may have a lot of buses in the depot (244 buses inside that has unit 4473 included) that they needed to move some buses taking up room at the depot to another depot like East New York. Would also be that they don't need them anymore with the recent NYC LFS order close to being finished. 

Edited August 19, 2023 by Calvin

[RandomRider0101]

14 minutes ago, Calvin said:

Not much has changed. But, last I checked, they sent a few units over to Fresh Pond (7105-7106) to move the Next Gens needed for retirement from the condition they were in. Although, Casey Stengel may have a lot of buses in the depot (244 buses inside that has unit 4473 included) that they needed to move some buses taking up room at the depot to another depot like East New York. Would also be that they don't need them anymore with the recent NYC LFS order close to being finished. 

Yeah that is true (about them sending the two XD40s to Fresh Pond). And it doesn't help that the XE40 order is currently delayed. Hopefully all of these issues will be resolved soon.

[Calvin]

8914 and 8946 are left to be delivered in NYCT. They will be bound for Casey Stengel and after those two are delivered, this will finish the 2020-22 Smartbus order for them.

After that, the delivery progress will move on to MTA Bus. However, so far, Baisley Park has no gap in number delivery like how NYCT was. It's delivered between 8964-9008 that's equal to 45 units if all were there in the future. 

Edited September 20, 2023 by Calvin

[Calvin]

For now, I noticed the recent loans that’s happening at this time is out of Tuskegee Airmen and at College Point. Not sure if College Point has CNG units short on units but, Tuskegee Airmen has been cycling units due to poor maintenance via the transfers thread.

Edited October 2, 2023 by Calvin

[IAlam]

On 10/1/2023 at 10:37 PM, Calvin said:

For now, I noticed the recent loans that’s happening at this time is out of Tuskegee Airmen and at College Point. Not sure if College Point has CNG units short on units but, Tuskegee Airmen has been cycling units due to poor maintenance via the transfers thread.

Honestly, it's nice seeing NG running on CP routes on their final days. But as for CP, I believe this has happened in the past when they do scheduled maintenance of the fleet.