Popular Post East New York Posted August 4, 2011 Popular Post #1 Posted August 4, 2011 (edited) Bus Operations is the surface transit division of the Metropolitan Transportation Authority (New York), created in 2008 to consolidate all bus operations operated by the MTA. Originally known as Regional Bus Operations after the 2008 consolidation, the branding was later changed to reflect the contract termination with Long Island Bus, now operating as NICE. The fleet consists of more than 5,900 buses of various types and models for fixed-route service, providing service in New York City, the western edge of Nassau County and the city of Yonkers. Bus Operations is not currently publicly used as a brand. The NYC Transit Forums Fleet & Depots home page is updated on a regular basis, and serves and the main information page for Department of Buses operations. Bus Operations is currently in the process of merging it's branding, operations, radio and farebox systems. The combined branding has been introduced, and will continue moving forward with all new buses which will share a common unified MTA New York City Transit & Bus brand, that no longer sports NYC Bus or MTA Bus titles. The current public brands are New York City Bus, and Bus. The merged ops branding has been revised and will now be known as New York City Bus for all public purposes, across all divisions. MTA Bus Company headquarters, command, and operations will also be merged with that of NYC Department of Buses and relocated from College Point Depot to the all new state-of-the-art Bus Command Center at East New York Depot, which serves MTA Surface Transit Headquarters. (See more details at the bottom of this title post) Official (MTA) website The TTMG Insiders Guide (Fleet and Depot Roster) is a comprehensive depot-by-depot fleet guide that is the maintained by MTA personnel, and is accurate at the date and time posted (save any typos or human error). Public updates are released regularly. Please remember that buses are transferred, loaned, and borrowed on an as needed basis. Reference the MTA Bus Moves & Transfers Thread for daily updates, and interim fleet information. Official MTA Fleet roster at TTMG Last Fleet & Depots Update 3/17/19 Local & Express Bus Fleets Current Procurement 2018-2010, for bus deliveries through 2022 ********************************************************************************************************* The following information comes from "East New York", "The Real", and “SevenEleven” via MTA Bus Operations. ********************************************************************************************************* New confirmed, and projected fleet numbers, delivery schedules, depot assignments, and additional fleet details. (Includes test and demo buses) The New 45 foot Express Bus Test & Evaluation Program. MTA has had time to evaluate the data collected during the demo testing phases for the 2 express coach models listed below. MTA is now in the selection process for the next express order. RFP's have been issues, and the first order is due By April 2019. It is expected that MTA may now award both NYCT and MTAB orders together at the same time. 2018 AD Double Decker #0022 (30-day Testing & Evaluation Complete) 2018 MCI D45 CRT LE #0023 ( 90-day Testing & Evaluation Complete) The Standard 40 foot electric bus alternative energy Test & Evaluation pilot. 0011-0020 At this time, New Flyer has completed the necessary testing to validate the bus for NYCT operations. Effective February 2019, MTA began the spec design phase for the new buses. Proterra has until October/November to qualify its bus for procurement consideration. At that time MTA will have made a decision moving forward with production immediately in December 2019. Lease Group A.) New Flyer XE40 "Xcelsior CHARGE" Standard Electric Low Floor 0011-0015 (05) Mike Quill Lease Group B.) Proterra BE40 "Catalyst" Standard Electric Low Floor 0016-0020 (05) Grand Avenue New Flyer XD60 "Xcelsior" Low Floor Articulated (Most of the base order assignments are temporary, pending delivery of option buses for both NYCT, and MTABC, as well as the subsequent return of loaned buses to NYCT) 5987-6286 & 5987-5994, 6044-6092 even (33) LaGuardia 5995-6029, 6083-6093 odd, 6094, 6095, 6097 (44) Casey Stengel 6030-6042 even, 6110-6124 even (15) John F. Kennedy 6031, 6096, 6098-6109, 6111, 6113, 6115 (18) Mike Quill 6033-6081 odd (25) Tuskegee (100th St) 6117, 6119, 6123, 6125 (04) Flatbush for training, pending implementation and fleet conversion from Nova LFSA to New Flyer XD60 **options for TA(108) and BC(53) 6126-6233 (108) 51 for Clara Hale M15+, 57 for Flatbush B44+ & B46+ 6234-6286 (53) 43 for Q52+/Q53+ @ LaGuardia, JFK, and Far Rockaway Depots. 10 for service expansion. NovaBus TL-62102A Low Floor Articulated (Base order delivery complete. Option order pending. All buses being delivered in SBS scheme with the exception of 5567-5602. These buses will have a base wrap over SBS paint.) 5439-5530 5439-5467 (29) Mike Quill 5468-5482 (15) Gun Hill 5483-5530 (48) Mike Quill options 5531-5566 (36) Gun Hill 5567-5602 (36) Mike Quill New Flyer XN60 "Xcelsior" Low Floor CNG Articulated (Delivery in progress, assignments revised) 1000-1109 1000-1030, 1032-1072 (72) West Farms 1031, 1073-1109 (38) Jackie Gleason New Flyer XD40 "Xcelsior" Low Floor (Options Awarded - Delivery underway for NYCT and to begin 2019 for MTA Bus.) Please note the assignments have been modified post L-Train, and are now effective as of February 1, 2019. (Fleet numbers to be revised) 7484-7875 & (61) Jamaica 7484, 7487-7508, 7572 (43) Mike Quill 7573-7594 (65) Fresh Pond 7508-7519 (48) Flatbush 7615-7662 (54) East New York 7663-7684 (35) Grand Avenue 7520-7530 (21) West Farms 7544-7551 (40) Ulmer Park 7531-7535, 7537, 7539-7543, 7552, 7553 ***This is part of the 618 Standard 40 Foot option order (See above for details)*** 7851-7875 (pending 25) MTA Bus NovaBus TL-40102A Low Floor (Delivery to begin February 2017) 8504-8754 (64) Queens Village (77) Yukon (50) Gun Hill (60) Kingsbridge Buses are expected to be delivered in the order above, but does not mean full allotments in order. Just delivery starting order. ***This is part of the 618 Standard 40 Foot option order New Flyer XDE40 "Xcelsior" Low Floor Diesel-Electric Hybrid (Awarded Delivery almost complete- 5 Allison units, 5 BAE units) Note Grand Avenue depot was selected for initial test and evaluation as that depot now serves as Bus Operations Engineering Headquarters. These buses will serve as Test & Evaluation pilot models that will be used to decide the configuration for the confirmed future order of 275 hybrid buses. Please Note this could be a split award between New Flyer and Nova. Evaluation is scheduled to wrap up at the end of 2019, with production buses to begin construction in December 2019. Pilot testing is in the final phase, which is spec design of the production buses. At this time, the buses will now begin evaluation at other depots. 9500, 9503, 9505, 9507 (04) Grand Avenue 9501, 9502, 9508, 9509 (04) Mike Quill 9504 - Allison Audit Bus, 9506 - BAE Audit Bus (02) NFI 9500-9504 feature the new Allison H 40 EP Hybrid system. 9505-9509 feature the new BAE Systems HDS200 Series-E HybriDrive, which is the successor to the hybrid we currently have on the Orion VII hybrids. Projected follow up order fleet numbers: 9510-9784 (275) New Flyer XE60 "Xcelsior CHARGE” Low Floor Articulated AEB (This is the MTA’s first production order for AEB’s or All-Electric Buses. Starting July 2019, Installation of MTA Purchased depot chargers will begin, and replace the current chargers leased from NFI. This order will not have a pilot bus or pilot buses, as 0011 serves at such for all technical purposes. This order will have a “Lead Bus” which is scheduled to arrive in September of 2019. The rest of the buses are planned to commence delivery beginning in November 2019, with the balance on TA property in January 2020. Please not that MTA has been offered an incentive to speed up the delivery. Sources say NFI will plan on having all the buses delivered by years end. This would mean NFI will have the lead bus ready for audit inspection in as little as 6 months.) 4950-4964 (15) Mike Quill for M14+ Please note 1-3 of theses buses will be eventually used for duty cycle testing throughout all 5 boroughs on various routes out of multiple depots, to evaluated both electric operations and articulated electric operations in other areas. This will help MTA gather data to help with deployment and analysis for the pending order of 45 standard AEB’s. Notice: Dates of award, delivery schedule, depot assignments, fleet numbers and all technical details subject to change without notice. All information will be updated accordingly. Preliminary Upcoming Transfers, Purchases & Retirements through FY2022... MTA Bus -Transfer Thirty-Three (33) 2006 DaimlerChrysler Orion 07.501 Gen-II+ Hybrids by 2020 from NYCB. -Order 25 New 40-foot Buses for 2021 delivery. -53 New 60-foot Buses for 2019-2020 delivery. -Order 257 New 45-foot Commuter Buses for 2021 delivery, with the first 174 arriving in 2020. -Retire all 2002 MCI D4500 Commuter Coaches by the end of 2020 -Retire all 2004 MCI D4500CL Commuter Coaches by the end of 2020. -Retire Two Hundred-Thirty Seven (237) 2005 MCI D4500CL Commuter Coaches by the end of 2020, with 154-units going by the end of 2019. NYC Bus -Order 275 New 40-Foot Hybrid Buses for 2021 delivery, with the first 77 arriving in 2020. -Order 45 New 40-Foot Electric Buses for 2021 delivery, with the first 6 arriving in 2020. -Order 50 New 45-foot Commuter Buses for 2020 delivery. -15 New 60-Foot Articulated XE60 AEB for 2019-2020 delivery. -Retire all 1998-99 Nova Bus Model T80206 RTS by the end of 2019. -Retire all 2002-04 DaimlerChrysler Orion 07.501 Gen-I Hybrids by the end of 2019. -Retire all 2003-04 DaimlerChrysler Orion 07.501 Gen-II CNGs by early 2019. -Retire all 2005 DaimlerChrysler Orion 07.501 Gen-II Hybrids by 2020, with the first 158 retired by the end of 2019. -Retire all 2006 DaimlerChrysler Orion 07.501 Gen-II+ Hybrids by 2020. -Retire all 2007 DaimlerChrysler Orion 07.501 Gen-II+ Hybrids by 2021, with the first 75 retired by the end of 2020. -Retire all 2008 Daimler Orion 07.501 Next Generation/Gen-III Hybrids by the end of 2022, with the first 158 retired by the end of 2021. -Retire all 2002-03 New Flyer Galaxy Articulated (D60HF) by mid-2019. -Retire all 2002 MCI D4500 Commuter Coaches by the end of 2020. -Retire all 2007 MCI D4500CL Commuter Coaches by the end of 2022, with the first 28 retired by the end of 2020. For more in-depth details about the current bus fleet, please reference the TTMG MTA Bus Fleet Summary. Depots (Major Projects Only) *East New York - MTA Surface Transit Headquarters- Currently in the final stages of exterior construction, the brand new state-of-the-art facility for the merged bus operations of NYCTA and MTABC. The new building will be located and constructed at the East New York Bus Depot site, which currently serves as MTA's Surface Transit Operations Headquarters. This facility will feature brand new bus dispatch capabilities which will be merged with MTABC, as all buses across the fleet will have their radios replaced for one common system. This will begin the much awaited official merger of New York City Transit's TA and OA divisions with that of MTA Bus Company. All buses will also have their fare-boxes replaced for units that will be common to both Transit and Bus Co. In addition to the new command center being scheduled for full operations by Summer 2020 , ENY depot is currently being modified to house and maintain articulated buses. The depot is scheduled to be rehabbed, and artic ready by June 2020 as well. MTA expects all NYCT and MTAB systems (Radios, Fareboxes, Command, Operations) to be merged completely by January 2021 when the new unified radio system is scheduled to go online. The radio pilot testing will begin in Spring 2019 in Staten Island **See photos of the new command center below. Updated photos of the newly complete building coming soon. *Jackie Gleason - In an ongoing effort to increase capacity along the heaviest used bus lines, Gleason underwent modification for articulated bus operations. The B35 line was converted to full-time artic operation in September 2018. The depot also began a complete upgrade of its CNG facility and components. This depot upgrade and rehab is scheduled to be complete by April 2019. *Jamaica - Construction of the new Jamaica Depot is now in the final phase of planning. These discussions include the finalization of the design, the acquisition site preparation, and the overall logistics of the new depot. The official project completion date is now expected for 2020 even though it is currently behind schedule. The existing depot will be demolished, and a new expanded building will be replaced in the current location along with newly purchased property adjacent to lot in order to facilitate expansion, and articulated bus operations. Preliminary plans for for the closing of the depot to be "transitional," so service will not be interrupted in any type of major ways. Final depot design is slightly behind schedule and now expected to begin the completion process in Summer 2019. *Manhattanville - Preliminary reports now show MTA will soon begin the planning for upgrades of the Manhattanville Depot in the West Harlem section of Manhattan also known as Manhattanville. These upgrades will make it the "greenest" depot in New York City. In short, the depot will be transformed into a state-of-the-are High Energy Efficient Facility. Additional details coming soon. The project is expected to be complete in the Spring of 2020. As MV was one of the first depots to feature an all-alternative-energy fleet, it will be one of the first to implement the next hybrids, as well as future electric bus models. New Command Center photos courtesy of ENY, ENY Depot, and MTA Bus Operations. Edited March 17, 2019 by East New York 61 Quote
East New York Posted June 24, 2013 Author #2 Posted June 24, 2013 (edited) Back off an extended vacation......... Give me a few days to get the updates together and compiled...... My apologies, but I have been very busy in my career..... Some bus related and we will get to that as well. . See you soon guys! Edited May 16, 2015 by East New York 3 Quote
GojiMet86 Posted June 24, 2013 #4 Posted June 24, 2013 Dante's Inferno, that's a good handle. 0 Quote
East New York Posted August 7, 2014 Author #5 Posted August 7, 2014 (edited) Major Updates for bus orders. The Prevost express procurement is reported to be running smoothly, with all buses expected to be delivered on scheduled by June 2016 The pilot bus for the New Flyer Xcelsior order has reportedly failed its initial audit inspection. This is not uncommon, and should not have any impact of an on-time delivery for the order, which will run through 2016. The first pilot is still expected on MTA property in the coming days. The scheduling for award has changed once again for the next bus orders as well. Effective immediately, MTA expects to award all 331 articulated buses at the same time. Originally planed to be split into 2 separate projects, the award is now projected for December at the latest, with the entire MTA Bus fleet to be delivered by March of 2016. This will also include the 45 standard 40 foot buses that will be awarded at the same time as well. Delivery of the first pilots are expected in the 3rd or 4th quarter of 2015. Edited August 8, 2014 by East New York 6 Quote
XcelsiorBoii4888 Posted August 7, 2014 #6 Posted August 7, 2014 Smh, how does New Flyer fail? I give up with that company. I wish Nova made the Xcelsior. 2 Quote
East New York Posted August 7, 2014 Author #7 Posted August 7, 2014 Smh, how does New Flyer fail? I give up with that company. I wish Nova made the Xcelsior. Actually, Nova NEVER passed an initial audit inspection with the RTS, LFSA or Prevost. Orion didn't pass with any model prior to the EPA 10's either. MTA is the toughest agency in the country to get pass initial audit inspection. The first part of the 2200 series MCI buses failed audit inspection more times than any other bus. To date the smoothest testing for all MTA new bus acceptance programs were the 8600 series RTS, Orion VII E10, and the Prevost test batch. (Note: None of those orders were for more than 104 buses) 2 Quote
XcelsiorBoii4888 Posted August 7, 2014 #8 Posted August 7, 2014 Actually, Nova NEVER passed an initial audit inspection with the RTS, LFSA or Prevost. Orion didn't pass with any model prior to the EPA 10's either. MTA is the toughest agency in the country to get pass initial audit inspection. The first part of the 2200 series MCI buses failed audit inspection more times than any other bus. To date the smoothest testing for all MTA new bus acceptance programs were the 8600 series RTS, Orion VII E10, and the Prevost test batch. (Note: None of those orders were for more than 104 buses) Well then, I'm sorry New Flyer. The way you said it made it seem as if they failed something so simple. Do you know exactly what they get tested on, for the MTA to be so strict? 0 Quote
DaimlerBuses Posted August 8, 2014 #9 Posted August 8, 2014 Well then, I'm sorry New Flyer. The way you said it made it seem as if they failed something so simple. Do you know exactly what they get tested on, for the MTA to be so strict? Everything that is specified in the RFP specifications, so to put things in context a bus could be failed for something as simple as a sticker missing or in the wrong place. 4 Quote
East New York Posted August 8, 2014 Author #10 Posted August 8, 2014 (edited) New Fleet Numbes: Prevost 2490-2789 New Flyer XD40 7090-7365 Nova LFS 8090-8503 New Flyer Spec change from the previous order include Luminaor Titan destination signs Everything that is specified in the RFP specifications, so to put things in context a bus could be failed for something as simple as a sticker missing or in the wrong place. That is 100% correct bro. MTA is that definitely the agency that will fail you for a sticker. Edited August 13, 2014 by East New York 4 Quote
The TransitMan Posted August 8, 2014 #11 Posted August 8, 2014 (edited) New Fleet Numbes: Prevost 2490-2789 New Flyer XD40 7090-7365 Nova LFS 8090-8403 New Flyer Spec change from the previous order include Luminaor Titan destination signs So no more 2300s for the Prevost? That's better. Also, assuming the option order kicks in, the NEW numbers will follow (Ex. #7366-up, #8404-up) Edited August 8, 2014 by The TransitMan 0 Quote
limitednyc Posted August 9, 2014 #12 Posted August 9, 2014 is there a mta bus express bus oeder due to be awarded i the near futere/ 0 Quote
R142A7565 Posted August 9, 2014 #13 Posted August 9, 2014 I can guess that how many New Flyer XD40 will go to Gun Hill Depot & make up the bus set they lost that Orion7NG to Staten Island to replace 1999 Orion5 ... I hope Gun Hill Depot get #7090 - #7142 ( 52 New Flyer XD40) Gun Hill Depot got 40 1999 Orion5 set to be retired & Gun Hill Depot lost 10 set of Orion7NG went to Staten Island... they lost 2012 10 Orion7NG #4040 - #4059 0 Quote
R142A7565 Posted August 9, 2014 #14 Posted August 9, 2014 So I can guess : for OA/ division for Bronx Division set to get New Flyer XD40 ) is: to replace 1999 Orion5 #7090 - #7142 ( 52 buses ). to Gun Hill Depot #7143 - #7197 ( 54 bus ) to Kingsbridge Depot #7198 - #7223 ( 25 buses ) to Eastchester Depot that for O/A division in Bronx I am interested .. That have 1999 Orion5 set to be replaced.... I am guessing 0 Quote
XcelsiorBoii4888 Posted August 9, 2014 #15 Posted August 9, 2014 So I can guess : for OA/ division for Bronx Division set to get New Flyer XD40 ) is: to replace 1999 Orion5 #7090 - #7142 ( 52 buses ). to Gun Hill Depot #7143 - #7197 ( 54 bus ) to Kingsbridge Depot #7198 - #7223 ( 25 buses ) to Eastchester Depot that for O/A division in Bronx I am interested .. That have 1999 Orion5 set to be replaced.... I am guessing I don't think the Bronx will get XD40s, I think Queens, the Bronx, and Manhattan will get LFS (since they have the LFSAs), while Brooklyn and S.I get Xcelsiors. There will be a lot if shifting, just because these buses will replace the Orion Vs/RTS doesn't mean those depots will get the exact new buses in return. 0 Quote
T J Trainman Posted August 9, 2014 #16 Posted August 9, 2014 And this order is only for NYCT not MTA Bus. 1 Quote
East New York Posted August 9, 2014 Author #17 Posted August 9, 2014 is there a mta bus express bus oeder due to be awarded i the near futere/ It was canceled. See the first post in this thread. TA ordered enough Prevost buses to bump a few MCI's over to Bus Co. I can guess that how many New Flyer XD40 will go to Gun Hill Depot & make up the bus set they lost that Orion7NG to Staten Island to replace 1999 Orion5 ... I hope Gun Hill Depot get #7090 - #7142 ( 52 New Flyer XD40) Gun Hill Depot got 40 1999 Orion5 set to be retired & Gun Hill Depot lost 10 set of Orion7NG went to Staten Island... they lost 2012 10 Orion7NG #4040 - #4059 Not at all. Word is East New York is confirmed, as well as a few others. I will get into fleet replacement later on this weekend, and which depots are expecting new buses. 3 Quote
NewFlyer 230 Posted August 9, 2014 #18 Posted August 9, 2014 I bet Queens is getting them LFS's. So ENY you said now that all the buses before 2000 are leaving with this order right? So let me get this straight so all the upcoming include 1. Novabus LFS 2. New Flyer XD40's 3. Prevost express buses 4. New Flyer XD60's 5. MTA bus 45 standard buses company unknown right now and 75 Articulated bus which we don't know what company is making them. These buses are suppose to come in 2016 as well as the MTA bus orders, correct? 0 Quote
Fresh Pond Posted August 9, 2014 #19 Posted August 9, 2014 No one knows who got the artic order yet 0 Quote
R142A7565 Posted August 9, 2014 #20 Posted August 9, 2014 I got one for the order for Jamaica Depot order for 2014 Nova Bus LFS in Queens for replacing 1996 RTS Nova Bus first I can say .. Jamaica Depot got 2011 Nova Bus LFS #8045 - #8089 (45 buses ) ... For the order replacing Jamaica Depot 1996 RTS Nova Bus ( 44 buses) the should continue to get #8090 - #8135 ( 45 buses ) So altogether Jamaica Depot got #8045 - #8135 ( 90 buses ) to replacing 1996 RTS Nova Bus order first I would say.. Guess can come reality. 0 Quote
GojiMet86 Posted August 9, 2014 #21 Posted August 9, 2014 I got one for the order for Jamaica Depot order for 2014 Nova Bus LFS in Queens for replacing 1996 RTS Nova Bus first I can say .. Jamaica Depot got 2011 Nova Bus LFS #8045 - #8089 (45 buses ) ... For the order replacing Jamaica Depot 1996 RTS Nova Bus ( 44 buses) the should continue to get #8090 - #8135 ( 45 buses ) So altogether Jamaica Depot got #8045 - #8135 ( 90 buses ) to replacing 1996 RTS Nova Bus order first I would say.. Guess can come reality. ENY's guess is much more likely to become reality, 0 Quote
East New York Posted August 10, 2014 Author #22 Posted August 10, 2014 (edited) Effective immediately, posts in this thread will no longer be deleted. They will however continue to be removed from this thread and archived in a new section for future reference. This is the only thread where posts had been deleted in order to keep focus on the opening post, which is updated regularly. I bet Queens is getting them LFS's. So ENY you said now that all the buses before 2000 are leaving with this order right? So let me get this straight so all the upcoming include1. Novabus LFS2. New Flyer XD40's3. Prevost express buses4. New Flyer XD60's5. MTA bus 45 standard buses company unknown right now and 75 Articulated bus which we don't know what company is making them. These buses are suppose to come in 2016 as well as the MTA bus orders, correct? Most all pre-1999 buses will be retired with the exception of a few Orion and RTS buses that will either be added to the System Storage Reserve Fleet, museum fleet *cough* , or shipped over to LaGuardia Depot. You have the upcoming orders correct with the exception of #4. As Fresh Pond said, the artic order has not yet been announced. However, MTA has decided to re-evaluate the order process for the next buses and award them all at the same time now. This means MTA knows exactly who the orders are going to at this time. However, I am not able to speak on all of that, and MTA will not make a final decision until the final selection process. The reason being, it is just about time for Best and Final offers from New Flyer and Nova. The TA has been in discussions with the manufactures about the new buses for a while now. MTA decided to review the new orders and change the process for procurement. Originally, there were 3 RFP's issued. 256 artics for NYCTA, 75 artics for MTABC, and 45 standard buses for MTABC. The first for the 256 artics was issued alone, then the one for MTABC buses was issued later. MTA has now decided that it is in their best interest to award all 331 artics and 45 standard buses at the same time, as they will likely get a better contract (for the artics). The more buses you order at once, the lower the costs associated. One of the only exceptions to this rule is the introduction of a new bus platform, which requires new parts, new logistics, and new maintenance and driver training. It is also being said that MTA is open to the option of splitting the artic order, but is is almost certain that the standard bus order will be sole-sourced. The contract will call for MTABC to take delivery of their buses first, with all 75 artics and 45 standards to be delivered by March of 2016. Delivery of Prevost express buses will conclude by June 2016. The remaining 256 artics for NYCT will see a delivery schedule that will stretch into 2017. No one knows who got the artic order yet ENY's guess is much more likely to become reality, That's arguable actually.... However, lots of backlash and uproar was caused a few years ago when I posted a sting of back-to-back exclusives. For the following reasons, I have been asked not to post certain details until they are confirmed "for the general public," or about to be confirmed. Here's what many may not have known... *** I broke news that MTA was getting ready to embark on a new testing program that was something we had never seen before. They would order 90 buses each, from select qualified manufactures, and put them through a rigorous head-to-head test program. Backlash: Not one single person on any transit forum from here to SubChat believed me...... Then MTA announced the details to the public 8 months later. *** Following the 90 test fleet post, less than a month later, I announced that New Flyer would be awarded a contract for C40LF buses. A bus model that at the time had already been discontinued. The backlash for this one was the most I had ever got because it ended up affecting multiple companies. Because I had gotten the information right as the ink was drying on the contract, I had no clue when I announced the order right here on NYCTF, that MTA had not yet informed New Flyer that they had won! This started a domino effect. I was directly contacted by New Flyer almost immediately as they had not been informed of such news. I laughed, told them to wait till Monday, Congratulations, and welcome back to NYC. That's one of the most infamous phone calls of my entire transit industry career. This is when the crap hit the fan. What happened next was SEPTA got word of my post and started to investigate. They originally wanted more LFR buses, yet were informed by New Flyer that the model was discontinued. When I mentioned that the only way MTA would award the contract was if they were LF models and not the redesigned LFR as they would not qualify the bus unless it went through the brand new test program that no one believed even existed. So things started to pile up and it got more crazy. Even SEPTA thought I was making some grand claim just to draw members to NYCTF, and initially dismissed it themselves. Once they confirmed it was true, their relationship with New Flyer has never been the same. Once an all next gen New Flyer operation, SEPTA is now ordering buses from Nova. At that time, I had confirmed New Flyer would resurrect the LF for MTA nearly 6 months before the first bus rolled off the line. Still, not one person believed me. Then 230 was delivered. For those reasons as well as quite a few others, I took a leave of absence from the forums. Now that I am back, I will post certain information when I feel it is important or needed. I will not argue about anything that I post. Should anyone disagree or be skeptical, it is ok to debate, add your opinion or a correction. However, I am not obligated to explain anything or list a source. I don't owe this information to anyone. The general public is NOT entitled to all the inner workings of the MTA prior to them being public. Especially when it comes to contract procurement. This is a privilege. That being said, the next orders are pretty much decided. However, as not to cause any confusion between any bus manufactures or within the MTA, I will no longer announce to whom a contract will be awarded until I receive an official go-ahead. I will continue to post all other news, updates and exclusives as I always have. I am also working on a new platform for keeping track of bus, train, and depot projects. For now, please continue to refer to the first post of this thread for Bus Operations information and news. Edited August 10, 2014 by East New York 4 Quote
SevenEleven Posted August 10, 2014 #23 Posted August 10, 2014 At that time, I had confirmed New Flyer would resurrect the LF for MTA nearly 6 months before the first bus rolled off the line. Still, not one person believed me. Then 230 was delivered. Didn't the also get lucky since CTA canceled their last order for LFs? 0 Quote
East New York Posted August 10, 2014 Author #24 Posted August 10, 2014 Didn't the also get lucky since CTA canceled their last order for LFs? Yes. That was actually the only way the order was still possible because NFI was left with excessive parts for the LF once CTA cancelled the remainder of their order, and decided not to take any options. 0 Quote
JayJay85 Posted August 11, 2014 #25 Posted August 11, 2014 I think most depots will get new buses like ENY, FLA, GA, FP, MJQ, JA, QV, CAS, YUK and GH 0 Quote
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