NICE Planned Service/Schedule Changes

[mac5689]

Mmm but the last s40 deadheads from Patchogue and Babylon. ..i would assume that the garage is at Bay Shore. ..Amityville (Sunrise Mall) and Bay Shore is almost equidistant to Bay Shore and Patchogue. .then again the scheduling would be as follow

 

Semi last and last s40 departing Patchogue

 

8:30Pm (to Sunrise Mall) to arrive at 9:45pm...layover up to 10pm run to BBabylon only (no service past Babylon) then deadheads

 

9:30Pm (To Babylon) to arrive at 10:15pm then deadheads

 

West-East last two routes

 

8pm and 9pm towards Patchogue (notice the 8pm route would make the return trip only to Babylon RR leaving at aforementioned 930pm)

 

10Pm would be run to Babylon only.

 

To say much a normal s40 makes the run in between 40-45 minutes so if the 7:30pm s40 departs Patchogue it would arrive Babylon RR at 8:15pm then a 20-25 minute run to Sunrise Mall which would arrive in between 8:35-8:40pm. (20-25 minute rest for the driver)

 

Total runtime for the s40 would be between 70-75 minutes (almost the same timing of the s66)

 

But this judgement was a optional theory now it is obsolete as the s20 got modified

 

s40 deadheads from Patchouge to Bay Shore though has existed ever since Suffolk Bus Corp has had control of the route as until 1995 all SBC routes were based out of the Bay Shore yard. Not to mention the driver probably deadheads using Sunrise Highway, which probably would mean that it probably wouldn't take that long. 

 

However if for what ever reason there is a break down on the s40 in or near Patchouge they can pull a replacement bus from the Ronkonkoma Yard, which they have done in the past. 

 

Not to mention there could be possible contract problems since Sunrise Mall falls in the areas for the Western Suffolk routes, which are awarded to EBT. While there isn't a problem with the ending in Babylon, Sunrise Mall could be another matter. 

 

I did this before the n19 was cut, so it followed the s20 route but shows that for an S40 extension would need two buses added. (To Sunrise Mall) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1P2fndMfcs-ynKHWslNO2VbvQmk6FYChYep_uMEvZbIc/edit?usp=sharing

 

(To Patchouge) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16CmfDDciQACSubSLEtCkjNUtIa3e17KAFt3QzkZwFtI/edit?usp=sharing

 

The only reason anyone wanted the S40 to be extended is because it runs every half hour, which is a pretty stupid reason to have a route extended. And again the S20 already served Babylon and Sunrise Mall, so NEVER, EVER would an extension of another route have been considered.  

Edited February 6, 2016 by mac5689

[DS4Ever]

Well all is to scrapping that route theory. ..although SCT years ago spoke of that extension like the s33 extension to Smith Haven Mall...so for some its like a faith matter but now virtually obsolete with the new s20 run through the n19 corridor between Sunrise Mall and Babylon

 

And gotcha s20 won't use Unqua road but Carmans road

 

BTW speaking of large deadheads the last s58 after reaching East Northport where does it deadhead to Ronkonkoma or where EBT is housed or another depot

[mac5689]

Well all is to scrapping that route theory. ..although SCT years ago spoke of that extension like the s33 extension to Smith Haven Mall...so for some its like a faith matter but now virtually obsolete with the new s20 run through the n19 corridor between Sunrise Mall and Babylon

 

And gotcha s20 won't use Unqua road but Carmans road

 

BTW speaking of large deadheads the last s58 after reaching East Northport where does it deadhead to Ronkonkoma or where EBT is housed or another depot

Suffolk Transit NEVER spoke about extending the S33 to Smith Haven Mall. The CONTRACTOR who they hired to do a study of the system in 2009 talked about extending the S33. 

 

The S58 is part of the Central Suffolk contract which was awarded to Suffolk Bus Corp. The S58, like the S40, has had it's deadhead the same since it was started, as before SBC it was operated by Coram Bus Service-Coram Line Service-CBS Lines. The S58 is operated out of the Ronkonkoma Yard on Sundays only, otherwise it's operated out of the Coram Depot.

Edited February 7, 2016 by mac5689

[Hound]

Well all is to scrapping that route theory. ..although SCT years ago spoke of that extension like the s33 extension to Smith Haven Mall...so for some its like a faith matter but now virtually obsolete with the new s20 run through the n19 corridor between Sunrise Mall and Babylon

 

And gotcha s20 won't use Unqua road but Carmans road

 

BTW speaking of large deadheads the last s58 after reaching East Northport where does it deadhead to Ronkonkoma or where EBT is housed or another depot

It's using Rt 110 & County Line Rd to & from Montauk Hwy. The former N19 stretch of Carmans Rd bet. Merrick Rd & Sunrise Hwy is no longer being serviced.

[DS4Ever]

Ohhh nowthat's new news to hear. ..well between carmans rd andcounty line rd is a mere two blocks away

 

Why does the s58 use the Ronkonkoma depot on Sundays. ..coram depot is closed sundays

 

So in conclusion the s58 has de facto the longest deadhead for SCT since the s92 like you mentioned co-share sunrise hard and the Hampton jitney yards

[N6 Limited]

Ohhh nowthat's new news to hear. ..well between carmans rd andcounty line rd is a mere two blocks away

The section of Merrick Rd/Montauk Hwy without service now is between Unqua Rd & Route 110, according to google maps that's 1.3 miles.

[DS4Ever]

So converting estimations that would be a 2 km distance w/o bus sservice. ..a distance parody to from Fordham Road to Mount Eden Avenue. ..woah that is a very long distance to walk

 

But hey compare that mere distance to the areas not serve by any bus route. (N73,n80.etc.)

[BM5 via Woodhaven]

So converting estimations that would be a 2 km distance w/o bus sservice. ..a distance parody to from Fordham Road to Mount Eden Avenue. ..woah that is a very long distance to walk

 

But hey compare that mere distance to the areas not serve by any bus route. (N73,n80.etc.)

Just to clarify, when you're saying parody, it's usually referring to some sort of art that is being made fun of or commented on by imitating it. I know what you're trying to say, just pointing out the word is not the appropriate one.

 

As for the distance, no one is going to walk that distance. Most would probably take whichever is closer to them, and transfer at Sunrise Mall. 

[mac5689]

Ohhh nowthat's new news to hear. ..well between carmans rd andcounty line rd is a mere two blocks away

 

Why does the s58 use the Ronkonkoma depot on Sundays. ..coram depot is closed sundays

 

So in conclusion the s58 has de facto the longest deadhead for SCT since the s92 like you mentioned co-share sunrise hard and the Hampton jitney yards

Yes SBC doesn't use the Coram Bus yard on Sundays as the S58 is the only route out of that yard that has Sunday Service. Since most of SBC's Sunday Service is on routes that are operated out of the Ronkonkoma Yard (The S40 and S45 are the only ones that aren't out of Ronkonkoma) they probably decided it made sense to use that one yard, The 3D is also operated out of the Ronkonkoma Yard on Sundays, but operated out of Bay Shore HQ on weekdays

 

The S71 deadhead to Ronkonkoma or Coram (Not sure if it was switched) from Shirley is probably pretty long pretty. Also the deadhead from the Ronkonkoma Yatd for the S66 to Center Moriches (1st Westbound bus) and the last bus to Riverhead is also probably long.

 

However the S58 doesn't deadhead to/from East Northport. The 58 Deadheads is to/from either Middle Island or Riverhead.

 

Edited February 8, 2016 by mac5689

[mac5689]

woah that is a very long distance to walk

 

Really. I use to walk that far, if not a bit farther to the supermarket. Heck I walked roughly that much for roughly 180 days last school year and it never felt that long to me.

 

 

Edited February 8, 2016 by mac5689

[checkmatechamp13]

However the S58 doesn't deadhead to/from East Northport. The 58 Deadheads is to/from either Middle Island or Riverhead.

 

What about the last bus of the night? It gets into East Northport at 8:30, but the last eastbound bus is at 7:35.

[DS4Ever]

I thoughtparody mmeant like similarly. ..thanks for the correction

 

Well yeah the s71 deadhead from Shirley is long although it goes all William Floyd Parkway to either Coram yard or Ronkonkoma yard (whichever it rest) and the s66 from Riverhead toRonkonkoma is very long almost like making a return trip to Patchogue. ..i would guess the s66 deadheading from Riverhead goes to take the 495 at Calverton

 

I guess that may be the other reason for the last s66 arriving Riverhead at 7:40pm to make a last run at 7:50pm...is to at least get some revenue from fare paying passengers as it heads to Patchogue and thus close to Ronkonkoma and would end up getting some money and not deadheading like i mentioned from Riverhead

 

Also the s58 arriving at 8:30pm should make a last run leaving at 8:45pm and arriving at Coram Plaza at 9:45pm and thusdeadheads to the depot of the aforementioned town name (Coram) since it isquite long to deadheads from East Northport to Coram with no revenue plus (likewise to said s66 leaving Riverhead at 7:40pm)

[MTA Orion Bus]

Just to clarify, when you're saying parody, it's usually referring to some sort of art that is being made fun of or commented on by imitating it. I know what you're trying to say, just pointing out the word is not the appropriate one.

 

I thoughtparody mmeant like similarly. ..thanks for the correction

Parody can have two meanings:

1) an imitation of the style of a particular writer, artist, or genre with deliberate exaggeration for comic effect.

2) an imitation or a version of something that falls far short of the real thing.

 

I would accept the word "parody" in DS4Ever's post context.

[mac5689]

I guess that may be the other reason for the last s66 arriving Riverhead at 7:40pm to make a last run at 7:50pm...is to at least get some revenue from fare paying passengers as it heads to Patchogue and thus close to Ronkonkoma and would end up getting some money and not deadheading like i mentioned from Riverhead

 

Also the s58 arriving at 8:30pm should make a last run leaving at 8:45pm and arriving at Coram Plaza at 9:45pm and thusdeadheads to the depot of the aforementioned town name (Coram) since it isquite long to deadheads from East Northport to Coram with no revenue plus (likewise to said s66 leaving Riverhead at 7:40pm)

Obviously they feel that currently the service isn't need. Nobody is going to run a bus without knowing if they will make, at least some money; nor will they do it just so the bus has a shorter deadhead time. 

 

 

 

I thoughtparody mmeant like similarly. ..thanks for the correction

 

Well yeah the s71 deadhead from Shirley is long although it goes all William Floyd Parkway to either Coram yard or Ronkonkoma yard (whichever it rest) and the s66 from Riverhead toRonkonkoma is very long almost like making a return trip to Patchogue. ..i would guess the s66 deadheading from Riverhead goes to take the 495 at Calverton

 

Why take William Floyd Pwy to get to the Ronkonkoma Yard when it's probably easier and quicker to use Sunrise Highway? 

[DS4Ever]

Ask the people who agglomeration at Smith haven mall or Coram Plaza. ..right there are a clear 7-10 passenger count and would feel confident to stay up to 9:15pm (Smith Haven Mall) or 9:45pm (at Coram Plaza )

 

Although the s58 should head to Middle Island Artist Lake and arrive therr between 10:00 and 10:15pm...after that it deadheads to the coram yard arriving it by 10:30pm thus right there the yard closes its doors to await the last s58...

 

Last month when i was waiting for the s61 to Patchogue i saw many people awaiting the last s61...i think drivers passing through Coram (or SHM) can assume to know the people who aglomerate there and as it arrives it says w/o asked." LAST S61 BUS TO PATCHOGUE" or. "LAST S58 TO RIVERHEAD, EAST NORTHPORT"

 

Yeah i forgot all about sunrise hwy since NYS 27 is more closer to Ronkonkoma than W.F. Pkwy is

[BM5 via Woodhaven]

Parody can have two meanings:

1) an imitation of the style of a particular writer, artist, or genre with deliberate exaggeration for comic effect.

2) an imitation or a version of something that falls far short of the real thing.

 

I would accept the word "parody" in DS4Ever's post context.

I still don't think "parody" fits in that statement. I feel similar would've been just fine, but regardless, I understood what he was trying to say.

Edited February 10, 2016 by BM5 via Woodhaven

[Joel Up Front]

Mango "found" some money and that's going to restore some of the cuts.  This stinks of something else, though.

 

 

WOODBURY - Nassau County Executive Ed Mangano announced this morning that some of the newly slashed NICE bus routes are going to be reinstated.

Mangano says the county has found $3 million in funding.

The money will go to restore some of the 11 routes that were slashed last month.

 

As News 12 has reported, the routes were initially slashed to help close a $7.5 million budget gap.

There is no word which routes will be restored or when they will be put back in place.

[BM5 via Woodhaven]

Mango "found" some money and that's going to restore some of the cuts. This stinks of something else, though.

I just hope that they use it wisely, and bring back routes which have caused connectivity issues.

[NY1635]

Mango "found" some money and that's going to restore some of the cuts.  This stinks of something else, though.

 

I've heard that a couple of towns in the South Shore are trying to stop non village residents from parking in the LIRR station. It's either that, or Mangano is confident that he'll get that casino in Belmont Park going to generate revenue. I'm guessing that the n80/81, n73/74, and n50 are most likely going to be restored. The n2/8, n51 are maybes.

Edited February 10, 2016 by NY1635

[BM5 via Woodhaven]

I've heard that a couple of towns in the South Shore are trying to stop non village residents from parking in the LIRR station. It's either that, or Mangano is confident that he'll get that casino in Belmont Park going to generate revenue. I'm guessing that the n80/81, n73/74, and n50 are most likely going to be restored. The n2/8, n51 are maybes.

Well the n14 is now operated by All- Island Taxi, so that's automatically a no. I don't see the n17 being restored. For the rest, if they restore the n2, n50, n73, and n81, then that should be fine. The n74 and n80 do not need to be brought back. I don't see the need to bring back the n51 either.

Edited February 10, 2016 by BM5 via Woodhaven

[Tom Meadow]

i am sure pinepower will have a boner after hearing mangano putting 3 million into restoring some routes.

[Amtrak7]

NICE has said they still had a $3M budget gap though - wouldn't this just go to fill the holes?

[N6 Limited]

I thoughtparody mmeant like similarly. ..thanks for the correction

 

Well yeah the s71 deadhead from Shirley is long although it goes all William Floyd Parkway to either Coram yard or Ronkonkoma yard (whichever it rest) and the s66 from Riverhead toRonkonkoma is very long almost like making a return trip to Patchogue. ..i would guess the s66 deadheading from Riverhead goes to take the 495 at Calverton

 

I guess that may be the other reason for the last s66 arriving Riverhead at 7:40pm to make a last run at 7:50pm...is to at least get some revenue from fare paying passengers as it heads to Patchogue and thus close to Ronkonkoma and would end up getting some money and not deadheading like i mentioned from Riverhead

 

Also the s58 arriving at 8:30pm should make a last run leaving at 8:45pm and arriving at Coram Plaza at 9:45pm and thusdeadheads to the depot of the aforementioned town name (Coram) since it isquite long to deadheads from East Northport to Coram with no revenue plus (likewise to said s66 leaving Riverhead at 7:40pm)

Ahh, you mean "parity"

 

Parody can have two meanings:

1) an imitation of the style of a particular writer, artist, or genre with deliberate exaggeration for comic effect.

2) an imitation or a version of something that falls far short of the real thing.

 

I would accept the word "parody" in DS4Ever's post context.

LOL

 

Mango "found" some money and that's going to restore some of the cuts.  This stinks of something else, though.

Sure he did. He probably had the money but let the cuts go through so that they can seem like a savior. 

 

I just hope that they use it wisely, and bring back routes which have caused connectivity issues.

Right.

 

NICE has said they still had a $3M budget gap though - wouldn't this just go to fill the holes?

It probably should. But if they want to reinstate routes for political gain they'll probably reinstate something... until the next cut. For example, they brought back the N17 only to cut it later.

[DS4Ever]

The problem with the n14 is not the taxis that traverse its former route but how people move from the outer areas of the village ctr. ..i mean the taxis can take you to your home but won't pass there unless you call them which would be a more higher fare since you're dialing a cab

 

But since it is the burbs i would assume the nominal pricing is a bargain compare to the more vulture like TLC taxis of NYC...compare a $8 ride from 34 street Herald sq. To Rockefeller ctr with a taximeter payup of almost $5.35...i guess thats why im always in defense to save bus routes since i live where the vulture taxis are

 

Changing subject to seeing the s20 modifications i would assume that the n19 won't go back to Babylon. ..i mean were talking about a 50+ year of bus service from Freeport to Babylon even before that mall existed which is why the n19 went there...the s20 is good but is a feeder route not a key route. ..before the existence of the MBSA the n19 already went to Babylon so i would clearly assume it should rightfully go back there although the timing should be modified

[MTA Orion Bus]

Something here definitely doesn't add up as NICE is still facing another budget gap. I still have my money on something corrupt.

 

Mango "found" some money and that's going to restore some of the cuts.  This stinks of something else, though.

 

Sure he did. He probably had the money but let the cuts go through so that they can seem like a savior.

I can't put my finger on what's fishy here, but maybe N6 is on to it. I don't know.

 

 

I've heard that a couple of towns in the South Shore are trying to stop non village residents from parking in the LIRR station. It's either that, or Mangano is confident that he'll get that casino in Belmont Park going to generate revenue. I'm guessing that the n80/81, n73/74, and n50 are most likely going to be restored. The n2/8, n51 are maybes.

 

Well the n14 is now operated by All- Island Taxi, so that's automatically a no. I don't see the n17 being restored. For the rest, if they restore the n2, n50, n73, and n81, then that should be fine. The n74 and n80 do not need to be brought back. I don't see the need to bring back the n51 either.

Here's the entire article from News12:

 

 

MINEOLA - Nassau County will be restoring some of the 11 NICE bus routes that were cut in January due to a budget shortage.

County Executive Ed Mangano says his budget office ended 2015 with an unexpected $45 million surplus. He says an agreement was made with Legislature leaders to use $3 million to restore many, but not all, of the routes.

 

Communities that will see restored routes include Elmont, Franklin Square, Valley Stream, Rockville Centre and Baldwin.

 

The head of the NICE Bus Riders' Union released a statement saying, "The county needs to hold NICE accountable, that the money they are receiving goes to restoration of routes and not to bolster their profit on money-making routes." Legislature Minority Leader Kevan Abrahams says he agrees.

 

"If routes are not restored, then simply put, the money won't be there," says Abrahams.

 

NICE bus says it has already printed 80,000 new schedules, taken several of the buses out of service and let a number of drivers go due to the January cuts.

 

The company says January's cuts affected only about 2 percent of their riders.

So I see the n2/8 coming back (meaning Solages could have had something to do with this sudden finding of money), but Rockville Centre is mentioned there, so it could mean the n14 as well though that would be a severe waste of money for NICE.

 

Also, who the hell cares what the head of the Bus Riders Union had to say about this. All that union does is bitch.

 

NICE has said they still had a $3M budget gap though - wouldn't this just go to fill the holes?

 

Exactly. Something is definitely wrong here. The money should go towards the maintenance and the actual structure of the system, not under-performing routes.

Edited February 10, 2016 by MTA Orion Bus