CDTA Posted April 14, 2012 Share #26 Posted April 14, 2012 There are a few ways this can work; 1. Put in track outside of the local track so not interfering with regular service (God knows how they are going to do this at Fulton St, unless it uses a new platform) 2. Decrease headways of regular service or have some go to the local and discontinue the 3. Send it through the local tracks, because of the 's current headways, it will be able to skip a few stops before getting stuck behind one. 4. Put switches at every, or every other station, so the trains can continouily switch back and forth. If none of the above Are done, this line will crash and burn. Also some more thoughts: If its this big a deal to get faster service there, why not just build it someplace it doesn't take an hour to visit? And for the love of god, let this not be as new "tourist neighborhood" like they're doing with Williamsburg. In addition, why not just name this ? It would simplify it for tourists, and will also remind people that you can take it to JFK. Also, this is pretty much the exact same f*ing route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted April 14, 2012 Share #27 Posted April 14, 2012 Are you high? Why do you think sending the A local and reducing the C sound like good ideas? I don't care what rumors have been stated, this whole extra service for the racino will not fly if it means any radical changes to current A and C service. If they want to add a few more A trains, fine, but they should not make the A run local at all during the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted April 15, 2012 Share #28 Posted April 15, 2012 THIS WILL NOT WORK!!! (Sorry about the caps...) The only way you are getting a damn super-express in there is if you build a new set of tracks. Cranberry is overcrowded, and the switching from Rutgers will only hurt the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted April 15, 2012 Share #29 Posted April 15, 2012 Again why can't we just extend the LIRR from it's current terminal to the Fulton Street Transit Center and the World Trade Center. That way it would connect with the PATH trains and it would remove the need to jam the subway tracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted April 15, 2012 Share #30 Posted April 15, 2012 Maybe you should take time to think things out... An LIRR extension from Brooklyn to LM would need a new River tunnel and excavation in LM so they can build a station in that densely packed area. And I doubt the state or the Racino are willing to put up such enormous costs just for such a line compared to this 'cheap fix' by 'hijacking' the Fulton St corridor. So again, it's NOT THAT EASY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted April 15, 2012 Author Share #31 Posted April 15, 2012 It is confirmed that NBC 4 will air the story starting with the 4:30 news on Monday 4-16. I will also get an updated briefing on Thursday 4-19. Didn't we already shoot down this stupid idea before? Now, I understand that the new Aqueduct casino thing is going to need quick access to/from Manhattan and an easy way to achieve that is through the subway. However, I do not believe it should be done on the backs of the Fulton Street riders. Like mark1447 said above, the days of the JFK Express are long gone. There's a reason why that line didn't last too long. Riders are not going to appreciate having casino-bound trains fly by nonstop while they're stuck on the locals because of the aforementioned trains hogging up the express tracks. It took over a decade to get 19/7 express service on Fulton Street and I highly doubt the riders out there will be so willing to give it up for a casino/convention center on the fringes of the damn city. Sure, you can make the argument that the nonstop trains can run in tandem with the normal trains, but based on what I've heard around here, those tracks are slow enough on their own. The super-expresses will only get stuck behind a regular and while you say it's an express in name, it won't save much time. You wanna add more service on the Rockaways branch? Add more trains and 86 these cockamamie ideas for some "super-express" Supposedly this is what a lot of people want. The area a few miles south of the casino is seen as a prime area for the new center. If it's up and running at all year, you are going to need to move a lot of people to and from there. I'm not sure if the casino is actually part of the agenda. I think the focus is the convention center and the immediate area surrounding it, which is like 6-7 miles from the casino. East New YOrk, if you have this plan on the Super Express A train, can you post up the information on the proposed service. We all appreciate it. No, all I got was cliff notes, and a briefing. More details to come Monday morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted April 15, 2012 Share #32 Posted April 15, 2012 Again why can't we just extend the LIRR from it's current terminal to the Fulton Street Transit Center and the World Trade Center. That way it would connect with the PATH trains and it would remove the need to jam the subway tracks. Again, what did Grand Concourse say..............? "Just extend the LIRR"?!? You make it sound so easy. How are you gonna even send the LIRR Atlantic Branch over to Manhattan? You already have the Subway doing all the work, plus that requires a lot of digging, and there are structues to go thru, especially Downtown with all the buildings. I agree with mark, they should just make a JFK Express to run the route. I never said anything about bringing back the JFK Express. I said this is not the Express bro. Plus the was made to give people in Manhattan and around a fast way to the Airport with connection to the PA Shuttle Bus service. But the JFK Express didn't lived passed the 90s due to low ridership, causing delays along the Fulton line at times and other reasons. Which the so called "Super Express " could also do. Besides, forget the Super Express. Who gives a damn giving addictive lotto freaks a priority with a Super express to the Casino? The priorities should be giving to those who live along the who need to get from point A and B, as it is now. If they want lotto, they also have Empire Casino up in Yonkers Central Park Avenue. The only thing I can think of is MAYBE reactivating the LIRR Far Rockaway ROW and have some sort of service to/from Penn and Ozone Park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatOne2k Posted April 15, 2012 Share #33 Posted April 15, 2012 Besides, forget the Super Express. Who gives a damn giving addictive lotto freaks a priority with a Super express to the Casino? The priorities should be giving to those who live along the who need to get from point A and B, as it is now. If they want lotto, they also have Empire Casino up in Yonkers Central Park Avenue. The only thing I can think of is MAYBE reactivating the LIRR Far Rockaway ROW and have some sort of service to/from Penn and Ozone Park. If Genting wanted they could have just funded late night service so the could run express 24/7, though Manhattan riders (and riders living near Aqueduct) would benefit if this Super Express runs 8 Av Express all night. This would also help with some of the MSG crowds when the stops running and the regular becomes local. If only those running Empire City could have funded a train extension to Yonkers Raceway since a Highway runs in the middle of Central Avenue it would have been easier to extend it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted April 15, 2012 Share #34 Posted April 15, 2012 If Genting wanted they could have just funded late night service so the could run express 24/7, though Manhattan riders (and riders living near Aqueduct) would benefit if this Super Express runs 8 Av Express all night. This would also help with some of the MSG crowds when the stops running and the regular becomes local. If only those running Empire City could have funded a train extension to Yonkers Raceway since a Highway runs in the middle of Central Avenue it would have been easier to extend it. But you would still get tied up with people complaining about the Express bypassing there stops. Besides what stops are being bypassed? The other option would be to increase the headways of the , but that won't be pleasing. Maybe Bus service at the same cost of the base fare? 2.25. For the , it would be nice to send it up to Yonkers, but not gonna happen since thats passed the city line. I'm still waiting on an update on the W20 Local / W20 BRT Service that suppose to happen along Central Park & Jerome Avenues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted April 15, 2012 Author Share #35 Posted April 15, 2012 Besides, forget the Super Express. Who gives a damn giving addictive lotto freaks a priority with a Super express to the Casino? The priorities should be giving to those who live along the who need to get from point A and B, as it is now. If they want lotto, they also have Empire Casino up in Yonkers Central Park Avenue. The only thing I can think of is MAYBE reactivating the LIRR Far Rockaway ROW and have some sort of service to/from Penn and Ozone Park. Again, from what I have been told this service has nothing to do with the casino, which is miles away from the proposed convention center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted April 15, 2012 Share #36 Posted April 15, 2012 Again, from what I have been told this service has nothing to do with the casino, which is miles away from the proposed convention center. Oh ok. To bad they can't just keep that in place along the West Side. The is being extended there anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatOne2k Posted April 15, 2012 Share #37 Posted April 15, 2012 For the , it would be nice to send it up to Yonkers, but not gonna happen since thats passed the city line. I'm still waiting on an update on the W20 Local / W20 BRT Service that suppose to happen along Central Park & Jerome Avenues. Anything is possible if MTA is paid the $$$ needed to make it happen (7 train extension) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vistausss Posted April 15, 2012 Share #38 Posted April 15, 2012 Maybe you should take time to think things out... An LIRR extension from Brooklyn to LM would need a new River tunnel and excavation in LM so they can build a station in that densely packed area. And I doubt the state or the Racino are willing to put up such enormous costs just for such a line compared to this 'cheap fix' by 'hijacking' the Fulton St corridor. So again, it's NOT THAT EASY. I'm with you that a LIRR-extenstion is way more expensive, but IF it were about to happen, why would a new tunnel be needed? Just send some via the old LIRR row or via the new tunnel to Grand Central. Perhaps they could build around some things so that the tracks are above ground on a non-interfering level (or row) to WTC. But again, I'm with you that it's more expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted April 15, 2012 Share #39 Posted April 15, 2012 He's talking about extending the LIRR Flatbush branch to go directly to Lower Manhattan. Basically a parallel line for the A. But I do agree that at the very most reactivating the old Rockaway branch and connecting it to either Penn station or GCT is probably the most likely of any such service expansion than to extend the Brooklyn branch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Express Posted April 15, 2012 Share #40 Posted April 15, 2012 In addition, why not just name this ? It would simplify it for tourists, and will also remind people that you can take it to JFK. Also, this is pretty much the exact same f*ing route. Which is EXACTLY what I said. Haters can hate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoTimer Posted April 16, 2012 Share #41 Posted April 16, 2012 Can the thing be built first, many are acting like the shovel is already in the ground for the convention center, its gonna be a battle just to legalize full gambling at the site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeystoneRegional Posted April 16, 2012 Share #42 Posted April 16, 2012 Okay, the LIRR DOES NOT. I repeat DOES NOT serve the Racino or future [assuming it'll be built] Convention Center. If the plan were to go forward, the only way to mitigate the 's conjestion and possible disappointed regular passengers, as well as other forms of existing modes of transit and connections is to reactivate the Abandoned LIRR Rockaway R.O.W. As for train service, I would prefer a Light Rail, which runs quiet but more frequent and faster than a bus rapid transit line. However I could agree with a heavy rail line, perhaps a Line running from Rego Park [by the LIRR Tracks with a Free Out-of-System Transfer from the Queens Blvd. Line] to Howard Beach - JFK. Please Note, the Convention Center is not set in stone so don't jump to conclusions just yet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted April 16, 2012 Share #43 Posted April 16, 2012 if it ever does good completed I suggest they reactivate the branch as an metronorth extension so LIRR trains won't have to bother electrification at metronorth specs then separate it from LIRR ROW to avoid distruption this will create frequent service with minimal distruption Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted April 16, 2012 Share #44 Posted April 16, 2012 Why don't we just use the perfectly good convention center we have in Manhattan? I believe it's called Javits Center? The new convention center is not necessary. The super express service is not practical. What happened to growing the West Side? What we need is increased service. Thankfully, this thread hasn't been infected with to Lefferts ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted April 16, 2012 Share #45 Posted April 16, 2012 err cause we talked it to death already we get it NOONE WANTS THE we are not that stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bstar1 Posted April 16, 2012 Share #46 Posted April 16, 2012 How would the LIRR get to Fulton St Center? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VWM Posted April 16, 2012 Share #47 Posted April 16, 2012 um... is the Aqueduct Convention Center going to replace the Javits? b/c the Madison Square Garden is moving to 11Av/34 St How would the LIRR get to Fulton St Center? It won't. The tracks are too close to the subway at Atlantic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted April 17, 2012 Share #48 Posted April 17, 2012 Well, I'd really like to see what their plan is, because I don't think they could run a super-express A even outside of rush hours without fouling up regular A (and C) service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Express Posted April 17, 2012 Share #49 Posted April 17, 2012 Is the MTA even willing to spend all the money for this? With all the projects they got already. DAMN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoTimer Posted April 17, 2012 Share #50 Posted April 17, 2012 It was just an idea tossed around should a convention center actually is built. Let the freakin building be erected, its difficult enough to get anything built in the 5 boros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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