East New York Posted April 14, 2012 Share #1 Posted April 14, 2012 "This is a Queens bound Super Express Train...." As many people know, I am a novice when it comes to the subway system. But the more I become involved in transit, the more interesting the subway becomes. I was recently informed of R179 trains possibly going to a yard that I know nothing about. When I posted this information, I said it was unconfirmed. Anyone who knows me, knows for a fact that I launched an immediate investigation into the matter! B) I have now confirmed some plans that could make a commute between lower Manhattan and the Queens that only a helicopter can top! Preliminary details call for a new A Train, that would run all express between lower Manhattan, and a new convention center that would be built in Queens. The new "Aqueduct Convention Center" as some people call it, is being proposed by Governor Cuomo, and would be the largest in the country. It would be located a few miles south of the Aquduct Racetrack if everything goes as planned. APTA New York City anyone??? I can dig it! As I learn more details of this very fascinating story, I will be sure to bring them to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted April 14, 2012 Share #2 Posted April 14, 2012 I'm confused a bit. Super Express? As in bypassing all stops between Lower Manhattan and the Aqueduct? I don't know how that would work with trains in front. This sounds more like the JFK Express . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted April 14, 2012 Share #3 Posted April 14, 2012 It better not be running during the rush hours. I don't see how this would be fair for riders of the current A stops to see the super express skip their stop. If this racino needs extra service, they should provide their own shuttle buses amd leave current A service as is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted April 14, 2012 Author Share #4 Posted April 14, 2012 I have no idea how many stops, or where they would be. My report just says "lower Manhattan and Queens proposed stations." All I know for sure is that The Fulton Street Transit Center and Aqueduct are on the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IRT Bronx Express Posted April 14, 2012 Share #5 Posted April 14, 2012 It better not be running during the rush hours... ...amd leave current A service as is.If that happens, I will take the instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princelex Posted April 14, 2012 Share #6 Posted April 14, 2012 Very interesting to say the least. I believe there is going to be a report on this "Super Express" on News 4 New York Monday morning so maybe there will be some more info on this train Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted April 14, 2012 Share #7 Posted April 14, 2012 If that happens, I will take the instead. Well Manhattan will have other options. My worry is that most of Brooklyn might be skipped (Nostrand, Utica to name 2). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted April 14, 2012 Share #8 Posted April 14, 2012 Well, at this rate, I wont be taking the home anymore! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted April 14, 2012 Share #9 Posted April 14, 2012 If that happens, I will take the instead. But the is not an alternative to the when it comes to Brooklyn and Queens. Besides its suppose to be Lower Manhattan to Queens via Brooklyn. Not Midtown and Uptown. The only alternative is the (Within Fulton Street, or Bus), but that could also get tied up if the Super Express gets delayed because of a train in front. For now, I'm gonna wait until a bit more comes in related to this. Doesn't make sense at all. This ain't the JFK Express... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amtrak7 Posted April 14, 2012 Share #10 Posted April 14, 2012 Don't forget Genting's offer to pay for better subway service and even new lines to Aqueduct, and the recent 300% ridership increase there. The MTA will do quite a bit if given lots of $$$. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lance Posted April 14, 2012 Share #11 Posted April 14, 2012 Didn't we already shoot down this stupid idea before? Now, I understand that the new Aqueduct casino thing is going to need quick access to/from Manhattan and an easy way to achieve that is through the subway. However, I do not believe it should be done on the backs of the Fulton Street riders. Like mark1447 said above, the days of the JFK Express are long gone. There's a reason why that line didn't last too long. Riders are not going to appreciate having casino-bound trains fly by nonstop while they're stuck on the locals because of the aforementioned trains hogging up the express tracks. It took over a decade to get 19/7 express service on Fulton Street and I highly doubt the riders out there will be so willing to give it up for a casino/convention center on the fringes of the damn city. Sure, you can make the argument that the nonstop trains can run in tandem with the normal trains, but based on what I've heard around here, those tracks are slow enough on their own. The super-expresses will only get stuck behind a regular and while you say it's an express in name, it won't save much time. You wanna add more service on the Rockaways branch? Add more trains and 86 these cockamamie ideas for some "super-express" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngblaze Posted April 14, 2012 Share #12 Posted April 14, 2012 Didn't we already shoot down this stupid idea before? Now, I understand that the new Aqueduct casino thing is going to need quick access to/from Manhattan and an easy way to achieve that is through the subway. However, I do not believe it should be done on the backs of the Fulton Street riders. Like mark1447 said above, the days of the JFK Express are long gone. There's a reason why that line didn't last too long. Riders are not going to appreciate having casino-bound trains fly by nonstop while they're stuck on the locals because of the aforementioned trains hogging up the express tracks. It took over a decade to get 19/7 express service on Fulton Street and I highly doubt the riders out there will be so willing to give it up for a casino/convention center on the fringes of the damn city. Sure, you can make the argument that the nonstop trains can run in tandem with the normal trains, but based on what I've heard around here, those tracks are slow enough on their own. The super-expresses will only get stuck behind a regular and while you say it's an express in name, it won't save much time. You wanna add more service on the Rockaways branch? Add more trains and 86 these cockamamie ideas for some "super-express" Indeed, those timers are ridiculous the damn local makes it there faster smh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GojiMet86 Posted April 14, 2012 Share #13 Posted April 14, 2012 They might as well rebuild the abandoned lines and make some new lines if getting people to the center is their top priority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted April 14, 2012 Share #14 Posted April 14, 2012 I don't get it. Why would they do this when they can just extend the LIRR to the Fulton Street Transit Center? Do that and call it a day. It would do the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted April 14, 2012 Share #15 Posted April 14, 2012 "Just extend the LIRR"?!? You make it sound so easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Express Posted April 14, 2012 Share #16 Posted April 14, 2012 I agree with mark, they should just make a JFK Express to run the route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted April 14, 2012 Share #17 Posted April 14, 2012 What use would the JFK express do if it has to wait behind an A train? That express was canceled because it was empty and shafted the majority of riders looking to get to Manhattan, namely the Brooklyn riders. If the racino needs extra service, fine, but not at the expense of current A service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lance Posted April 14, 2012 Share #18 Posted April 14, 2012 @trainguy47: You've got to remember, when the JFK Express did run in the '80s, regular express service on the Fulton Street line was a rush-hour only thing. At other times, the ran local in Brooklyn as the (or whatever letter it was called in the intervening years) only went to the World Trade Center. You try fitting a nonstop train behind a regular local and I guarantee you that nonstop train will go absolutely nowhere. And don't even try to suggest cutting regular express service for this damn thing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Express Posted April 14, 2012 Share #19 Posted April 14, 2012 @trainguy47: You've got to remember, when the JFK Express did run in the '80s, regular express service on the Fulton Street line was a rush-hour only thing. At other times, the ran local in Brooklyn as the (or whatever letter it was called in the intervening years) only went to the World Trade Center. You try fitting a nonstop train behind a regular local and I guarantee you that nonstop train will go absolutely nowhere. And don't even try to suggest cutting regular express service for this damn thing... Ahem, its 97. Cut the !? Are you high!? Did you even read the first damn post? They are suggesting a new line be made. Why the hell would I want to cut the normal Express service, when you have the providing Local Service. I do not know what to say about you people these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted April 14, 2012 Share #20 Posted April 14, 2012 Like I said before: how are you going to run this JFK Express when you have A trains in front of it? The only way for the JFK train to work is by making the A local and leaving the express tracks empty for just that train. It'll never work and it should not be brought back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NX Express Posted April 14, 2012 Share #21 Posted April 14, 2012 Why is this an official thread? On topic, unless they run it via the LIRR somehow, it's not happening. Let's face it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GojiMet86 Posted April 14, 2012 Share #22 Posted April 14, 2012 Why is this an official thread? On topic, unless they run it via the LIRR somehow, it's not happening. Let's face it. East New York posted it, and it's from a source, and as some of us know, ENY's info is very credible, so it's not like some rumor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Far Rock Depot Posted April 14, 2012 Share #23 Posted April 14, 2012 the death of the JFK Express was indeed due to low ridership. And who can blame that? They charged an extra 5.30 and it still didn't serve the terminals directly. Take off the extrafare and it may have lasted longer. But as stated before, it was easier then with practically noregular express service then. Obviously Cuomo is smoking something really good and probably hasn't risen a subway train in decades. I'll bet the MTA board is laughing at that idea. I'll bet the old lirr row is gonna come intoplay soon in the bucket of ideas. But this is what should be first: approve the convention idea first! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ MC Posted April 14, 2012 Share #24 Posted April 14, 2012 So basically this is a new subway line that is being proposed? If it is that's cool. However if it's going to be using the tracks shared by the A line then their could be some issues with that. I'll wait until more info comes out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Express Posted April 14, 2012 Share #25 Posted April 14, 2012 So basically this is a new subway line that is being proposed? If it is that's cool. However if it's going to be using the tracks shared by the A line then their could be some issues with that. I'll wait until more info comes out. From what I heard, it is supposed to be new subway tracks according to the 1st post. If it is, I was suggesting that they use the bullet as the not that they bring the back, running along the Express or wherever it used to run. It has to be a new line, because the is already fully Express to Euclid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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