Best article I've read about reactivating the Rockaway Beach line

[NY1635]

The would replace the and the would no longer run to Rockaway Park. That'll only be 9 TPH on the at peak hours.

 

 

 

The people who live around LGA don't want a subway or Air-Train, so I don't think a would go past QBL.

 

 

What about Far Rockaway bound trains?

[Threxx]

What about Far Rockaway bound trains?

 

 

I explained that, re-read the post...

[NY1635]

I explained that, re-read the post...

 

 

Aside from LIRR, The Far Rockaway is the only train the gives Far Rockaway and certain parts of Nassau County a service to Manhattan and Brooklyn. If you make the Far Rockaway run on peak hours, then people will get angry.

[Roadcruiser1]

There isn't going to be an either okay? A lack of connection to the subway system guarantees that. if something is to run on the Rockaway Beach Branch it should work to replace the .

[Threxx]

Aside from LIRR, The Far Rockaway is the only train the gives Far Rockaway and certain parts of Nassau County a service to Manhattan and Brooklyn. If you make the Far Rockaway run on peak hours, then people will get angry.

 

 

I never said that...

 

I meant all Rockaway trains on the would go to Far Rockaway...

 

There isn't going to be an either okay. A lack of connection to the subway system guarantees that.

 

 

We were just discussing it. You don't need to come and have a negative attitude.

 

It wasn't at the top of my list anyway...

[Roadcruiser1]

Just leave it to Far Rock, He will come up with something.

[Brighton Express]

I explained that, re-read the post...

 

 

I think you need to re-read my post. The is not the best idea at all. All you need to to would be to take the to Broadway Junction, back for the , then the . It is a worthless idea.

 

The , which I was for in the beginning along with the , stands the greatest in my eye.

[Grand Concourse]

I do agree about the , but I do see what he means about the . I mean no one (other than railfans) are going to ride a line end to end unless they really don't want to transfer. With the now, a person can just take a Q38 to get from one end of the line to close to the end of another. So even here no one is going to ride the end to end.

But either way I don't think the should be extended at all.

[Roadcruiser1]

I think you need to re-read my post. The is not the best idea at all. All you need to to would be to take the to Broadway Junction, back for the , then the . It is a worthless idea.

 

The , which I was for in the beginning along with the , stands the greatest in my eye.

 

 

How is an line valuable? It would be nothing more than a glorified shuttle moving people from the Rockaways to Woodhaven. It's not going to help anyone. It should be connected to another subway line...

[Grand Concourse]

People are probably going to transfer to the express at the 1st chance they get. If they can't get the there, then that 'shuttle' would be better than extending any of the 4 lines currently on QB. The big point would be to avoid the bus altogether and have a direct train ride.

[Tokkemon]

How is an line valuable? It would be nothing more than a glorified shuttle moving people from the Rockaways to Woodhaven. It's not going to help anyone. It should be connected to another subway line...

 

 

But.... that's what the is.

[NY1635]

But.... that's what the is.

 

 

The G was a Crosstown Local that ran from 71st Continental to Smith and 9th Streets until the MTA made the G terminate at Court Square. Now, it goes from Court Square to Church Avenue, at least until the Culver Viaduct gets rehabilitated, and the G goes back to terminating at Smith/9th. The G feels like a shuttle because the MTA doesn't know what to do with the route.

[Tokkemon]

I know what it was. It still is a glorified shuttle. If they were really creative they would send it into Manhattan somehow, but that's too hard.

[Wallyhorse]

Knowing the is unreliable and way too long and (to me anyway) the likelihood that Genting (parent company of Resorts World) would want any new service serving Aqueduct via Queens Boulevard to also service lower Manhattan (which to many from outside the US like Genting is still looks at it as the financial district even if we know better), that's why I would have a new train operate 24/7 between Whitehall Street and Rockaway Park and make other changes noted previously (I'm also assuming if this line does come into existence, the SAS will be in operation by the time that happens).

[KeystoneRegional]

Knowing CB6 in Queens, I don't think Heavy Rail is going to go thru, I might even have a hard time promoting a Dedicated BRT Busway ~or~ LRT Railway. Why am I promoting Light Rail is simply because of these reasons:

 

-Operationally Sustainable, gateless payment system, use of +SBS+-Like Machines for payment. Can operate efficiently and based on demand and will not need several operators to operate the equipments, it's an eazy and simple link and go thing.

 

-Addresses noise concerns, will help mitigate train to track noise, and train propulsion noise due to super-quiet engines and smooth track and track beds.

 

-Environmentally Friendly, will blend in with the environment, cost and material usage will be lower due to low platform construction, will not affect wildlife and existing conditions in Forest Park.

 

-Modern alternative to Heavy Rail, better choice when compared with BRT, perhaps even Heavy Rail!

[Roadcruiser1]

Knowing CB6 in Queens, I don't think Heavy Rail is going to go thru, I might even have a hard time promoting a Dedicated BRT Busway ~or~ LRT Railway. Why am I promoting Light Rail is simply because of these reasons:

 

-Operationally Sustainable, gateless payment system, use of +SBS+-Like Machines for payment. Can operate efficiently and based on demand and will not need several operators to operate the equipments, it's an eazy and simple link and go thing.

 

-Addresses noise concerns, will help mitigate train to track noise, and train propulsion noise due to super-quiet engines and smooth track and track beds.

 

-Environmentally Friendly, will blend in with the environment, cost and material usage will be lower due to low platform construction, will not affect wildlife and existing conditions in Forest Park.

 

-Modern alternative to Heavy Rail, better choice when compared with BRT, perhaps even Heavy Rail!

 

The problem is it would be a seperate grade system unless if the system is made to allow it to be converted into a subway line in the future, and that is way too expensive so no. The only place we will probably see light rail is Staten Island. Nowhere else but there.

[Threxx]

Knowing the is unreliable and way too long and (to me anyway) the likelihood that Genting (parent company of Resorts World) would want any new service serving Aqueduct via Queens Boulevard to also service lower Manhattan (which to many from outside the US like Genting is still looks at it as the financial district even if we know better), that's why I would have a new train operate 24/7 between Whitehall Street and Rockaway Park and make other changes noted previously (I'm also assuming if this line does come into existence, the SAS will be in operation by the time that happens).

 

There's a reason I did not add this in my plan... the only way this will work is if the goes to Bay Parkway-Astoria and the goes 95 St-Rockaway... oh wait! We just relabeled the current as the ...

 

The is the best idea, but it only got a 4.5 out of 10 because of the possible schedule adjustments that would have to be made. The currently has more of a purpose than that idea. Quite frankly, the is similar to the , as it has one simple purpose.

[T to Dyre Avenue]

Knowing CB6 in Queens, I don't think Heavy Rail is going to go thru, I might even have a hard time promoting a Dedicated BRT Busway ~or~ LRT Railway. Why am I promoting Light Rail is simply because of these reasons:

 

-Operationally Sustainable, gateless payment system, use of +SBS+-Like Machines for payment. Can operate efficiently and based on demand and will not need several operators to operate the equipments, it's an eazy and simple link and go thing.

 

-Addresses noise concerns, will help mitigate train to track noise, and train propulsion noise due to super-quiet engines and smooth track and track beds.

 

-Environmentally Friendly, will blend in with the environment, cost and material usage will be lower due to low platform construction, will not affect wildlife and existing conditions in Forest Park.

 

-Modern alternative to Heavy Rail, better choice when compared with BRT, perhaps even Heavy Rail!

 

But light rail on the Rockaway Line will have to operate on separate tracks with separate platforms and only go as far south as Aqueduct using off-the shelf LRVs. Or it will have to use larger, custom-made (more expensive) LRVs that are able to platform at the existing A and Rockaway Shuttle stations in order to be capable of sharing tracks with the A. Joint subway/LR operation to Broad Channel and the Rockaways will require erecting catenary over the existing tracks between Liberty Junction and Hammel's Wye and removing third rail from Hammel's Wye to Rockaway Park and replacing it with catenary. It would be too many added expenses.

[Vistausss]

Or they could order diesel LRV's / third rail.

[Roadcruiser1]

Or they could order diesel LRV's / third rail.

 

 

Still doesn't solve the expenses to convert it to a subway line.

[Vistausss]

I'm well aware of that. It was just a heads-up for the Light Rail enthusiasts.

[Threxx]

I'm well aware of that. It was just a heads-up for the Light Rail enthusiasts.

 

 

There are none. It's the damn NIMBY's in Rego Park who don't want the line...

[m7zanr160s]

I like the idea. I'd have that terminate on some new outer tracks at 63rd Drive - Rego Park, or have it run to 2 Avenue, but that does cause congestion at 53rd street and W4th . Eighth Avenue would be like Sixth in that it would have two local and two express, though. Queens Blvd is full (two locals, two express), so the is out. The is too infrequent and would be a very long local route, and the 's route would be ridiculous, enough said.

[Threxx]

I like the idea. I'd have that terminate on some new outer tracks at 63rd Drive - Rego Park, or have it run to 2 Avenue, but that does cause congestion at 53rd street and W4th . Eighth Avenue would be like Sixth in that it would have two local and two express, though. Queens Blvd is full (two locals, two express), so the is out. The is too infrequent and would be a very long local route, and the 's route would be ridiculous, enough said.

 

 

Again, no one has said the is ridiculous, so how is the ridiculous? There's a reason I gave it 8/10, aproxx.

[Brighton Express]

The isn't ridiculous because it does not loop around itself, and it actually serves everywhere except for the Bronx. It has a complement Local line for all the haters too. The is just a huge circle back into Queens/Brooklyn, going down to Rockaway.

 

From reading everything here, cut the , I go with the .