TheSubwayStation Posted August 25, 2012 Share #151 Posted August 25, 2012 Because it's called thinking things through and analyzing facts. What facts? Please explain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realizm Posted August 25, 2012 Share #152 Posted August 25, 2012 Re-read this page then come up with a theory or opinion. Then I'll be more than happy to respond. It's already all typed out for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSubwayStation Posted August 25, 2012 Share #153 Posted August 25, 2012 Re-read this page then come up with a theory or opinion. Then I'll be more than happy to respond. It's already all typed out for you. I read the page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted August 25, 2012 Share #154 Posted August 25, 2012 The thing is, can the 60th St tunnel handle the increase of QBL service from Broadway? It's a trade off with Astoria residents also needing frequent service coming from the 60th Street wrap tube. Sure it can. It handles 3 lines on weekdays. In the tunnel, there'd be 24 TPH, and there'd be 9 TPH moving through. (at the switches before 63rd) It could work. However, I think that the may end up having to be split b/w 60th Street and 63rd Street because of that. A bottleneck at 57th could be avoided. The easiest way to fix that is to put switches beyond 63rd Street as well, but then you'd have the problem of giving 63rd Street too much service and clamping down the as well... Woah, woah, woah! Why are we splitting the up? We've already established that it's best to keep things consistant. If I see an train pull up, I'm going to expect it to travel via 60th Street, and I'll be in for an unpleasant surprise when it goes via 63rd Street. Aside from that, we're talking about weekend service. 8 minute headways is 7.5 TPH. Add that to 6 TPH on the and you have 13.5 TPH. On weekdays, 60th Street has the , , & running at 6 TPH each, so that's 18 TPH right there, even more when it's the height of rush hour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSubwayStation Posted August 25, 2012 Share #155 Posted August 25, 2012 Sure it can. It handles 3 lines on weekdays. Woah, woah, woah! Why are we splitting the up? We've already established that it's best to keep things consistant. If I see an train pull up, I'm going to expect it to travel via 60th Street, and I'll be in for an unpleasant surprise when it goes via 63rd Street. Aside from that, we're talking about weekend service. 8 minute headways is 7.5 TPH. Add that to 6 TPH on the and you have 13.5 TPH. On weekdays, 60th Street has the , , & running at 6 TPH each, so that's 18 TPH right there, even more when it's the height of rush hour. THANKYOU. I don't know where some people got the idea that the 60 St tube is at capacity on the weekends... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted August 26, 2012 Share #156 Posted August 26, 2012 THANK YOU. I don't know where some people got the idea that the 60 St tube is at capacity on the weekends... Since the come every ten minutes through most of the weekdays, that's not capacity nor more trains as long as the timetables are scheduled properly. Same for weekends with increased service. Don't you agree?.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j express Posted August 26, 2012 Share #157 Posted August 26, 2012 In that case would a short turn on select R trains be permissible? I think a short turn would be best by making 1 train end at White Hall st per hour while the other 6 trains continue to Bay Ridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted August 26, 2012 Share #158 Posted August 26, 2012 Cheapest is make the run every 8 minutes. No extended or 's. No and no local either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted August 26, 2012 Share #159 Posted August 26, 2012 I think a short turn would be best by making 1 train end at White Hall st per hour while the other 6 trains continue to Bay Ridge. There's no point. Then you'll have uneven headways (either along QB or in Brooklyn) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Express Posted August 26, 2012 Share #160 Posted August 26, 2012 Since the come every ten minutes through most of the weekdays, that's not capacity nor more trains as long as the timetables are scheduled properly. Same for weekends with increased service. Don't you agree?.. 100%. Woah, woah, woah! Why are we splitting the up? We've already established that it's best to keep things consistant. If I see an train pull up, I'm going to expect it to travel via 60th Street, and I'll be in for an unpleasant surprise when it goes via 63rd Street. Aside from that, we're talking about weekend service. 8 minute headways is 7.5 TPH. Add that to 6 TPH on the and you have 13.5 TPH. On weekdays, 60th Street has the , , & running at 6 TPH each, so that's 18 TPH right there, even more when it's the height of rush hour. Why are we splitting the up? If anything, I would go with increasing the weekend service. And as you said, people are going to expect the to run via the tube. Great point. How is there too much congestion on weekends in the tube anyway? If it can handle the weekdays, I am sure it can handle the and extra trains on the weekend. Cheapest is make the run every 8 minutes. No extended or 's. No and no local either. Thank-you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSubwayStation Posted August 26, 2012 Share #161 Posted August 26, 2012 Since the come every ten minutes through most of the weekdays, that's not capacity nor more trains as long as the timetables are scheduled properly. Same for weekends with increased service. Don't you agree?.. Wait, what are you trying to say? Is there room for an increased , or is there not? Your post was really convoluted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted August 26, 2012 Share #162 Posted August 26, 2012 Wait, what are you trying to say? Is there room for an increased , or is there not? Your post was really convoluted. I said that as long as the timetables are scheduled properly with increased 's on weekends and the all at 10 min headways on weekdays, then everything will work out just fine on the 60th tube. Agreed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted August 26, 2012 Share #163 Posted August 26, 2012 Wait, what are you trying to say? Is there room for an increased , or is there not? Your post was really convoluted. He's saying that there is room because the come through there during the weekdays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewFlyer 230 Posted August 26, 2012 Share #164 Posted August 26, 2012 I think the R is suffering from the the lack of trains. The A kept pulling the trains off from Jamaica and if Jamaica had those trains plus extras I believe that the R would be mush faster. The G or M has to go to the Queens blvd because there sometimes can be a whole crowd of people waiting for the R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSubwayStation Posted August 26, 2012 Share #165 Posted August 26, 2012 I think the R is suffering from the the lack of trains. The A kept pulling the trains off from Jamaica and if Jamaica had those trains plus extras I believe that the R would be mush faster. The G or M has to go to the Queens blvd because there sometimes can be a whole crowd of people waiting for the R. Nope. Jamaica yard has plenty of trains for increased weekend service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewFlyer 230 Posted August 26, 2012 Share #166 Posted August 26, 2012 Oh so the R46's that the A was taking must of been from the G train before it moved to C.I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j express Posted August 27, 2012 Share #167 Posted August 27, 2012 The R46s on the are from the . After the is eliminated Jamaica sent some R46s to Piktin Yard. During that time the was all R46 untill May 2011 when 2 sets of R68s ran on the and Jamaica sent some R160s to Coney Island. After the fleet move the is 100% R68/A, are 100% R160, and a few R46s run of the . As TheSubwayStation just said before Jamaica has over 1,000 cars to supply the need of the and put more trains on those lines whenever needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted August 27, 2012 Share #168 Posted August 27, 2012 Jamaica can send cars where they need to go, at any time. So weekend increases on any line isn't that far fetched if that line is willing to maintain R160's or R46's... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realizm Posted August 27, 2012 Share #169 Posted August 27, 2012 Exactly, but why are people suggesting running the through 63 St because of a supposed capacity constraint? I thought that the 60 St tube could handle increased weekend service. I never suggested that trains be rerouted through the 63rd st tunnel. Someone else suggested it. I was simply acknowledging the idea. Nothing wrong with that. Capacity on 60th? Of course it would be a concern if extra service was to utilize the tunnel on weekends. As for whether the tunnel can handle extra trains on the weekends? Of course it can! Where in my statements did I say it could'nt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSubwayStation Posted August 27, 2012 Share #170 Posted August 27, 2012 I never suggested that trains be rerouted through the 63rd st tunnel. Someone else suggested it. I was simply acknowledging the idea. Nothing wrong with that. Capacity on 60th? Of course it would be a concern if extra service was to utilize the tunnel on weekends. As for whether the tunnel can handle extra trains on the weekends? Of course it can! Where in my statements did I say it could'nt? My original comment was not directed at you specifically...You were just the person who responded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted August 27, 2012 Share #171 Posted August 27, 2012 All creative suggestions , but I still think the ultimate answer is increased service on QBL since it has been established already that weekend service is out of the question for a number of reasons which I guess I'll take with a grain of salt. I don't agree with local service on the weekends as that is an inconvenience to Southeast Queens residents already lacking adequete ways into Manhattan quickly. So yeah I'm sticking to my guns. Increased service. Period. Because it solves two problems, one being providing extra local service on the IND QBL other being more local service needed on the 4th Avenue local on the Brooklyn BMT particularly on the weekends. The thing is, can the 60th St tunnel handle the increase of QBL service from Broadway? It's a trade off with Astoria residents also needing frequent service coming from the 60th Street wrap tube. They should be running the more frequently on weekends. Via the 60th Street tunnel. They have the capacity. They have the cars. So why aren't they already doing it? Because the MTA doesn't have the money? Because they don't want to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vistausss Posted August 27, 2012 Share #172 Posted August 27, 2012 I don't think money is really the issue. I mean, 1 or 2 tph extra wouldn't cost them *that* much and it may even benefit them. More capacity = happier travelers = maybe even more travelers = profit (at least a bit). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NX Express Posted August 27, 2012 Share #173 Posted August 27, 2012 Money is the issue, as 2 more tph, given a 3 hour round trip (assuming no recovery time) is 6 extra crews. That's 12 more people who need to be paid for two days of work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vistausss Posted August 27, 2012 Share #174 Posted August 27, 2012 Which can turn out in happier travelers = happy to take the subway more often and can turn out in more travelers. Both of 'em create profit so part of the costs for running that extra crew is covered already in the profit it'll give 'em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSubwayStation Posted August 27, 2012 Share #175 Posted August 27, 2012 Which can turn out in happier travelers = happy to take the subway more often and can turn out in more travelers. Both of 'em create profit so part of the costs for running that extra crew is covered already in the profit it'll give 'em. I don't think that ridership will increase very much from this...Especially, since most people don't even pay attention to schedules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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