Fleet Swap Discussion Thread

[Calvin]

Notes for the 63 St track replacement, affected cars: R160A-1: 

R160s at ENY: 8313-8376 CBTC, 8377-8380, 8385-8420, 8425-8452, 8457-8532, 8537-8544, 8549-8572, 8577-8600, 8605-8652, 9943-9946, 9951-9962, 9967-9974 ->  

At 207 St for  : 8381-8384, 8453-8456, 8533-8536, 8601-8604, 9947-9950, 9967-9970

At Jamaica Yard, separate from the 5-car sets Shuttle: 8421-8424, 8545-8548, 8573-8576, 9963-9966

 

Edited September 2, 2023 by Calvin

[Calvin]

11 hours ago, Calvin said:

Notes for the 63 St track replacement, affected cars: R160A-1: 

R160s at ENY: 8313-8376 CBTC, 8377-8380, 8385-8420, 8425-8452, 8457-8532, 8537-8544, 8549-8572, 8577-8600, 8605-8652, 9943-9946, 9951-9962, 9967-9974 ->  

At 207 St for  : 8381-8384, 8453-8456, 8533-8536, 8601-8604, 9947-9950, 9967-9970

At Jamaica Yard, separate from the 5-car sets Shuttle: 8421-8424, 8545-8548, 8573-8576, 9963-9966

8313-8376 CBTC, 8377-8380, 8385-8420, 8425-8452, 8457-8532, 8537-8544, 8549-8572, 8577-8600, 8605-8652, 9943-9946, 9951-9962, 9971-9974. Total: 64 (8 trains) that's CBTC for the Canarsie  . 268 cars that's still out of ENY : 33 8 car trains with a 4-car set

207 St -> 24 listed cars = 3 trains 

Shuttle -> 16 listed cars = 2 trains. Only 1 out of 2 in-service. The other 1 is a spare and rotated in Jamaica Yard via Broadway. 

Edited September 2, 2023 by Calvin
details with number check. Listed 9967 in both sides before.

[zacster]

On 9/1/2023 at 9:49 AM, JustTheSIR said:

I think I found it

https://www.scribd.com/doc/71393701/R44-R46-Electronic-Signs

Only the first 2 pages open without a subscription.  Even though there is a free trial, I'm not signing up because then you have to remember to cancel so you don't get charged.

[VIP]

More R68/68A’s to be assigned to the  

[danielhg121]

18 minutes ago, VIP said:

More R68/68A’s to be assigned to the  

Are they pulling this from the  pool?

[Calvin]

18 minutes ago, danielhg121 said:

Are they pulling this from the  pool?

The  and , there were more R46 on Astoria than the R68/As . The  kept their amount of 25, both R68 and R68A. 

Edited September 6, 2023 by Calvin

[VIP]

6 hours ago, danielhg121 said:

Are they pulling this from the  pool?

More like Car equipment is reversing the spare factor from the  /  and their spare/put ins are R46 instead of an R68A/R68.

[SelflessPotato]

12 hours ago, zacster said:

Only the first 2 pages open without a subscription.  Even though there is a free trial, I'm not signing up because then you have to remember to cancel so you don't get charged.

Needs to be approved, but here's a reupload of the full PDF: 

 

[zacster]

It's funny, there are so many combinations on this and yet the roll signs they replaced were so inflexible with only a handful of combos.  It goes up to 1245 but a lot of them are repetitive or just variations on each other that convey no additional meaning.  There is probably room for a lot more too.  The ones I didn't see though were for the M, which is what made me comment in the first place.

Edited September 6, 2023 by zacster

[darkstar8983]

16 hours ago, VIP said:

More R68/68A’s to be assigned to the  

ugh really?! The MTA really has it out for  riders. Now fully R46s?? (thumbs down)

 

I'd better not see any complaining that MDBFs are in the 10,000s or 20,000s next update, because all I have to say is "I TOLD YOU SO". With the  now at every 8 minutes, no trains get removed from service between rush hours, so none of those trains get breaks, except for the mere 2 86 St  trips. they should have just left the  all R46s and leave the  1/2 R68 and 1/2 R46.

[Bill from Maspeth]

20 hours ago, VIP said:

More R68/68A’s to be assigned to the  

Which means more R46's on the N/W.

[JustTheSIR]

5 hours ago, darkstar8983 said:

ugh really?! The MTA really has it out for  riders. Now fully R46s?? (thumbs down)

 

I'd better not see any complaining that MDBFs are in the 10,000s or 20,000s next update, because all I have to say is "I TOLD YOU SO". With the  now at every 8 minutes, no trains get removed from service between rush hours, so none of those trains get breaks, except for the mere 2 86 St  trips. they should have just left the  all R46s and leave the  1/2 R68 and 1/2 R46.

Don’t take us back to the 1970s 

[darkstar8983]

9 hours ago, JustTheSIR said:

Don’t take us back to the 1970s 

Well clearly that’s what the MTA wants to see happen in Astoria. I think we’ve seen from firsthand experience that NO route these days can be fully R46s because of how unreliable the cars are. That’s why the  in late 2020 and 2021-2023 until now when they decided to move all available R68s not being used on the  ran like complete garbage

[U-BahnNYC]

On 9/7/2023 at 3:42 AM, darkstar8983 said:

Well clearly that’s what the MTA wants to see happen in Astoria. I think we’ve seen from firsthand experience that NO route these days can be fully R46s because of how unreliable the cars are. That’s why the  in late 2020 and 2021-2023 until now when they decided to move all available R68s not being used on the  ran like complete garbage

Oh well, riders had to experience this pre-2019, riders can suck it up and be fine too for a few years.

[Lawrence St]

11 minutes ago, U-BahnNYC said:

Oh well, riders had to experience this pre-2019, riders can suck it up and be fine too for a few years.

Actually  and riders had better maintained R46's. CIY, for whatever reason, is having issues keeping them up.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, they should have waited to activate CBTC until all the R46's were gone.

[U-BahnNYC]

4 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

Actually  and riders had better maintained R46's. CIY, for whatever reason, is having issues keeping them up.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, they should have waited to activate CBTC until all the R46's were gone.

Why are Coney's R46s worse? Have you seen the Pitkin ones? they are, no joke, falling apart.

Coney got mostly Jamaica R46s which were in better condition to begin with.

[Lawrence St]

1 hour ago, U-BahnNYC said:

Why are Coney's R46s worse? Have you seen the Pitkin ones? they are, no joke, falling apart.

Coney got mostly Jamaica R46s which were in better condition to begin with.

I’ve ridden the Pitkin ones and their fine.

[zacster]

I've been on both CI and Pitkin R46s lately and they are both in pretty rough shape.  I mostly ride the Q and even the R68s run better on that line.  I wouldn't be surprised if they start to retire the R46s even before they build up a spare factor with the R211s so they can stop maintaining them. 

[darkstar8983]

15 hours ago, U-BahnNYC said:

Oh well, riders had to experience this pre-2019, riders can suck it up and be fine too for a few years.

They didn’t have a pure R46 fleet though, and this was years before when the R46s weren’t in the dilapidated state they are now.

[darkstar8983]

15 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

Actually  and riders had better maintained R46's. CIY, for whatever reason, is having issues keeping them up.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, they should have waited to activate CBTC until all the R46's were gone.

Yes and the cars are now older. Remember that once Jamaica found out they had the green light to take all Coney Islands R160s, they let the R46s go to shit and stopped maintaining them. A few times during the swap Coney Island would send back R46s to Jamaica and had them repair the cars because they were not cleared for service. But the most important thing is that now the cars are even older and low spare factor that now got even lower because of “8-minute  service all day” meaning that these cars don’t get a break. And now that they won’t even have the R68s to help out, since clearly the MTA sees  riders as second class citizens (downgrades to the line since 2017 and a huge nosedive in late 2019-early 2020). Where are the politicians that used to fight for better subway service? Whats next, getting rid of the  just for giggles?

Edited September 11, 2023 by darkstar8983

[MJHmarc]

When the R68’s/68A’s are moved to the  &  full time, things will get better. 

[darkstar8983]

14 minutes ago, MJHmarc said:

When the R68’s/68A’s are moved to the  &  full time, things will get better. 

Then the crews at Ditmars Blvd will have a field day switching out rollsigns all day. Honestly at this point they should just leave Astoria with just the , lest they risk sending out mislabeled trains

[R68ACTrain]

15 hours ago, U-BahnNYC said:

Why are Coney's R46s worse? Have you seen the Pitkin ones? they are, no joke, falling apart.

Coney got mostly Jamaica R46s which were in better condition to begin with.

The Pitkin R46s are better than the Coney Island ones for sure. The Pitkins ones don't have it as bad as you think.

[Ale188]

15 hours ago, U-BahnNYC said:

Why are Coney's R46s worse? Have you seen the Pitkin ones? they are, no joke, falling apart.

Coney got mostly Jamaica R46s which were in better condition to begin with.

That's why the MTA is retiring the Pits first

[RandomRider0101]

On 9/6/2023 at 12:17 PM, darkstar8983 said:

ugh really?! The MTA really has it out for  riders. Now fully R46s?? (thumbs down)

 

I'd better not see any complaining that MDBFs are in the 10,000s or 20,000s next update, because all I have to say is "I TOLD YOU SO". With the  now at every 8 minutes, no trains get removed from service between rush hours, so none of those trains get breaks, except for the mere 2 86 St  trips. they should have just left the  all R46s and leave the  1/2 R68 and 1/2 R46.

 

On 9/7/2023 at 3:42 AM, darkstar8983 said:

Well clearly that’s what the MTA wants to see happen in Astoria. I think we’ve seen from firsthand experience that NO route these days can be fully R46s because of how unreliable the cars are. That’s why the  in late 2020 and 2021-2023 until now when they decided to move all available R68s not being used on the  ran like complete garbage

 

4 hours ago, darkstar8983 said:

Yes and the cars are now older. Remember that once Jamaica found out they had the green light to take all Coney Islands R160s, they let the R46s go to shit and stopped maintaining them. A few times during the swap Coney Island would send back R46s to Jamaica and had them repair the cars because they were not cleared for service. But the most important thing is that now the cars are even older and low spare factor that now got even lower because of “8-minute  service all day” meaning that these cars don’t get a break. And now that they won’t even have the R68s to help out, since clearly the MTA sees  riders as second class citizens (downgrades to the line since 2017 and a huge nosedive in late 2019-early 2020). Where are the politicians that used to fight for better subway service? Whats next, getting rid of the  just for giggles?

Based on other ppl's comments and my own observation, the is a much more demanding line compared to the . So for that reason alone it makes sense for the to have more R68/As, especially when they all eventually get the 96th St. Rollsigns.