R3216068E Posted September 17, 2015 Share #1 Posted September 17, 2015 http://m.nydailynews.com/new-york/no-5-b-subway-trains-worst-city-report-article-1.2364066?utm_content=bufferfee95&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=NYDNLocal+Twitter Every New Yorker's got an opinion about which train line is the worst. For the Straphangers Campaign, it's a tie between the No. 5 and the B trains. In the transit group's annual State of the Subways report, released Thursday, train lines were evaluated for dependable service, how frequently trains arrive, breakdowns, chance of getting a seat and cleanliness. The crowded No. 5 line had the most irregular service and frequent mechanical problems. Riders can forget about trying to get a seat on the train during rush hour, too. The B line, meanwhile, had below-average service frequency, delays from breakdowns and garbled subway car announcements. "The 5 and the B have been 'bottom feeders' for most of their modern careers," said Gene Russianoff of the Staphanger’s Campaign. The two lines have each been ranked the worst three times since 1997. The best ride for a MetroCard swipe goes to the No. 7 line, coming out on top for the second year in a row. No. 7 trains run more frequently than any other line, travel without a mechanical problem longer than the system average and have the cleanest cars, according to the report. MTA spokesman Kevin Ortiz defended the No. 5 and B lines' performance and criticized how the Straphangers Campaign's report ranked the trains. The No. 5 train's spotty service is caused by extensive repair work in the Bronx, while there are fewer B trains running because it's a less-crowded line, Ortiz argued. "The MTA has invested a lot of effort in communicating performance measures publicly and reporting in a transparent and timely manner, yet the Straphangers Campaign has not taken advantage of these innovations, new tools, and new data sources," Ortiz said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3216068E Posted September 17, 2015 Author Share #2 Posted September 17, 2015 IMO this is bulk sh** but it is what it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted September 17, 2015 Share #3 Posted September 17, 2015 This is BS... the TA themselves said the was the best preforming line in the system, but now its the ? I'm sure the 143 & 160s have a higher MDBF than the converted 188s & 62As.. CBTC is less reliable than the oldest signal system in the subway? Frequent mechanical breakdowns on the .. I find it hard to believe a part time line that uses NTT has frequent breakdowns, but the which uses the same cars on a line that runs 24/7 with a harsh operating environment is more reliable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RtrainBlues Posted September 17, 2015 Share #4 Posted September 17, 2015 The uptown B frequently pulls into 145th late on the middle track, so it of course leaves 145th late in the evenings. Which means the Brooklyn-bound service is delayed. Often the downtown B comes late into West 4th in the mid-evenings, with the D right behind it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted September 17, 2015 Share #5 Posted September 17, 2015 Usage yes, reliability no. The only thing they got right was the andthe crowds and work it has on the weekends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3216068E Posted September 17, 2015 Author Share #6 Posted September 17, 2015 This is BS... the TA themselves said the was the best preforming line in the system, but now its the ? I'm sure the 143 & 160s have a higher MDBF than the converted 188s & 62As.. CBTC is less reliable than the oldest signal system in the subway? Frequent mechanical breakdowns on the .. I find it hard to believe a part time line that uses NTT has frequent breakdowns, but the which uses the same cars on a line that runs 24/7 with a harsh operating environment is more reliable? Yeah I find that hard to believe to how does a part time line that uses NTTS has the most number of breakdowns. I can see the being one of the worst subway lines because of its schedule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon2305 Posted September 17, 2015 Share #7 Posted September 17, 2015 IMO this is bulk sh** but it is what it is Man I respect your opinion cause I find this whole straphangers ranking to be a complete crock of garbage. How many times after time is the ranked the "best" subway line after years of shutdowns, delays, and other bs I mean come on. I think Im getting tired of hearing too much about the , delays & rail condition and is ranked the best in the city what a perfect world, not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted September 17, 2015 Share #8 Posted September 17, 2015 Here's the State of the Subways Report 2015: http://www.straphangers.org/statesub15/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JubaionBx12+SBS Posted September 17, 2015 Share #9 Posted September 17, 2015 I have a hard time believing that there are lines clearly better or worse than others. Everything in this system is hit or miss. If anything this report seems like a subtle bashing of our longer subway routes. Look at the ones they've rated the worst the past couple of years, . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon2305 Posted September 17, 2015 Share #10 Posted September 17, 2015 Also I dont get how supposedly runs "more frequently" than other lines. Ive been on the & lines with frequent trains so that's bulls*** to me honestly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted September 17, 2015 Share #11 Posted September 17, 2015 Straphangers' has always had really shitty methodology in their "studies" and "reports", so this fluff piece of a report is not exactly shocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3216068E Posted September 17, 2015 Author Share #12 Posted September 17, 2015 Man I respect your opinion cause I find this whole straphangers ranking to be a complete crock of garbage. How many times after time is the ranked the "best" subway line after years of shutdowns, delays, and other bs I mean come on. I think Im getting tired of hearing too much about the , delays & rail condition and is ranked the best in the city what a perfect world, not. Well the is the best IMO it is the most frequent in the system for obvious reasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon2305 Posted September 17, 2015 Share #13 Posted September 17, 2015 Well according the DNA.info, CBC doesn't find the to be the best rather the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted September 17, 2015 Share #14 Posted September 17, 2015 Usage yes, reliability no. The only thing they got right was the and the crowds and work it has on the weekends. I don't think the Straphangers Campaign rates each line on both weekdays and weekends. I think it's just weekdays only, since the Straphangers Campaign knows the does so much track work every weekend that affects almost every line and their headways and whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3216068E Posted September 17, 2015 Author Share #15 Posted September 17, 2015 Well according the DNA.info, CBC doesn't find the to be the best rather the worst. Really well I have pretty good luck with the Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon2305 Posted September 17, 2015 Share #16 Posted September 17, 2015 Really well I have pretty good luck with the Wish I could say the same but I dont sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlushingExpress Posted September 17, 2015 Share #17 Posted September 17, 2015 Yeah not surprised, the train is always a piece of crap, having to wait 15+ minutes for a train at the height of rush hour is completely unacceptable and Coney Island doesn't maintain the R68/68As properly. The only reason it's not so crowded is because it becomes a local north of 59th Street-Columbus Circle, so people usually get off an wait for the or . Hmm, the has the second worst breakdown rate of all trains in the system? Looks like the R62/62As are not helping at all, and regularity of service as a whole keeps dropping, delays, delays, delays everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R188 7857 Posted September 17, 2015 Share #18 Posted September 17, 2015 Although the is my home line, this straphangers stuff is bullsh*t. The line is constantly affected by signal problems that cause delays, and almost all the time it's during the rush hours and aren't posted to the website. I know this because my mom experiences this first hand, from express trains not running, to even one time where trains weren't running between Times Sq and Queensboro. Although they might have the best fleet (brand new R188), the converted R188s aren't much good and the R62As aren't that great either. As for cleanliness, I know for sure that before the was extended, the cleaners at Times Sq really put effort into cleaning the trains. They get the job done, even if they have to hold the doors for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LexAveExp5 Posted September 17, 2015 Share #19 Posted September 17, 2015 Lol and this report comes out on the same day this happened http://abc7ny.com/traffic/7-train-service-resumes-between-manhattan-queens-after-track-issue/989188/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon2305 Posted September 17, 2015 Share #20 Posted September 17, 2015 Lol and this report comes out on the same day this happened http://abc7ny.com/traffic/7-train-service-resumes-between-manhattan-queens-after-track-issue/989188/ Ironic isn't it lol. Yeah not surprised, the train is always a piece of crap, having to wait 15+ minutes for a train at the height of rush hour is completely unacceptable and Coney Island doesn't maintain the R68/68As properly. The only reason it's not so crowded is because it becomes a local north of 59th Street-Columbus Circle, so people usually get off an wait for the or . Hmm, the has the second worst breakdown rate of all trains in the system? Looks like the R62/62As are not helping at all, and regularity of service as a whole keeps dropping, delays, delays, delays everywhere. So I guess the R142As MDF is lower by accident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BNQtrain3912 Posted September 17, 2015 Share #21 Posted September 17, 2015 I think the 2 c and r are the worst....never really had a problem with the b probably because I always take it from Brighton beach so it's always there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel The Cool Posted September 17, 2015 Share #22 Posted September 17, 2015 I disagree with part of the report Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewFlyer 230 Posted September 17, 2015 Share #23 Posted September 17, 2015 I don't agree with the results either. The while might be one of the best it isn't the top best. The I really have no strong opinion on because I don't use it all the time. From what I have used I feel like the can be a little unreliable at times the is too infrequent and crowds often which is another story in itself and the from when I used it always shows up packed like a can. I really can't come up with a route that has the worst service and reliability because any line is subject to delays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon2305 Posted September 18, 2015 Share #24 Posted September 18, 2015 One subway line I find that has improved is the . I know now why they call the "red rocket" and lately the has been steady improving. Even in the straphangers campaign table states that the with modern R142 equipment and the has more breakdown rates than the . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulrivera Posted September 18, 2015 Share #25 Posted September 18, 2015 I agree with their assessment on the ; it seems to come at whatever random time on an erratic schedule. But the isn't *that* bad, especially compared to the . I'd like to blame the R62As for the (6)'s service deteriorating but the as a whole manages quite well (relatively) with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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