Comrade96 Posted March 10, 2023 Share #3926 Posted March 10, 2023 Maybe Ill see it working the Delta today.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBTA Posted March 10, 2023 Share #3927 Posted March 10, 2023 I want to avoid it at all costs, but knowing me I’ll try to get a video down the line or a picture. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted March 10, 2023 Share #3928 Posted March 10, 2023 I guess this is official confirmation by NYCT. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mine248 Posted March 10, 2023 Share #3929 Posted March 10, 2023 Friend just saw the R211A at W4 heading uptown 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
engineerboy6561 Posted March 10, 2023 Share #3930 Posted March 10, 2023 (edited) As someone who does product development and engineering design for a living, I'd say that most modern subway car systems are incredibly complex in their own right, and the car itself has to make sure that all of those systems play nicely with each other under a wide variety of conditions. Under ideal conditions each system comes with a datasheet and a specification that describes how it will behave under normal operating conditions, and the car manufacturer will have specified everything so that the most extreme conditions the subway car is likely to see in service fall under that heading; under absolutely ideal conditions they get the car in, boot everything up, run it for a few miles, and turn it loose on passengers. In practice, it's almost never that fast; a few weeks back I had a simple test that would have taken 20 minutes if everything had been put together properly and more realistically half a day to a day to do, and it took us five and a half days because of a bunch of harness assembly issues and connection mistakes that were a mix of technicians misreading things and a couple errors on cable drawings. The MBTA is having a hell of a time right now with their new equipment, for a variety of reasons (this is CRRC Changchun's first time working in America, and in order to actually make good on their low bid for the cars themselves they're trying to hire assembly techs at like $17 an hour, so of course you'll get nonsense and mistakes), and even if the car assembler is perfect it's possible to get weird bugs because something in the subsystem specifications the assembler gave the subcontractor was either slightly off or unspecified because you didn't think it would be an issue but it absolutely is and now you're in trouble. Like the Class 180s in the UK that Alstom built were absolute shitshow lemons, even though the family of trains (the Coradia) they were derived from runs perfectly fine on the continent; the issue was that Euro trains are significantly wider and taller than British trains, and so they were trying to cram a full suite of underfloor systems under something like 10-20% less floor area, and this resulted in some really weird design decisions. That sort of thing is also why the Class 220/221/222 units in the UK intermittently smell of sewage; space constraints led Bombardier to put the toilet tank right near the exhaust (which heats up the contents and makes them offgas) and put the pressure relief valve right near the HVAC inlets (so sewer gas goes into the passenger cabin). Like if you want trains to not require a ton of testing the way to do that is to overdesign and overbuild most subsystems (which shifts the design and testing risk onto the subcontractors who make those subsystems), and then once you get a subway car working with a given configuration change as little as possible in future orders; you lose out on all the benefits that new technology will offer you but you wind up being able to get away with far less testing on introduction, and your operators and maintenance people only really need to understand the quirks of one particular set of systems (to my understanding that's how the SMEEs were, and the NTTs are that way to a lesser but still nontrivial extent). I'm biased as an engineer who likes designing state of the art stuff; I'd love to see aluminum honeycomb construction, Jacobs bogies, plug doors, and silicon carbide traction inverters come to NYC, but I don't want to minimize the amount of work needed to make that happen. Edited March 10, 2023 by engineerboy6561 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris89292 Posted March 10, 2023 Share #3931 Posted March 10, 2023 2 hours ago, RTOMan said: That's not how they work... They know the foamers are out there ready to act up... The source is correct.. So the MTA can’t inform to the public about it because of some cringey lil kids that want to act up on the subway??? There should be laws implemented to limit foam activity 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris89292 Posted March 10, 2023 Share #3932 Posted March 10, 2023 1 hour ago, trainfan22 said: I guess this is official confirmation by NYCT. well at least this confirms it 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
engineerboy6561 Posted March 10, 2023 Share #3933 Posted March 10, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Chris89292 said: So the MTA can’t inform to the public about it because of some cringey lil kids that want to act up on the subway??? There should be laws implemented to limit foam activity I mean, presumably there are laws against disorderly conduct, vandalism, and tampering with TA equipment; if people do something sufficiently stupid you could bring charges under any of those laws. Like if people want to hang out and photo/video new trains there's nothing wrong with that; if they're acting out in ways that pose a risk to the equipment, the T/O, C/R, or the public then that should be addressed, and that can be addressed without cracking down on photography the way PATH does or developing special laws that specifically target being a dumbass in the presence of trains. Edited March 10, 2023 by engineerboy6561 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted March 10, 2023 Share #3934 Posted March 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Fan Railer said: The post stating 7:30 am sounds like the sign on time for the test train to broad channel. The ~2pm run out of 207 is the revenue test. So this is a one trip test? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkstar8983 Posted March 10, 2023 Share #3935 Posted March 10, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Lawrence St said: So this is a one trip test? Maybe it might run how it was proposed yesterday - ~2-9PM. but since it is an "Extra train" the trip direction is not yet known (if its going to be a Rockaway or Lefferts ). It might even be a short-turn to Euclid Av to have direct access to Pitkin Yard in-between trips. Edited March 10, 2023 by darkstar8983 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted March 10, 2023 Share #3936 Posted March 10, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, darkstar8983 said: Maybe it might run how it was proposed yesterday - ~2-9PM. but since it is an "Extra train" the trip direction is not yet known (if its going to be a Rockaway or Lefferts ) Assuming that the departure prior is Ozone Park, I would guess the logical branch would be Rockaway. Edited March 10, 2023 by Lawrence St 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon2305 Posted March 10, 2023 Share #3937 Posted March 10, 2023 The R211A should currently be on one of the layup tracks at Dyckman Street. Banners to signify the "Inaugural" run have been placed at each end the train storm doors. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkstar8983 Posted March 10, 2023 Share #3938 Posted March 10, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Lawrence St said: Assuming that the departure prior is Ozone Park, I would guess the logical branch would be Rockaway. According to MTA subway time, out of Inwood-207 St, there is 1:53PM Rockaway trip, followed by a 1:58PM Lefferts Blvd trip, then a 2:08PM Rockaway trip (which matches the base schedule for the ), so foamers won't be able to track the R211 as easily as they hoped to via mta subwaytime, like the R32 trip was tracked as being a to Brighton Beach instead of a Coney Island . This is again considering that the R211 trip is extra and not taking the place of an R46 or R179 train. Edited March 10, 2023 by darkstar8983 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkstar8983 Posted March 10, 2023 Share #3939 Posted March 10, 2023 14 minutes ago, darkstar8983 said: According to MTA subway time, out of Inwood-207 St, there is 1:53PM Rockaway trip, followed by a 1:58PM Lefferts Blvd trip, then a 2:08PM Rockaway trip (which matches the base schedule for the ), so foamers won't be able to track the R211 as easily as they hoped to via mta subwaytime, like the R32 trip was tracked as being a to Brighton Beach instead of a Coney Island . This is again considering that the R211 trip is extra and not taking the place of an R46 or R179 train. I caught the train. It’s the 1:53PM out of Far Rockaway. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBTA Posted March 10, 2023 Share #3940 Posted March 10, 2023 (edited) This might be the run times for the trips: 2:08 outta 168 4:12 outta Far Rock 6:08 to Lefferts 7:48 outta Lefferts (I could entirely be wrong but those are my guesses). Edited March 10, 2023 by NBTA Someone just said the right time, so I had to change it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCTransitFilms Posted March 10, 2023 Share #3941 Posted March 10, 2023 Its official guys! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N6 Limited Posted March 10, 2023 Share #3942 Posted March 10, 2023 Press conference. https://www.youtube.com/live/gyAT4c1W5AY 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted March 10, 2023 Share #3943 Posted March 10, 2023 36 minutes ago, darkstar8983 said: I caught the train. It’s the 1:53PM out of Far Rockaway. Out of Far Rockaway or 168th St??? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mpn4179 Posted March 10, 2023 Share #3944 Posted March 10, 2023 26 minutes ago, Lawrence St said: Out of Far Rockaway or 168th St??? It’s the 1:53 train to Far Rockaway. The run started at Inwood-207th Street. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkstar8983 Posted March 10, 2023 Share #3945 Posted March 10, 2023 1 hour ago, darkstar8983 said: I caught the train. It’s the 1:53PM out of Far Rockaway. Out of 207 St towards Far Rockaway 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkstar8983 Posted March 10, 2023 Share #3946 Posted March 10, 2023 13 minutes ago, Mpn4179 said: It’s the 1:53 train to Far Rockaway. The run started at Inwood-207th Street. Thanks. Didn’t see the typo. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGA Link N Train Posted March 10, 2023 Share #3947 Posted March 10, 2023 Had my fun with the 211 from 168th to 34th 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frogiefish Posted March 10, 2023 Share #3948 Posted March 10, 2023 On 3/8/2023 at 11:56 AM, Around the Horn said: Had my fun with the 211 from 168th to 34th What time does the 2nd run leave Far Rockaway? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mpn4179 Posted March 10, 2023 Share #3949 Posted March 10, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, frogiefish said: What time does the 2nd run leave Far Rockaway? It just left at 3:51 pm. It’s on its way to Beach 36th Street as I type this. I’m on it riding back to Manhattan. Edited March 10, 2023 by Mpn4179 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridgeviewer382 Posted March 10, 2023 Share #3950 Posted March 10, 2023 It was nice seeing the train in person. I only rode it from 190th to 125th, but it was a pleasant ride. Here's a clip of you're curious: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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