Department of Subways - Proposals/Ideas

[bobtehpanda]

4 hours ago, CenSin said:

Where does it go from there?

Depending on how you like your foam, half to the Bypass, and half to either PW (better for ROW acquisition purposes for the Bypass) or Northern (additional coverage)

[LGA Link N Train]

Since all of you were talking about De - interlining earlier. I decided to make a map (still work in progress so I won't release it yet) what was the plan to De interline QBL and Broadway post SAS Phase 3 again?

[LGA Link N Train]

Well, here's a De-interlined NYC subway map using http://app.enmodal.co/?id=8590a16d0859b5c7#

63 St under this map is built to handle about 60 TPH and the is a Rush Hour-Midday ONLY route

I feel like I could've done better but this is good for now

Edited March 13, 2018 by LGA Link N train

[RR503]

21 minutes ago, LGA Link N train said:

Well, here's a De-interlined NYC subway map using http://app.enmodal.co/?id=8590a16d0859b5c7#

63 St under this map is built to handle about 60 TPH and the is a Rush Hour-Midday ONLY route

I feel like I could've done better but this is good for now

The whole point of deinterlining is to add capacity without adding infrastructure. Given that 63rd is designed to handle only half of that, this map is moot. 

I would scratch the Broadway Express to 63rd thing, and just be happy with  via those tunnels. 

[LGA Link N Train]

19 minutes ago, RR503 said:

The whole point of deinterlining is to add capacity without adding infrastructure. Given that 63rd is designed to handle only half of that, this map is moot. 

I would scratch the Broadway Express to 63rd thing, and just be happy with  via those tunnels. 

so cut the from this map?

[LGA Link N Train]

19 minutes ago, LGA Link N train said:

updated it http://app.enmodal.co/?id=9481b07c1948a469 

Keeping the as a Rush Hour Route. Assuming that SAS can handle 30 TPH
 

gets about 14-13 TPH

gets about 14-15 TPH

is limited so it gets 2-3 TPH 

depending on ridership

 

[T to Dyre Avenue]

Why would you run the  train at only two or three tph...or only once every 20 or 30 minutes? What would be the purpose?

Edited March 13, 2018 by T to Dyre Avenue

[LGA Link N Train]

4 minutes ago, T to Dyre Avenue said:

Why would you run the  train at only two or three tph...or only once every 20 or 30 minutes? What would be the purpose?

it's supposed to be a (Limited) Rush Hour - Midday service. OR I could cut the all together

[Lance]

Running subway trains at railroad intervals is a sure-fire way to ensure nobody uses that service.

[LGA Link N Train]

6 minutes ago, Lance said:

Running subway trains at railroad intervals is a sure-fire way to ensure nobody uses that service.

huh. I'm confused. 

 

wait, never mind I figured out what you meant. can you delete this please?

Edited March 13, 2018 by LGA Link N train

[officiallyliam]

15 hours ago, LGA Link N train said:

Well, here's a De-interlined NYC subway map using http://app.enmodal.co/?id=8590a16d0859b5c7#

63 St under this map is built to handle about 60 TPH and the is a Rush Hour-Midday ONLY route

I feel like I could've done better but this is good for now

You haven't de-interlined Queens Blvd if the locals and expresses are still split between 53rd and 63rd, and the same merges at Queens Plaza and 36th Street that exist today wouldn't go away. Make the  and  expresses via 53rd, and the  and  locals via 63rd.

Instead of taking away West End's express service why not extend the  via Broadway Express and West End, with the  becoming today's  (local to Whitehall, rush hours via 4th Avenue local)? 

[bobtehpanda]

42 minutes ago, officiallyliam said:

You haven't de-interlined Queens Blvd if the locals and expresses are still split between 53rd and 63rd, and the same merges at Queens Plaza and 36th Street that exist today wouldn't go away. Make the  and  expresses via 53rd, and the  and  locals via 63rd.

Instead of taking away West End's express service why not extend the  via Broadway Express and West End, with the  becoming today's  (local to Whitehall, rush hours via 4th Avenue local)? 

Eh, I prefer local -> 53rd and express -> 63rd. That way there's still a reason for people to actually use 63rd, and a reason for people to use locals.

In fact, it might make loading better, since the only way to get a transfer at Lex would be to get on a relatively undercrowded local.

[officiallyliam]

21 minutes ago, bobtehpanda said:

Eh, I prefer local -> 53rd and express -> 63rd. That way there's still a reason for people to actually use 63rd, and a reason for people to use locals.

In fact, it might make loading better, since the only way to get a transfer at Lex would be to get on a relatively undercrowded local.

Yeah, you're right. Making the  and  locals via 53rd and the  and the 2nd Avenue  express via 63rd will help distribute loading among the Queens Blvd trains in a more even way than it is right now; it also allows the locals to serve the center of Long Island City, which seems more intuitive than having them skirt around the area by going via 63rd Street.

[MysteriousBtrain]

More a random "alternate" than a proposal.

What if the was around during montage work? How would service run?

short-turns to 57 St suspended; extra service to Bay Ridge. (See below for ) Possible skip of 49 St and weekend express service 

6-7 TPH via Manhattan bridge everyday. Some rush hour trips to Canal St. Possible extra (10 car) trains between 2 Av and Forest Hills.

6-7 TPH to Whitehall St all times.

[P3F]

I recently got a private message from an individual that brings up one valid point - I do not regularly ride the Central Park West line on weekends.

So I'd like to ask, of anyone who rides the line -- how does the  hold up during that time period? If the trains are empty, then I'd appreciate knowing that since it would eliminate the need for a discussion regarding increased service.

Thanks.

[officiallyliam]

15 minutes ago, P3F said:

I recently got a private message from an individual that brings up one valid point - I do not regularly ride the Central Park West line on weekends.

So I'd like to ask, of anyone who rides the line -- how does the  hold up during that time period? If the trains are empty, then I'd appreciate knowing that since it would eliminate the need for a discussion regarding increased service.

Thanks.

I'm also not a regular weekend rider on Central Park West, but when I have taken it, the trains are not empty. Particularly the lower half of CPW (72nd, 81st, 86th) gets a lot of ridership, mostly among tourists going to various places in Central Park, as well as the museums (AMNH, obviously, at 81st, but people also walk to the Met from there). The on weekends is often standing-room-only on weekend afternoons in both directions between 34th/42nd and Central Park West. On top of that, its pretty well-used heading downtown towards Fulton, also mostly tourists.

I don't know enough to tell you whether they are technically overcrowded, but more service would certainly be welcome. The might have higher ridership because it carries people from a wider area, but it also skips over the CPW stops that are weekend tourist destinations.

Edited March 21, 2018 by officiallyliam

[MysteriousBtrain]

1 hour ago, P3F said:

I recently got a private message from an individual that brings up one valid point - I do not regularly ride the Central Park West line on weekends.

So I'd like to ask, of anyone who rides the line -- how does the  hold up during that time period? If the trains are empty, then I'd appreciate knowing that since it would eliminate the need for a discussion regarding increased service.

Thanks.

Depends on the direction and times. AM trips from 168 aren't pack and is a lot busier than the A. PM to 168 St it is packed south of 59 St. Weekends it it rarely packed.

[Around the Horn]

When I used to use the  more regularly on Saturdays (we're talking probably 2014-2016), every single train was slammed on 8th Av from 59th on down to Canal (or Delancey when it would go via the  )

[RR503]

I think the idea that service increases should be based on current ridership alone is ridiculous. People don't use unreliable services, so using their preference to not have to factor half an hour of waiting into their trips to justify not fixing that issue serves just to dig a deeper pit for oneself. 

The  is only more important than the  insofar as it's express and serves the entire corridor. The  does the heavy lifting, serving all local stops in the core of the route, and should be treated as such. These days, it doesn't cut it. People want to travel during weekends, and they are largely turning to Uber/Lyft for those purposes these days, something that is frankly unsustainable. We've got to attract that ridership back for the sake of the city. 

[Around the Horn]

2 hours ago, officiallyliam said:

I'm also not a regular weekend rider on Central Park West, but when I have taken it, the trains are not empty. Particularly the lower half of CPW (72nd, 81st, 86th) gets a lot of ridership, mostly among tourists going to various places in Central Park, as well as the museums (AMNH, obviously, at 81st, but people also walk to the Met from there). The on weekends is often standing-room-only on weekend afternoons in both directions between 34th/42nd and Central Park West. On top of that, its pretty well-used heading downtown towards Fulton, also mostly tourists.

I don't know enough to tell you whether they are technically overcrowded, but more service would certainly be welcome. The might have higher ridership because it carries people from a wider area, but it also skips over the CPW stops that are weekend tourist destinations.

Oh without question... Any event in Central Park, you can forget about squeezing on the first  headed up there.

[Wallyhorse]

7 hours ago, Around the Horn said:

Oh without question... Any event in Central Park, you can forget about squeezing on the first  headed up there.

Which is why the should perhaps be run on weekends from say 10:00 AM-10:00 PM, at least to 145.

[officiallyliam]

8 hours ago, Wallyhorse said:

Which is why the should perhaps be run on weekends from say 10:00 AM-10:00 PM, at least to 145.

Or why  service should just be increased. Because it serves Penn Station and Port Authority, where a lot of people are entering the city, as well as Central Park West, which is a destination for many of them, it seems like a more logical place to start adding more service. As well as that, the Fulton corridor's growth has outpaced the current service levels on the . If the  returns on weekends, but the  keeps its abysmal headways, the  trains will still run crowded and the problem we're talking about here won't be solved.

[Around the Horn]

Yeah the  doesn't serve the Financial District, Port Authority or Penn Station directly, three big markets for weekend  service. I don't see that making as much of a dent as you're suggesting

[officiallyliam]

21 minutes ago, Around the Horn said:

Yeah the  doesn't serve the Financial District, Port Authority or Penn Station directly, three big markets for weekend  service. I don't see that making as much of a dent as you're suggesting

The only thing the  has going for it over the  is service to Atlantic Terminal, which isn't a big deal anyway as Atlantic is served by numerous other lines. I'm not sure what weekends are like on Sixth Avenue or Brighton, but added  service will probably be more of a help, since the majority of Brighton riders are coming from local stops, and the  is being added to Sixth Avenue weekends starting next year.

[Jemorie]

The only reason why the  is going to Midtown on weekends is for the  shutdown. Otherwise, track and signal workers would be putting up flags to the point they wouldn’t even be able to add more trains other than the 6 tph that the  and  each currently run up to on weekends. For the weekend  to Midtown to be a permanent thing, it’s still going to take some time, as long as the  steps up their game.

As for this  train “overcrowding” thing...they’ll likely just add two more round trips to the line to match up with the current midday and Saturday  headway - 8 trains an hour (or a train every 7 to 8 minutes). That’s about it.