Via Garibaldi 8 Posted May 26, 2017 Share #26 Posted May 26, 2017 That green signs are found 6365-6489. The other half have the orange signs. Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app Yeah I know, but even so, they've been around for a while now, so I'm sure they'll be retiring them sooner rather than later. The newer buses also offer better configurations inside (more room to stand than before). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted May 27, 2017 Share #27 Posted May 27, 2017 Yeah I know, but even so, they've been around for a while now, so I'm sure they'll be retiring them sooner rather than later. The newer buses also offer better configurations inside (more room to stand than before).The pre-07 OGs are next for retirement anyways. Looks like there is more than enough to not just kill the RTS, but almost everything under 6700. 6365-6489 reach their 15 yr mark at 2019, with 6490-6689 having until the early 2020's. Not saying this is the case, and I may be off in my calculations, but could it be possible that after 2020, all pre-2008 buses are finished? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted May 27, 2017 Share #28 Posted May 27, 2017 The pre-07 OGs are next for retirement anyways. Looks like there is more than enough to not just kill the RTS, but almost everything under 6700. 6365-6489 reach their 15 yr mark at 2019, with 6490-6689 having until the early 2020's. Not saying this is the case, and I may be off in my calculations, but could it be possible that after 2020, all pre-2008 buses are finished? This is just my personal read on things, but I don't see 6490 and up leaving just yet and I definitely don't see the 6600's leaving yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted May 27, 2017 Author Share #29 Posted May 27, 2017 The pre-07 OGs are next for retirement anyways. Looks like there is more than enough to not just kill the RTS, but almost everything under 6700. 6365-6489 reach their 15 yr mark at 2019, with 6490-6689 having until the early 2020's. Not saying this is the case, and I may be off in my calculations, but could it be possible that after 2020, all pre-2008 buses are finished? Just about. However, with the L train shutdown a few of the best will likely stay. The OG hybrids and RTS have had their lives extended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLX9304 Posted May 27, 2017 Share #30 Posted May 27, 2017 The pre-07 OGs are next for retirement anyways. Looks like there is more than enough to not just kill the RTS, but almost everything under 6700. 6365-6489 reach their 15 yr mark at 2019, with 6490-6689 having until the early 2020's. Not saying this is the case, and I may be off in my calculations, but could it be possible that after 2020, all pre-2008 buses are finished? Shade Jay, I agree with you 100%. The green signed buses (6365-6489) have gotten their 15 year mark. ATH, you might just get your wish. Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV184 Posted May 27, 2017 Share #31 Posted May 27, 2017 Looking at the incoming buses are the XNE40's going to be diesel? Since the mta did say they were going to order like 219 of them. Sent from my SM-G925P using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted May 27, 2017 Share #32 Posted May 27, 2017 Looking at the incoming buses are the XNE40's going to be diesel? Since the mta did say they were going to order like 219 of them. Sent from my SM-G925P using Tapatalk There is no such thing as an XNE40. What type of bus are you referring to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future ENY OP Posted May 27, 2017 Share #33 Posted May 27, 2017 There is no such thing as an XNE40. What type of bus are you referring to? I think he means the XDE40's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV184 Posted May 27, 2017 Share #34 Posted May 27, 2017 I think he means the XDE40's.Yea thats what i mean sorry i didn't say it right. Sent from my SM-G925P using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted May 27, 2017 Share #35 Posted May 27, 2017 I think he means the XDE40's. Yea thats what i mean sorry i didn't say it right. Sent from my SM-G925P using Tapatalk Diesel-Electric Hybrid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV184 Posted May 27, 2017 Share #36 Posted May 27, 2017 Diesel-Electric Hybrid.Ok thanks Sent from my SM-G925P using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted May 28, 2017 Author Share #37 Posted May 28, 2017 Looking at the incoming buses are the XNE40's going to be diesel? Since the mta did say they were going to order like 219 of them. Sent from my SM-G925P using Tapatalk 10 pilots for evaluation, and 75 production buses. Not sure where that 219 come from. MTA hasn't stated that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted May 28, 2017 Share #38 Posted May 28, 2017 10 pilots for evaluation, and 75 production buses. Not sure where that 219 come from. MTA hasn't stated that. Still 5/5 split Allison/BAE? They coming in the same time as the XD40s? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlcohen Posted May 28, 2017 Share #39 Posted May 28, 2017 On page 116 of the newly revised 2015-19 MTA Capital Program, item 03 says: * Purchase 275 Hybrid-Electric Standard Buses, with $265.4 million listed under 2017 Perhaps they're planning on ordering 75 Hybrids, with future options? See: http://web.mta.info/capital/pdf/WEB2015-2019Program_reduced.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted May 28, 2017 Share #40 Posted May 28, 2017 On page 116 of the newly revised 2015-19 MTA Capital Program, item 03 says: * Purchase 275 Hybrid-Electric Standard Buses, with $265.4 million listed under 2017 Perhaps they're planning on ordering 75 Hybrids, with future options? See: http://web.mta.info/capital/pdf/WEB2015-2019Program_reduced.pdf Interesting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted May 29, 2017 Author Share #41 Posted May 29, 2017 Ahh that 275! Lol. I didn't know that was actually out there already. The original plan was for diesels after the option order is complete, but with the governor pushing for more hybrids this is the new plan. Also makes sense for them to push the hybrid artic option forward now as well. 10 pilots allow for faster evaluation for the follow-up production order. The 200 is actually not options. Just a conversion of what was to originally be diesel, and now added to the previous hybrid base order. With that being said, it's likely the 275 buses will now have spit configurations to allow MTA more time to evaluate the Allison and BAE systems side by side fora long term basis. Yes there will still be the 5/5 split for the evaluation pilots. Now that the cat is out the bag, I didn't respond to anyone's post about pre-2008 buses being retired because yes, obviously they will with all these options on the table. Even if by some change politics get further involved and MTA is forced to cancel the pending deal with TTC , we still have 200 buses in-house that can take their spots and stay in service a bit longer. We can easily save 100 of the best RTS', and 100 of the best 1st Gen hybrids and that's that... Edit: The rest of the updates and new information now on the first page, and more detail to come this week. Including the reflection for the hybrids and the looming question mark now over these Orion VII diesels once again. We will also get into the Hybrid-Electric Articulated Evaluation program, and I added MTA Bus and Express bus procurement to the overview. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV184 Posted May 29, 2017 Share #42 Posted May 29, 2017 Ahh that 275! Lol. I didn't know that was actually out there already. The original plan was for diesels after the option order is complete, but with the governor pushing for more hybrids this is the new plan. Also makes sense for them to push the hybrid artic option forward now as well. 10 pilots allow for faster evaluation for the follow-up production order. The 200 is actually not options. Just a conversion of what was to originally be diesel, and now added to the previous hybrid base order. With that being said, it's likely the 275 buses will now have spit configurations to allow MTA more time to evaluate the Allison and BAE systems side by side fora long term basis. Yes there will still be the 5/5 split for the evaluation pilots. Now that the cat is out the bag, I didn't respond to anyone's post about pre-2008 buses being retired because yes, obviously they will with all these options on the table. Even if by some change politics get further involved and MTA is forced to cancel the pending deal with TTC , we still have 200 buses in-house that can take their spots and stay in service a bit longer. We can easily save 100 of the best RTS', and 100 of the best 1st Gen hybrids and that's that... Edit: The rest of the updates and new information now on the first page, and more detail to come this week. Including the reflection for the hybrids and the looming question mark now over these Orion VII diesels once again. We will also get into the Hybrid-Electric Articulated Evaluation program, and I added MTA Bus and Express bus procurement to the overview. The XDE40's that are coming in are they going to be split with Allison and Bae? Sent from my SM-G925P using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted May 29, 2017 Author Share #43 Posted May 29, 2017 The XDE40's that are coming in are they going to be split with Allison and Bae? Sent from my SM-G925P using Tapatalk Correct. In addition to that with all the changes on the horizon, the XDE60's may be split as well. The original plan was for the MTA to order all Allison units. This however would not be smart for a test and Evaluation and was a major point that Cait stood by. Also note the TTMG Roster is updated, all moves and transfers reflected as of 1 hour ago. Link can be found on the fist page of the Bus and Depots thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV184 Posted May 29, 2017 Share #44 Posted May 29, 2017 Correct. In addition to that with all the changes on the horizon, the XDE60's may be split as well. The original plan was for the MTA to order all Allison units. This however would not be smart for a test and Evaluation and was a major point that Cait stood by. Also note the TTMG Roster is updated, all moves and transfers reflected as of 1 hour ago. Link can be found on the fist page of the Bus and Depots thread. Ok thanks for the info Sent from my SM-G925P using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLX9304 Posted May 30, 2017 Share #45 Posted May 30, 2017 When those XDE40/60s come to town, I would like to see a very stiff competition between the XDs and the XDEs. How would they stack up against one another. Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted May 30, 2017 Author Share #46 Posted May 30, 2017 They only way they will compete with each other is in terms of fuel economy and I can tell you the ranking right now on all of them because there is no competition really. Each of them are in a different fuel class.. 1. XDE40/XDE60 Allison 2. XDE40/XDE60 BAE 2. XN40/XN60 4. XD40/XD60 The stiff competition will actually be Allison vs. BAE for the 275 production buses, and the second option for the remaining 120 Artics. Nova has been disqualified based on their pricing point. If they bring that down, they can get at least 10 of the 275 for evaluation, but it's not looking in their favor right now according to my documents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QM1to6Ave Posted May 30, 2017 Share #47 Posted May 30, 2017 They only way they will compete with each other is in terms of fuel economy and I can tell you the ranking right now on all of them because there is no competition really. Each of them are in a different fuel class.. 1. XDE40/XDE60 Allison 2. XDE40/XDE60 BAE 2. XN40/XN60 4. XD40/XD60 The stiff competition will actually be Allison vs. BAE for the 275 production buses, and the second option for the remaining 120 Artics. Nova has been disqualified based on their pricing point. If they bring that down, they can get at least 10 of the 275 for evaluation, but it's not looking in their favor right now according to my documents. Thanks as always for the great info!! Any guesses as to where the new express buses will go (mostly, I'm curious if CP will see any piece of the new express pie)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted May 31, 2017 Share #48 Posted May 31, 2017 Thanks as always for the great info!! Any guesses as to where the new express buses will go (mostly, I'm curious if CP will see any piece of the new express pie)?With or without East NY having info, you know CP is going to get some of those buses. Hell just with the QM5 and QM6 they put miles on those buses, so I'm sure they'll get their fair share. Truth be told, some B/O's I know out of Yonkers would tell me how CP had sent some of their buses up there to be fixed because they were backed up. CP has a lot of express bus lines so they're the equivalent of Eastchester Depot in Queens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted May 31, 2017 Author Share #49 Posted May 31, 2017 That is a fact. CP will definitely get some. There are actually enough to go around to all the depots, but how everything plays out will still likely depend on the bus model selected. And even they everything is subject to change as always. If every depot doesn't get a piece, BP, CP, EC, SC, and YO will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAlam Posted May 31, 2017 Share #50 Posted May 31, 2017 I just have this gut feeling that if anything goes wrong SC will be the first one to get screwed over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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