go25 Posted February 13, 2022 Share #1 Posted February 13, 2022 https://www.nj.com/news/2022/02/academy-bus-to-pay-205m-after-being-accused-of-defrauding-nj-transit-for-years.html 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted February 13, 2022 Share #2 Posted February 13, 2022 That's it? Seriously? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted February 13, 2022 Share #3 Posted February 13, 2022 One thing I don’t get is how did Academy benefit from miss-reporting trips on the 119 if they didn’t get funding to operate it, and operated solely off the farebox revenue? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
553 Bridgeton Posted February 13, 2022 Share #4 Posted February 13, 2022 2 hours ago, Lawrence St said: One thing I don’t get is how did Academy benefit from miss-reporting trips on the 119 if they didn’t get funding to operate it, and operated solely off the farebox revenue? They still have to report the trips because it’s a NJT owned line. The issue is Academy cuts trips and prioritize charters. There’s a reason they never put clever devices(and they were supposed to)in the new mcis; the commuters can’t track them so if the bus don’t show they get on a 63,64,67 or 139. The other issue is not funding for operating costs; it’s again academy making operators available for charters. Academy does not care about there transit lines because the bulk of their money comes from charters with the sport teams contracts. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted February 14, 2022 Share #5 Posted February 14, 2022 3 hours ago, 553 Bridgeton said: They still have to report the trips because it’s a NJT owned line. The issue is Academy cuts trips and prioritize charters. There’s a reason they never put clever devices(and they were supposed to)in the new mcis; the commuters can’t track them so if the bus don’t show they get on a 63,64,67 or 139. The other issue is not funding for operating costs; it’s again academy making operators available for charters. Academy does not care about there transit lines because the bulk of their money comes from charters with the sport teams contracts. All the more reason for me to say that this fine is far too low... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
go25 Posted February 15, 2022 Author Share #6 Posted February 15, 2022 Slap in the wrist. Now that they have agreed to be tracked, I'll give it a few years and if they want to, take back the Hudson County bus routes at least. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
553 Bridgeton Posted February 15, 2022 Share #7 Posted February 15, 2022 13 hours ago, go25 said: Slap in the wrist. Now that they have agreed to be tracked, I'll give it a few years and if they want to, take back the Hudson County bus routes at least. But the question is are they going to put the clever device on the state owned mcis? The 8500s-8600s and 8900s had the clever device. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
go25 Posted February 15, 2022 Author Share #8 Posted February 15, 2022 4 hours ago, 553 Bridgeton said: But the question is are they going to put the clever device on the state owned mcis? The 8500s-8600s and 8900s had the clever device. They have to. As part of the fine Academy paid, they agreed to be tracked 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted March 9, 2022 Share #9 Posted March 9, 2022 NJT is set to award the contract back to Academy Bus next week. So your telling me Coach spent all that time and money to train operators for 6 months just to give it back? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlxMtroD Posted March 10, 2022 Share #10 Posted March 10, 2022 6 hours ago, Lawrence St said: NJT is set to award the contract back to Academy Bus next week. So your telling me Coach spent all that time and money to train operators for 6 months just to give it back? Laughable ain't it?! When I read the article on NJ.com earlier today I couldn't believe it smh. They really let the owner of Academy got off. It's like NJT is laying in the same bed with Academy because they're in the wrong as well. At least the drivers now have a shorter trip to Journal Sq, Hoboken Terminal, 91st & Bergenline Ave and others from Hoboken depot than the Elizabeth garage when it comes to starting trips and dead heading back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted March 10, 2022 Share #11 Posted March 10, 2022 11 hours ago, Lawrence St said: NJT is set to award the contract back to Academy Bus next week. That explains the laughably small fine... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
553 Bridgeton Posted March 10, 2022 Share #12 Posted March 10, 2022 Nj transit is a circus full of clowns 🤡 installing the clever device will do nothing. Academy will still use state buses on charters and miss trips. They can still lie on the reports on why they missed trips. Is Academy running NJT? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAzumah Posted March 10, 2022 Share #13 Posted March 10, 2022 17 hours ago, FlxMtroD said: Laughable ain't it?! When I read the article on NJ.com earlier today I couldn't believe it smh. They really let the owner of Academy got off. It's like NJT is laying in the same bed with Academy because they're in the wrong as well. When you write the bids for maximum efficiency, only a few companies can handle contracts at that scale. In this region, that is First Transit, Coach USA, and Academy. Technically, TransDev could have as well. Academy was placed in the penalty box. First Transit and TransDev didn't bid. Coach USA did, won it, and choked on it (too few drivers). Frankly, NJT Bus Operations could have done it in an emergency, but the cost increase would have choked them. They can't pull out 25% more money in a hurry. Yes, I expected this. No, I was not the only one that expected this. Academy can be cost competitive because they have industrialized the process of training new drivers for contracts. That is their superpower. So, they sat there, took their beating publicly, diversified their business, and waited. You can't hammer people you need to keep costs low. It is easier for NJT to manage four or five large contracts than numerous smaller ones. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted March 11, 2022 Share #14 Posted March 11, 2022 17 hours ago, JAzumah said: When you write the bids for maximum efficiency, only a few companies can handle contracts at that scale. In this region, that is First Transit, Coach USA, and Academy. Technically, TransDev could have as well. Academy was placed in the penalty box. First Transit and TransDev didn't bid. Coach USA did, won it, and choked on it (too few drivers). Frankly, NJT Bus Operations could have done it in an emergency, but the cost increase would have choked them. They can't pull out 25% more money in a hurry.Yes, I expected this. No, I was not the only one that expected this. Academy can be cost competitive because they have industrialized the process of training new drivers for contracts. That is their superpower. So, they sat there, took their beating publicly, diversified their business, and waited. You can't hammer people you need to keep costs low. It is easier for NJT to manage four or five large contracts than numerous smaller ones. Abusive relationships are always bad. If this is the best NJT (and the state) can do, expect more of the same bullshit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46Dover Posted March 11, 2022 Share #15 Posted March 11, 2022 19 hours ago, JAzumah said: Academy was placed in the penalty box. First Transit and TransDev didn't bid. Coach USA did, won it, and choked on it (too few drivers). Frankly, NJT Bus Operations could have done it in an emergency, but the cost increase would have choked them. They can't pull out 25% more money in a hurry. Too few drivers??? Even with the promise of bringing back drivers for work (since I know the NYC lines got cut)? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAzumah Posted March 12, 2022 Share #16 Posted March 12, 2022 14 hours ago, 46Dover said: Too few drivers??? Even with the promise of bringing back drivers for work (since I know the NYC lines got cut)? Coach USA knows how to run buses. If they can't run them, it is because they do not have the drivers. PPB was offering $10,000 bonuses for new drivers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlxMtroD Posted March 15, 2022 Share #17 Posted March 15, 2022 Well..well..well https://www.nj.com/news/2022/03/after-settling-fraud-case-nj-transit-denies-48m-contracts-with-academy-bus.html 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
553 Bridgeton Posted March 15, 2022 Share #18 Posted March 15, 2022 Good. Now start taking back the state buses from there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
go25 Posted March 15, 2022 Author Share #19 Posted March 15, 2022 Looks like the 10 and 119 are gonna be under NJT after all lol 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted March 15, 2022 Share #20 Posted March 15, 2022 3 hours ago, go25 said: Looks like the 10 and 119 are gonna be under NJT after all lol Yep. Word is the 10 will be out of Greenville, and the 119 will be out of Meadowlands. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biGC323232 Posted March 15, 2022 Share #21 Posted March 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Cait Sith said: Word is the 10 will be out of Greenville, and the 119 will be out of Meadowland I always said after coach usa stop it years ago that greenville should have taking 10 and 99s at the time...few members here said greenville is at capacity and cant take anymore which i somewhat agreed to...so now greenville able to handle a 24 hour rt with they own or some nabis from nwk going to greenville...meadowlands most likely do the overnight portion of the 10 and 119 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlxMtroD Posted March 15, 2022 Share #22 Posted March 15, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, 553 Bridgeton said: 5 hours ago, go25 said: Looks like the 10 and 119 are gonna be under NJT after all lol I smell artics on some trips for the 119 as they need them badly. Edited March 15, 2022 by FlxMtroD 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biGC323232 Posted March 15, 2022 Share #23 Posted March 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, FlxMtroD said: I smell artics y'all. You know the 119 needs them and some route 10 trips. Artics might pop up on the 119 as well as MCIS probably not for the 10...unless greenville split the 10 rt with meadowlands.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted March 16, 2022 Share #24 Posted March 16, 2022 5 hours ago, biGC323232 said: I always said after coach usa stop it years ago that greenville should have taking 10 and 99s at the time...few members here said greenville is at capacity and cant take anymore which i somewhat agreed to...so now greenville able to handle a 24 hour rt with they own or some nabis from nwk going to greenville...meadowlands most likely do the overnight portion of the 10 and 119 In terms of fleet capacity, Greenville is/was at capacity. In terms of work, I have a feeling that the 10 will probably interline with the 80 or 87. The 119 I can definitely see interlining with the 123 and the 125. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The TransitMan Posted March 16, 2022 Share #25 Posted March 16, 2022 On 3/15/2022 at 1:57 AM, FlxMtroD said: Well..well..well https://www.nj.com/news/2022/03/after-settling-fraud-case-nj-transit-denies-48m-contracts-with-academy-bus.html Wait, I thought the 84, 86 and 89 routes are out of Meadowlands? Did I miss something here? Are they trying to contract those routes out? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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