EE Broadway Local Posted January 26, 2011 Share #1 Posted January 26, 2011 In the past, 8 was used for Astoria I.R.T. service (1948-1949) and again for the 70(8) I.R.T. Third Avenue El (1967 - April 29, 1973), 9 was originally for Dyre Avenue then was used as the Broadway local (1989 - May 27, 2005). IIRC, (11) was considered as a replacement number for the (which is why it is seen in a purple bullet). When the was discontinued on May 27, 2005, Neried Avenue-East 238th Street peak direction trains became simply instead of being assigned a new number to distiguish them from the Eastchester-Dyre Avenue (5)s. Was/is there consideration to use other "odd" I.R.T. route numbers that are seen from time to time such as (10) (12) (13) and is (13) the highest known route number on roll signs? Also, is it true that (8) exists on both a red and a green bullet today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilbluefoxie Posted January 26, 2011 Share #2 Posted January 26, 2011 the (8) only appears in green on the roll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTK246 Posted January 26, 2011 Share #3 Posted January 26, 2011 My best guess would be is that those numbers showed local and express service, like the or . not totally sure though, a complete guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EE Broadway Local Posted January 26, 2011 Author Share #4 Posted January 26, 2011 Thank you, lilbluefoxie. So today an (8) train would be a Lexington Avenue service. the (8) only appears in green on the roll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Local Posted January 26, 2011 Share #5 Posted January 26, 2011 Yes, I believe the (8) would be a Lex local / Pelham Express (like the )weekdays, and the would be Local; Pelham Bay Pk to Bklyn Br, all times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeGerald Posted January 26, 2011 Share #6 Posted January 26, 2011 From time to time, the MTA in its various planning departments has ideas for train routes and other features - that will never actually be activated - although the provision was there in the train route signs just in case. Those extra numbers will most probably in our life-times never be used. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asidrane Posted January 26, 2011 Share #7 Posted January 26, 2011 Isn't the 8 the official designation for the 42nd st shuttle, but the don't call it that to avoid confusion since 8 and can be easily confused? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted January 26, 2011 Share #8 Posted January 26, 2011 Isn't the 8 the official designation for the 42nd st shuttle, but the don't call it that to avoid confusion since 8 and can be easily confused? No, 0 is the internal designation for that shuttle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBus Posted January 26, 2011 Share #9 Posted January 26, 2011 Yes, I believe the (8) would be a Lex local / Pelham Express (like the )weekdays, and the would be Local; Pelham Bay Pk to Bklyn Br, all times. I actually submitted that as an official suggestion around 2004, when the 9 was still running, to reduce confusion. It was rejected. I forget the reason given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4P3607 Posted January 27, 2011 Share #10 Posted January 27, 2011 Ive seen the whole sign. It goes: (13)(8)(10)(12)(11). on the exterior sign, after , "Shuttle", "Not In Service", & "Special" are displayed after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted January 27, 2011 Share #11 Posted January 27, 2011 Wirelessly posted via (BlackBerry8520/5.0.0.900 Profile/MIDP-2.1 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/100) Ive seen the whole sign. It goes:(13)(8)(10)(12)(11). on the exterior sign, after , "Shuttle", "Not In Service", & "Special" are displayed after that. 2 things I gotta clarify... -the 12 bullet comes after the 10 bullet -the bullet comes after the (11) bullet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EE Broadway Local Posted January 27, 2011 Author Share #12 Posted January 27, 2011 Is officially used? I heard that the was considered to become the Bronx Thru Express and that there is a <2>. If so, would the full set be <2>(13)(8)(10) (12)(11)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4P3607 Posted January 27, 2011 Share #13 Posted January 27, 2011 2 things I gotta clarify... -the bullet comes after the bullet -the bullet comes after the bullet yes, thats what I put on the page! LOL. Is officially used? I heard that the was considered to become the Bronx Thru Express and that there is a <2>. If so, would the full set be <2>? no, there was never supposed to be a <2> on signs. Though there is a rumor of a red (12) and a (14) (which some people have claimed to see and I have seen it on the 42 Street Shuttle rollsign). I dont know why there is an (8) (why cant someone make a green (8) bullet as a smilie??) on the signs, and it makes no sense to be there. I wonder if ever when the R62A's were on the they put an (8) on the signs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R160 Posted January 27, 2011 Share #14 Posted January 27, 2011 I have seen both the (12) and (14) on the train. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IRT Bronx Express Posted January 27, 2011 Share #15 Posted January 27, 2011 no, there was never supposed to be a <2> on signs.Yep, it only appeared on the 2000 map, to denote a new Bronx Express that never happened due to protests from White Plains Road residents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Of RedBirds Posted March 6, 2011 Share #16 Posted March 6, 2011 I was on I think a Redbird in 2001. I was playing with the crank I remember a <2> And Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4P3607 Posted March 6, 2011 Share #17 Posted March 6, 2011 I was on I think a Redbird in 2001. I was playing with the crank I remember a <2> And <2> & should not have appeared... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Of RedBirds Posted March 6, 2011 Share #18 Posted March 6, 2011 The R30's at Coney Island have the BMT and IND versions like the <A> <E> (Mx) (Q6Av) <R> (S6) . The R30's have those like that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
via White Plains Road Posted March 6, 2011 Share #19 Posted March 6, 2011 <2> & should not have appeared... Hmmmm the would still be on the rollsign b/c it was still running eventhough it was suspended b/c September 2001 to early 2002! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4P3607 Posted March 6, 2011 Share #20 Posted March 6, 2011 Hmmmm the would still be on the rollsign b/c it was still running eventhough it was suspended b/c September 2001 to early 2002! well that makes sense even though I have never seen it... But what about the <2>? that shouldn't have appeared... :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted March 8, 2011 Share #21 Posted March 8, 2011 err... that looks nothing like the R30 sign I am looking at right now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainmaster5 Posted March 8, 2011 Share #22 Posted March 8, 2011 We did have modified rollsigns on some redbirds when the Lenox Ave invert project was in effect. It had via Lexington signs overlaid on the original signs. IIRC that was the era where a few trains ran on WPR during the am and pm rush hours although they had no special signs made for them. During the pre-redbird era I remember some end signs on the had B'way below the number, the said 7th Ave, and the said Lenox below the number. The East side trains, pre-redbird, were set up the same way on the end signs. If someone out here has access to the OLD route and destination end signs they'll notice that, in tandem, all of the line destinations ( South Ferry, 137, Dyckman, Van Cortlandt) and all of the subsequent lines 2-7 destinations appear in order. That way a , or train M/M only had to turn the end destination sign once or twice at the bridge or ferry instead of going through a bunch of irrelevant destinations in order to reach the correct one. Hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova RTS 9147 Posted March 8, 2011 Share #23 Posted March 8, 2011 <2> & should not have appeared... Some signs had the . In fact, I believe a few of the vintage birds have on their rollsigns. I have never seen a <2> before, but I guess that was when the TA tried to have the <2> run express in the bronx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4P3607 Posted March 8, 2011 Share #24 Posted March 8, 2011 I have seen both the (12) and (14) on the train. pics or vids or it didn't happen B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rd Avenue El Posted March 15, 2011 Share #25 Posted March 15, 2011 there is now a <2> its used in combination with the . after the was restored in september 2010 the mta added a <2> to run between 3rd avenue-149th street and 180th street. they would not make it the rest of the route because citizens on white plains road would complain but there are <2> which runs rarely in the morning rush and afternoon rush. this is gonna sound creepy but i stalked 180th street to see the possibility of a <2> train and i had the luck that i did. it was headed northbound. once it transferred back to the local track the sign on the r-142 switched back to . i garantee you, you stalk either 149th street or 180th street during either rush hour you are bound to see a <2> if your lucky. i found out when i got on a 2 train at grand concourse and the sign said <2> i then realized after the train switched onto the middle track. it was fun riding on a <2>. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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