official Subway - What If?

[DailyDose]

Ooo... This one's gonna be tricky.

All of the subway workers (plus the ones for the Staten Island Railway) have gone on strike. How would De Balsio and Pendergast, and New York City respond to this?

- Shuttle buses replace all routes (lol, I can imagine all the hate if this happens)

- Travelers in Queens strongly urged to take LIRR due to overcrowding on buses.

- Increased LIRR service.

- Travelers in Bronx strongly urged to take MNR due to bus overcrowding.

- Increased MNR service.

- Also, increased Express bus service.

Edited July 13, 2014 by DailyDose

[FamousNYLover]

Ooo... This one's gonna be tricky.

All of the subway workers (plus the ones for the Staten Island Railway) have gone on strike. How would De Balsio and Pendergast, and New York City respond to this?

NYCT Subway/Staten Island Railway Strike Plan

All shuttle buses replace all subway lines. Shuttle buses will be provided by Academy Bus, Coach USA, New York Waterway Bus, GoBuses, NJ Transit buses, Norfolk Express, Skyliner Charter Bus, SEPTA, Delware DART, Connecticut Transit will assist shuttle bus operation.

 

Metro-North: Open door and cross honor service between Midtown/Harlem Manhattan and Bronx Stations.

 

Long Island Railroad: Cross honor service between Penn Station, Brooklyn and Queens.

Belmont Park branch operates overtime.

 

PATH Trains: PATH train operate as follow. (Cross honors Unlimited MetroCard holders.

Between 33rd St and World Trade Center via Hoboken.

Between 33rd St and World Trade Center via Newark.

 

Airtrain JFK: Cross honor NYCT Subway Passenger at Howard Beach and Jamaica Station.

 

T&LC Licenced Dollar van service operates as follows:

1. Starting from Howard Beach-JFK Airport, Jamaica Bay Wildlife Refuge and Broad Channel Station. 50 cent.

2. Between Sputyen Duyville and Marble Hill-225th St Station.

 

Ferry service operates as follows and cross honors MetroCard.

1. 5-borough ferry service starts from Rockaways-Beach 108th, JFK Airport, Sheepshead Bay Pier, Great Kills Park, Brooklyn Army Terminal, Red Hook IKEA, Red Hook Van Brunt, Atlantic Av Pier 6, Pier 11, DUMBO, Schaefeller Landing, North 6th St, Long Island City, East 34th St, East 91st St, LGA Airport, Citifield, Throgs Neck, Soundview, Yankees Staidum.

Edited July 14, 2014 by FamousNYLover

[Wallyhorse]

Since no one has posted here for a few days:

A water main break at Houston and Lafayette Streets has cause big-time problems as BOTH the Lexington Avenue AND 6th Avenue Lines are affected by this.  The water main break caused structural problems in the area that will require a 6-8 week shutdown of both lines in the area.

[realizm]

Since no one has posted here for a few days:

 

A water main break at Houston and Lafayette Streets has cause big-time problems as BOTH the Lexington Avenue AND 6th Avenue Lines are affected by this.  The water main break caused structural problems in the area that will require a 6-8 week shutdown of both lines in the area.

 

IRT 7th Ave, BMT Broadway, and IND 8th Ave service increased to meet demands. 4 Brooklyn IRT service terminates at Atlantic Avenue from Utica as a shuttle - No service to Manhattan. 2 and 3 trains are unaffected by conditions, service with these two lines are also increased.

 

6th Ave Express service suspended. Trains run every 20 minutes pending emergency repairs on the line. 6th Ave Express service suspended. Trains run every 20 minutes pending emergency repairs on the line. 

 

Crossover honoring of paid fares to PATH.

 

4 - Woodlawn to 149th Street Grand Concourse. Transfer to the D at Yankee Stadium. 4 runs between Utica Avenue and Atlantic Avenue in Brooklyn.

 

5 - Shuttle in the Bronx from East 180th Street to Dyre Avenue. 5 Service suspended in Manhattan and Brooklyn.

 

6 - Pelham Bay Park to 138th Street in the Bronx.

 

B service suspended.

 

D - runs as a shuttle to 145th Street. D runs as a shuttle in Brooklyn terminating at 36th Street. 4th Avenue express service suspended. No Manhattan service.

 

E - Runs express 24/7 to Jamaica Center. Service is increased.

 

F - Runs via Crosstown Line to Queens. Local in Queens.

 

M - Shuttle in Brooklyn.

 

 

 

 

 

[TrainFanInfinity]

Since no one has posted here for a few days:

 

A water main break at Houston and Lafayette Streets has cause big-time problems as BOTH the Lexington Avenue AND 6th Avenue Lines are affected by this.  The water main break caused structural problems in the area that will require a 6-8 week shutdown of both lines in the area.

 

Let's say Montague is open.

 

: Two sections-

Brighton Beach to Forest Hills-71st Avenue, via Queens Blvd Local. ( ( B ) )

West 4th Street to 145 Street or Bedford Park Blvd.

: Two sections-

Coney Island to 57th Street-7th Avenue via Broadway Express.  ( ( D ) )

West 4th Street to 205th Street.

: Via 8th Avenue Local - Cranberry Street Tunnel. Select NB trains run to Delancy Street. Select trains run via Crosstown.

: Via Nassau Street to Chambers Street. Transfer at Canal Street for ( B ) and trains.

: Via Tunnel - Broadway Local.

: Every other train terminates at 57th Street-7th Avenue.

: Two sections-

Woodlawn to Grand Central-42nd Street.

Brooklyn Bridge-City Hall to New Lots Avenue.

: Via 7th Avenue Express.

: No service b/w Grand Central and Brooklyn Bridge-City Hall.

[FreekyFreezer]

normal service

runs in two sections: Woodlawn-42 Street and City Hall-Utica Avenue (New Lots nights)

Weekdays: Some trains run via the from E 180 St to Brooklyn College, (local service in Brooklyn), some trains run to Lex Av-125 St

Weekends: Train runs local on the Lexington Ave line.

Evenings and nights: Shuttle service between E 180 St and Dyre Av.

Weekdays: Trains terminate at 42 Street via Lexington Av Local.

All other times: Trains terminate at 42 Street

42 St operates overnight

no service

additional service between 168 St or 145 St and World Trade Center

will operate between Norwood and W 4 Street and between 57 St and Coney Island via West End (maybe labeled due to B'way service)

Some trains via Cranberry, some trains will be replaced by the in Brooklyn and Queens

service will be extended to both Jamaica-179 St via Queens Blvd Exp and to Coney Island via Culver to replace lost trains.

trains run to Broad Street at weekdays and to Chambers Street at weekends and evenings.

service will operate between Prospect Park and Brighton Beach to replace the [stops at the westernmost track in Prospect Park]

additional trains between Forest Hills and Whitehall Street to replace the in Queens and the in Midtown and Downtown Manhattan.

 

M15, M15 SBS, M101, M102, M103: Additional buses will operate for riders from East Side Manhattan

 

The has not taken into account the current closure of the Montague Street tunnels.

 

It's very difficult to handle the Lexington line terminating at 42nd Street because every train has to terminate on the uptown platform as you can only switch to the uptown tracks when heading downtown.

 

Hope there aren't any mistakes like last time when I labeled the as the

[DailyDose]

Since no one has posted here for a few days:A water main break at Houston and Lafayette Streets has cause big-time problems as BOTH the Lexington Avenue AND 6th Avenue Lines are affected by this. The water main break caused structural problems in the area that will require a 6-8 week shutdown of both lines in the area.

Customers advised to use , Prince Street, 8th Street just 3 blocks away.

via Second Avenue

Service suspended, use

runs between 42nd Street and Pelham

Shuttle buses replace the from Times Square to Bowling Green.

Service Suspended

runs between Coney Island and Atlantic Avenue, and 34th Street - 205th Street.

runs between W4-Jamaica.

runs as Essex-Myrtle shuttle only.

Shuttle buses between W4 and Grand Street stopping at W4, 23rd, 14th, Broadway Lafayette, Grand.

via Broadway Local

Edited July 19, 2014 by DailyDose

[DailyDose]

Well since nobody replied for like 12 hours...

 

A medium level track fire spread has caused the entire Broadway Junction station to be evacuated and closed until the fire is extinguished. How would you reroute the ?

Edited July 20, 2014 by DailyDose

[RollOver]

-No 's between Utica and Euclid. Both sections are local entirely.

-No 's entirely.

-No 's between Myrtle-B'way and Cypress Hills. Skip-stop service suspended entirely. Peak-direction express service between Marcy and Myrtle-B'way is unaffected, however.

-No 's between Wyckoff and Canarsie.

Edited July 20, 2014 by RollOver

[Wallyhorse]

One BIG Mess for sure:

Shuttle buses operate as follows:
Express shuttle from Rockaway Parkway to Sutphin Boulevard LIRR Station (only stops)
Atlantic Avenue to Myrtle-Wyckoff station
shuttle bus between Euclid Avenue and Utica Avenue
shuttle between Crescent Street and Myrtle Avenue

operates in two sections:
207th Street, Manhattan and Utica Avenue, Brooklyn (local in Brooklyn between High Street and Utica Avenue)
Euclid Avenue, Brooklyn and (alternating trains) Lefferts Boulevard and Far Rockaway, Brooklyn
Rockaway Park is extended to Euclid Avenue and also terminates there.

operates in Manhattan ONLY between 168th Street and EITHER Chambers Street OR  2nd Avenue station (alternating trains).

operates in two sections:
Jamaica Center, Queens and Crescent Street, Brooklyn
Metropolitan Avenue station, Queens and Broad Street, Manhattan

operates in two sections:
Rockaway Parkway and Atlantic Avenue
Myrtle-Wyckoff and 14th Street-8th Avenue
 

LIRR honors all MetroCards between Jamaica Station and both Penn Station and Flatbush Avenue
LIRR also honors all MetroCards on the Far Rockaway branch

[FreekyFreezer]

operates in two sections: Inwood - Utica Avenue (via 8 Av Exp, Fulton Lcl) and Euclid Av - Lefferts/Far Rockaway

operates between 168 St and 2 Av via 8 Av Local

operates in two sections: Broad St and Myrtle Av-Broadway and Cypress Hills (or Crescent St) to Jamaica Center

operates in two sections: 14 St-8 Av to Myrtle-Wyckoff Avs and free shuttle service between Livonia Av and Rockaway Parkway. (People will be encouraged to ride the to Junius St and use the overpass between Junius St and Livonia Av. To avoid extra fares, the shuttle will be free.

 

MetroCards will be accepted for LIRR rides between Penn Station/Atlantic Terminal and Jamaica/Far Rockaway

 

Select buses that connect the western and the eastern sections of lines (such as B60 or B13) will offer additional service. Shuttle buses are also active, but will not service Broadway Junction directly.

Edited July 24, 2014 by FreekyFreezer

[TrainFanInfinity]

Well since nobody replied for like 12 hours...

 

A medium level track fire spread has caused the entire Broadway Junction station to be evacuated and closed until the fire is extinguished. How would you reroute the ?

 

: No service b/w Utica Avenue and Euclid Avenue, via Fulton Street Local.

: No service b/w 2nd Avenue or World Trade Center and Euclid Avenue.

: No service b/w Metropolitan Avenue via the and Crescent Street. Select trains run to Alabama Avenue, laying up via the yard.

: Suspended. All trains in service follow pattern.

: No service b/w Myrtle-Wyckoff Avenues and Atlantic Avenue.

[FreekyFreezer]

A fire alarm in the Fulton Street complex led to the station being evatuated and closed, so service changes have to be made.

[Nellko]

A fire alarm in the Fulton Street complex led to the station being evatuated and closed, so service changes have to be made.

Okay, let's give this a try:

 

: Two sections, 241st St-South Ferry and Nevins St-Flatbush Ave.

: No service south of Times Square.

: Two sections: Woodlawn-Brooklyn Bridge* and Borough Hall-New Lots Ave.

: No service south of E 180 St. Transfer to the .

: Local service. Runs via the between West 4th and Jay St-MetroTech.

: No service.

: No service south of Chambers St.

: No service.

 

Expect severe delays. Use the , , , , , , or access to transfer points in Brooklyn.

 

* There's a one-way crossover that trains could reverse onto south of the station, so as not to clog the City Hall loop. If there's some technical reason they can't actually use that, Woodlawn-Grand Central instead.

Edited July 29, 2014 by Nellko

[Wallyhorse]

A fire alarm in the Fulton Street complex led to the station being evatuated and closed, so service changes have to be made.

As I would do it:

 

runs as follows:

Lefferts Boulevard trains run 207th Street via the to Jay Street-Metrotech and then via regular route (local in Brooklyn)

 

Far Rockaway branch trains operate in two sections:

207th Street-Chambers Street platform

High Street and Far Rockaway (local in Brooklyn)

 

runs via the and then after West 4th to the Broadway Junction platform and replaces the after Myrtle Avenue going towards Manhattan (via normal route after West 4th).

 

Rockaway Park is extended to Broadway Junction and runs express between there and Euclid Avenue.

 

and service starts at Chambers Street and runs normal route otherwise.

 

runs as a Metropolitan-Myrtle Avenue Shuttle ONLY!!

 

 

runs in two sections:

White Plains Road-South Ferry station (via the south of Chambers and local south of Times Square)

Wall Street OR Bowling Green station-Flatbush Avenue.

 

runs Chambers Street-148th Street ONLY!!

 

Single track shuttles run between Wall Street and Borough Hall (Hoyt Street is CLOSED!!)

 

runs in two sections:

Woodlawn-Brooklyn Bridge (local south of Grand Central with some northbound trains local to 125th Street)

Wall Street OR Bowling Green-New Lots Avenue (replacing the in Brooklyn)

 

Special OOS transfer between the at Bowling Green or Wall Street and the at Rector Street or South Ferry AND at Whitehall Street (ask for a block ticket at any of these stations OR at Chambers-Brooklyn Bridge).

 

runs 42nd Street-Grand Central to Dyre Avenue ONLY!!

Edited July 29, 2014 by Wallyhorse

[Fresh Pond]

You making it sound like the damn building collapsed...you cutting the when it isn't even affected

[Wallyhorse]

You making it sound like the damn building collapsed...you cutting the when it isn't even affected

The idea is that the and are being re-routed that way, so in this case, the would be running to Broadway Junction station so 8th Avenue local riders don't have to switch to half an train (that from Manhattan would be running to Lefferts via the while Far Rockaway runs from High Street with some (A)'s in Manhattan going to Chambers) and possibly make ANOTHER switch later on.  The idea is to limit switches as much as possible to one for those who ride the 8th Avenue line, especially if they are going east of Broadway Junction and going to Far Rockaway for instance.

[RollOver]

The idea is that the and are being re-routed that way, so in this case, the would be running to Broadway Junction station so 8th Avenue local riders don't have to switch to half an train (that from Manhattan would be running to Lefferts via the while Far Rockaway runs from High Street with some (A)'s in Manhattan going to Chambers) and possibly make ANOTHER switch later on. The idea is to limit switches as much as possible to one for those who ride the 8th Avenue line, especially if they are going east of Broadway Junction and going to Far Rockaway for instance.

Oh please. Waiting time on the doubles additionally east of Rockaway Blvd anyway. Do you even realize how many times the High St issue was ignored during incidents like this? The still informs riders at that station how to get around anyway. All you're continuously doing is making things more complicated, over-complicating actually, when the simple solution was to suspend the entirely, run the via the and local elsewhere. You can even send some fewer trains over the to limit congestion. I mean really dude.

Edited July 30, 2014 by RollOver

[Wallyhorse]

Oh please. Waiting time on the doubles additionally east of Rockaway Blvd anyway. Do you even realize how many times the High St issue was ignored during incidents like this? The still informs riders at that station how to get around anyway. All you're continuously doing is making things more complicated, over-complicating actually, when the simple solution was to suspend the entirely, run the via the and local elsewhere. You can even send some fewer trains over the to limit congestion. I mean really dude.

My plan keeps every station served as much as possible.   I don't ignore High Street as I would do it, and by sending the via the and then to Broadway Junction minimizes having to transfer to one in most cases.

 

I probably would send a few trains via the and also have the go to 71-Continental to replace the in Queens in this case.

 

It may seem over-complicating things to you, but to me, I'm trying to keep transfers to a minimum and minimize people being affected as much as possible (and to those who are affecting, reminding them they need to pay attention like the old days and rewarding those who do). 

[Fresh Pond]

Now you're just backing up other lines that have nothing to do with the original problem at hand...

[FreekyFreezer]

I would reroute trains the following

 

runs in two sections: Wakefield-241 St - Chambers Street and Atlantic Av - Flatbush Av

runs between 148 St and Times Square only

runs in two sections: Woodlawn - City Hall and Wall St (using the switches north of Bowling Green) - New Lots Av, local from Franklin Av to New Lots Av.

runs between Dyre Av and E 180 St only.

runs regular service, although delays should be expected due to the trains calling City Hall at the local tracks and using the loop.

runs via the Rutgers St Tunnel, runs local in Brooklyn

Some trains run between 168 St and 2 Av only, some between 168 St and Euclid Av via the Rutgers St Tunnel

terminate at Chambers Street.

[Wallyhorse]

Next:

Montauge Street (including the connection to the Nassau Street line) has reopened, but major problems around Myrtle Avenue in both directions have halted ALL service on The Manhattan Bridge.  Only the tunnel can be used to get to Manhattan.

In addition, the loop at South Ferry somehow got switched to where trains coming from the 7th Avenue line can ONLY go to the Lexington Avenue line going uptown and can not access 7th Avenue going back (the "new" SF station is still not available as it continues to be rebuilt from Sandy damage). 

Also at the same time, the Rutgers Street tunnel has broken rails that forces it to be shut down (though York Street and East Broadway on each end of the tunnel can be used).

[DailyDose]

Next:

Montauge Street (including the connection to the Nassau Street line) has reopened, but major problems around Myrtle Avenue in both directions have halted ALL service on The Manhattan Bridge.  Only the tunnel can be used to get to Manhattan.

In addition, the loop at South Ferry somehow got switched to where trains coming from the 7th Avenue line can ONLY go to the Lexington Avenue line going uptown and can not access 7th Avenue going back (the "new" SF station is still not available as it continues to be rebuilt from Sandy damage). 

Also at the same time, the Rutgers Street tunnel has broken rails that forces it to be shut down (though York Street and East Broadway on each end of the tunnel can be used).

Wait, wait. The and don't go via the loop, so they are unaffected, only the ? If so,

Suspended.

runs in two sections, between Coney Island and Atlantic Avenue, and 34th Street and 205th.

runs via the Cranberry and terminates at Jay Street - Metrotech

runs via 6th Avenue via the Montague Street tunnel, and West End, terminating at Bay Parkway.

 

runs via Montague Street tunnel.

runs via Montague Street tunnel.

runs in two sections Prospect Park and Coney Island, and Canal Street and Astoria.

 

terminates at Chambers Street

via Lexington Avenue

terminates at Wall Street

 

Shuttle buses serve all inserved stations.

[BM5 via Woodhaven]

Next:

 

Montauge Street (including the connection to the Nassau Street line) has reopened, but major problems around Myrtle Avenue in both directions have halted ALL service on The Manhattan Bridge.  Only the tunnel can be used to get to Manhattan.

 

In addition, the loop at South Ferry somehow got switched to where trains coming from the 7th Avenue line can ONLY go to the Lexington Avenue line going uptown and can not access 7th Avenue going back (the "new" SF station is still not available as it continues to be rebuilt from Sandy damage). 

 

Also at the same time, the Rutgers Street tunnel has broken rails that forces it to be shut down (though York Street and East Broadway on each end of the tunnel can be used).

For Montague/ South Ferry/ Rutgers 

via Montague

Runs only between Prospect Park and Coney Island. Shuttle Bus Service will NOT be Provided, everyone will have to use the .

 

In relation to this, additional Service will be provided, skipping South Ferry, to New Lots Avenue. Alternate Terminates at Chamber Street.

Trains Run between 14 Street and 148 Street

Trains run local between 

Runs in two sections: 71 Avenue- W 4 Street, and 36 Street- 95 Street. Trains run express in both directions between W 4 Street and 34

Runs in Two Sections: 205 Street to Grand Street southbound track via 6 Avenue Express; Astoria-Ditmars Blvd to Coney Island via Broadway Express

Runs between 145 Street and Grand Street. 

Trains run local via 4 Avenue

 

Additional service will be provided between 71 st Avenue and 2 Avenue

 

Trains arrive on the Uptown Express Platform at W4 Street and Broadway Laffayette to Grand Street. They will arrive and depart on the uptown platform at Grand Street.

 

All 's via Crosstown, and all service is suspended.

 

NO Shuttle Buses will be provided for bypassed train stations.

 

And there's my foam moment

Edited August 1, 2014 by BM5 via Woodhaven

[DailyDose]

A fire alarm in the Fulton Street complex led to the station being evatuated and closed, so service changes have to be made.

service between 241st - Chambers, Nevins St. and Flatbush.

runs between 148th and 14th Street only.

between Woodlawn and Brooklyn Bridge, Nevins and New Lots Avenue via New Lots local.

runs between Wakefield/Nereid and Brooklyn Bridge only, use in Brooklyn.

 

runs between Inwood and Chambers Street, Jay Street and the Rockaways/Ozone

suspended in Manhattan, runs between Jay Street and Euclid.

(J)/(Z) trains terminate at Chambers Street.