Wallyhorse Posted February 17, 2012 Share #251 Posted February 17, 2012 There is plans to convert the line into a park, just like the High Line, NOT a rail. Maybe a LRT would be nice, but even that I wouldn't see. Those plans are no secret, but they very possibly could be overriden by other lawmakers who now also want that branch re-activated. If those lawmakers who want it re-activated get what they want (and it's something Gov. Cuomo may also want, especially if he can get Genting to pay for it), then everything changes on that end and it may very well have a ripple effect of what happens with the Broadway Line and SAS once the first part of the SAS actually opens. There was quite a discussion on this in another thread that got merged with this one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted February 17, 2012 Share #252 Posted February 17, 2012 Those plans are no secret, but they very possibly could be overriden by other lawmakers who now also want that branch re-activated. If those lawmakers who want it re-activated get what they want (and it's something Gov. Cuomo may also want, especially if he can get Genting to pay for it), then everything changes on that end and it may very well have a ripple effect of what happens with the Broadway Line and SAS once the first part of the SAS actually opens. There was quite a discussion on this in another thread that got merged with this one. Forget that crap, Queens has a lot of service around. While there are undeserved areas, no need to focus on that yet. I would rather bring Staten Island to the table with some rail. WHICH is REALLY undeserved. The SIRTOA only runs up and down, but those in other parts of the SI, only got Buses around, no rail, not even a LIGHT RAIL. Extend the HBLR and activate the North Shore Line. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted February 17, 2012 Share #253 Posted February 17, 2012 (edited) Forget that crap, Queens has a lot of service around. While there are undeserved areas, no need to focus on that yet. I would rather bring Staten Island to the table with some rail. WHICH is REALLY undeserved. The SIRTOA only runs up and down, but those in other parts of the SI, only got Buses around, no rail, not even a LIGHT RAIL. Extend the HBLR and activate the North Shore Line. Not quite. While Queens does have significantly more rail service than Staten Island, there are vast areas of Queens that are far from the nearest railroad or subway station. Those areas deserve to have better, more convenient transit options just as much as SI does. There are no plans to turn the Rockaway Line into a High Line type of park. There is only a proposal from Queens Community Board 9 to do that. So there is no guarantee that will happen either. Restoring rail to the Rockaway Line is not just about providing another transit option to a casino, convention center and Kennedy Airport. It is also about providing better connectivity within Queens. Given the borough's significant increase in population over the years, much of it made up of transit-riding people, better connectivity is something that is sorely needed. You won't have any disagreement from me that SI needs more rail service. But that's for another topic... Edited February 17, 2012 by T to Dyre Avenue 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted February 17, 2012 Share #254 Posted February 17, 2012 Not quite. While Queens does have significantly more rail service than Staten Island, there are vast areas of Queens that are far from the nearest railroad or subway station. Those areas deserve to have better, more convenient transit options just as much as SI does. There are no plans to turn the Rockaway Line into a High Line type of park. There is only a proposal from Queens Community Board 9 to do that. So there is no guarantee that will happen either. Restoring rail to the Rockaway Line is not just about providing another transit option to a casino, convention center and Kennedy Airport. It is also about providing better connectivity within Queens. Given the borough's significant increase in population over the years, much of it made up of transit-riding people, better connectivity is something that is sorely needed. You won't have any disagreement from me that SI needs more rail service. But that's for another topic... Well if Queens needs its service, I really doubt the MTA would extend service on its current subway lines. BRT would be needed to help out in ways. I would also consider restoring the Q79 bus, since people near the border don't have a way going up and down. For the Rockaway Line, as I mentioned before, maybe a light rail could do. I don't think the MTA would even extend the line to the QBL. Maybe a connection with the / could do, but that I'm not sure. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted February 18, 2012 Share #255 Posted February 18, 2012 Not to indulge Wally's 'dreams', but if the QBL had another line like the Queens super express, that could allow for one of the current 4 lines to be routed down that ROW to the Rockaways. I think if the were to run on the QB line, that would be ideal to send down so there won't be a need to have longer trains run empty down a long stretch. 4-car trains should be enough until there's more demand for it. via 63rd, super express, Woodhaven and then local all the way to 179th. express on QB and express to 179th, unless they can 'fumigate' the train quickly enough and terminate it at 71st. With that said, can we impose a moratorium on the Rockaways subject? It has no place in this thread. I understand the need to put all the SAS talk in one thread, but this was just an oil tank fire waiting to happen with the endless fantasy stuff including stuff that doesn't even deal with the SAS directly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIR North Shore Posted February 18, 2012 Share #256 Posted February 18, 2012 I have an idea for a new service pattern on the SAS opening in 2016. Astoria-Coney Island, broadway local via bridge 96th/2nd-Coney Island, broadway express via bridge, Forest Hills-Bay Ridge, broadway local via tunnel -reduced service overall, more , & trains instead 96th/2nd-Bay Ridge, broadway express via tunnel (local at night) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NX Express Posted February 18, 2012 Share #257 Posted February 18, 2012 I have an idea for a new service pattern on the SAS opening in 2016. Astoria-Coney Island, broadway local via bridge 96th/2nd-Coney Island, broadway express via bridge, Forest Hills-Bay Ridge, broadway local via tunnel -reduced service overall, more , & trains instead 96th/2nd-Bay Ridge, broadway express via tunnel (local at night) Prince St Junction would choke. There's a reason why it's preferred that all expresses go 2 Av - Exp - Bridge and all locals go Queens - Lcl - Tunnel. PS Bay Ridge and Brooklyn in general would be happy to hear about reduced service.:tdown: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted February 18, 2012 Share #258 Posted February 18, 2012 Yeah, just have the end at Whitehall as it used to and leave the alone. The is bad enough as is, why make it worse? brought back means the can run express again and the switching can be done at 34th instead of Prince st. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallyhorse Posted February 19, 2012 Share #259 Posted February 19, 2012 NO. The reason is the was switched to the Queens Boulevard Line in the early times to give it access to the Jamaica Yard so no. Again if Manhattan access is needed the can run express on the Queens Boulevard Line instead and the can be extended down the Rockaway Beach Branch. This would also be a Manhattan service which Censin wanted earlier. The problem would be solved and the complications removed. Remember, in that scenario, the would go to Coney Island and have Coney Island Yard available. The , which has Concourse Yard, would replace the from 95th-DeKalb with both lines running local in Brooklyn 24/7, having the benefit of eliminating the current overnight shuttle in Brooklyn. As in this scenario the would be a 24/7 local from Coney Island-Astoria (via West End), the can be a 16.5/5 line to Astoria with it supplementing the on the SAS at other times (to 96th/2nd from 10:00 PM-5:30 AM the next morning weeknights and all day weekends) while at the same time, the would also be a 24/7 Express in Brooklyn and Manhattan on its full route otherwise. This would severely reduce track switching since the would not have to cross to the local track in Brooklyn at all and only at 34th or 57th on weekdays when running to Astoria (since late nights and weekends it would be a supplement to the on the SAS) while the and would be the Broadway locals at all times. The added benefit for this on the SAS is with both the and operating off-hours on the SAS, there would be minimal dropoff in service on the SAS during late nights and even possibly enhanced service on weekends in what is the most densely populated area in Manhattan if not the country. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted February 19, 2012 Share #260 Posted February 19, 2012 Remember, in that scenario, the would go to Coney Island and have Coney Island Yard available. The , which has Concourse Yard, would replace the from 95th-DeKalb with both lines running local in Brooklyn 24/7, having the benefit of eliminating the current overnight shuttle in Brooklyn. As in this scenario the would be a 24/7 local from Coney Island-Astoria (via West End), the can be a 16.5/5 line to Astoria with it supplementing the on the SAS at other times (to 96th/2nd from 10:00 PM-5:30 AM the next morning weeknights and all day weekends) while at the same time, the would also be a 24/7 Express in Brooklyn and Manhattan on its full route otherwise. This would severely reduce track switching since the would not have to cross to the local track in Brooklyn at all and only at 34th or 57th on weekdays when running to Astoria (since late nights and weekends it would be a supplement to the on the SAS) while the and would be the Broadway locals at all times. The added benefit for this on the SAS is with both the and operating off-hours on the SAS, there would be minimal dropoff in service on the SAS during late nights and even possibly enhanced service on weekends in what is the most densely populated area in Manhattan if not the country. Once again NO. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted February 19, 2012 Share #261 Posted February 19, 2012 Remember, in that scenario, the would go to Coney Island and have Coney Island Yard available. The , which has Concourse Yard, would replace the from 95th-DeKalb with both lines running local in Brooklyn 24/7, having the benefit of eliminating the current overnight shuttle in Brooklyn. As in this scenario the would be a 24/7 local from Coney Island-Astoria (via West End), the can be a 16.5/5 line to Astoria with it supplementing the on the SAS at other times (to 96th/2nd from 10:00 PM-5:30 AM the next morning weeknights and all day weekends) while at the same time, the would also be a 24/7 Express in Brooklyn and Manhattan on its full route otherwise. This would severely reduce track switching since the would not have to cross to the local track in Brooklyn at all and only at 34th or 57th on weekdays when running to Astoria (since late nights and weekends it would be a supplement to the on the SAS) while the and would be the Broadway locals at all times. The added benefit for this on the SAS is with both the and operating off-hours on the SAS, there would be minimal dropoff in service on the SAS during late nights and even possibly enhanced service on weekends in what is the most densely populated area in Manhattan if not the country. Really? *pun alert* Not to indulge, but... what B'way line would go to IND Queens line? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallyhorse Posted February 19, 2012 Share #262 Posted February 19, 2012 Not to indulge, but... what B'way line would go to IND Queens line? The . Go back to my original post on this in this thread which explains the whole scenario. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted February 19, 2012 Share #263 Posted February 19, 2012 smh. Please just start your own thread about it. It has nothing to do with the SAS. Enough already about to the Rockaways. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted February 19, 2012 Share #264 Posted February 19, 2012 The . Go back to my original post on this in this thread which explains the whole scenario. Second of all, why the confusion??? Rearranging all of the routes? :confused: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Line1291 Posted February 19, 2012 Share #265 Posted February 19, 2012 B'way EXP - 96th St to Gravesend 86th and Bay Parkway (rush hours). Not running late nights B'way EXP - 96th St to Coney Island, via Brighton B'way Local - Forest Hills to Bay Ridge. Late nights 36th St to Bay Ridge B'way Local - Astoria to Coney Island, via Seach Beach. What I don't like about this is it's probably expensive to operate but I'm tryna eliminate the criss-cross. I was also thinking about the 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted February 19, 2012 Share #266 Posted February 19, 2012 B'way EXP - 96th St to Gravesend 86th and Bay Parkway (rush hours). Not running late nights B'way EXP - 96th St to Coney Island, via Brighton B'way Local - Forest Hills to Bay Ridge. Late nights 36th St to Bay Ridge B'way Local - Astoria to Coney Island, via Seach Beach. What I don't like about this is it's probably expensive to operate but I'm tryna eliminate the criss-cross. I was also thinking about the NO. Again why would the need access to the Coney Island station when riders can just use the ? Quite useless. Please people come up with something smarter rather then just spew nonsense okay. Architects and Engineers don't do this. They think so THINK! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted February 19, 2012 Share #267 Posted February 19, 2012 : Astoria-Ditmars Blvd to Coney Island. (Via Bridge) Via Broadway Local & Sea Beach Express. 7tph : 96 Street-2 Avenue to Gravesend-86. (Via Bridge) Via Broadway & Se Beach Express. 7tph : 96 Street-2 Avenue to Coney Island. (Via Bridge) Via Broadway Express & Brighton Local. 10tph : Forest Hills-2 Avenue to Coney Island. (Via Tunnel) Via Broadway, Queens Blvd & 4 Avenue Local. 7tph : Astoria-Ditmars Blvd to Whitehall Street-South Ferry. (Via Tunnel) Via Local. 5tph Before someone says ANYTHING, 2 services are needed to go to Astoria because of rush-hour crowding. There really is no decent way to do 2 services to the SAS. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R160 Posted February 19, 2012 Share #268 Posted February 19, 2012 : 96 Street-2 Avenue to Gravesend-86. (Via Bridge)Via Broadway & Se Beach Express. 7tph I'm curious as to how you can turn trains at 86th...especially express trains since it's a local stop. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted February 19, 2012 Share #269 Posted February 19, 2012 I'm curious as to how you can turn trains at 86th...especially express trains since it's a local stop. What does this have to do with the SAS? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Line1291 Posted February 19, 2012 Share #270 Posted February 19, 2012 I've also thought about how SAS should go to Dyre Ave so the WPR line could run more trains and the would have Bronx express and local service plus relieving the Lexington Line but phase 4 is years and years away . But until phase 3 is here, I'm not a favor of Broadways criss-crossing but I don't ride on the Broadway so i'm fine NO. Again why would the need access to the Coney Island station when riders can just use the ? Quite useless. Please people come up with something smarter rather then just spew nonsense okay. Architects and Engineers don't do this. They think so THINK!The drama queen is at it again ROTFL!!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted February 19, 2012 Share #271 Posted February 19, 2012 The drama queen is at it again ROTFL!!! No. Your idea right now is just not good. I am giving criticism if anything at all. Alright for everyone here not just you. If you have an interest in the NYC Subway System or anything else take architecture classes like I am, or take engineering classes. Learn how building and engineering things work, learn why some of your ideas are impossible, learn about what is feasible and what isn't feasible (Wallyhorse). Maybe then you will learn and stop spewing bad ideas. I am taking architecture classes and I am learning what works and what doesn't work. That is why you don't see me building or designing things that would be impossible. It might look nice on a map, but it isn't going to happen until you learn about what works and what does not. So you can cease now, and this isn't just directed to you, but to everyone. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peacemak3r Posted February 19, 2012 Share #272 Posted February 19, 2012 Did your engineering/architectural classes also teach you to put fences around open-cut/elevated portions of the subway? Because if I remember correctly, you've mentioned that in the past. I'm not trying to bust your balls here but some of your suggestions are unconventional as well, given that you are studying in that field. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Line1291 Posted February 19, 2012 Share #273 Posted February 19, 2012 (edited) No. Your idea right now is just not good. I am giving criticism if anything at all. Alright for everyone here not just you. If you have an interest in the NYC Subway System or anything else take architecture classes like I am, or take engineering classes. Learn how building and engineering things work, learn why some of your ideas are impossible, learn about what is feasible and what isn't feasible (Wallyhorse). Maybe then you will learn and stop spewing bad ideas. I am taking architecture classes and I am learning what works and what doesn't work. That is why you don't see me building or designing things that would be impossible. It might look nice on a map, but it isn't going to happen until you learn about what works and what does not. So you can cease now, and this isn't just directed to you, but to everyone. What makes you think you have the almighty right to bash someone and dictate bad ideas when you do the same thing yourself. So before you try correcting me come correct yourself and think real hard before you type your words cause you aren't gonna talk down to me like you're the perfect saint #realtalk Edited February 19, 2012 by CJ_2Line91 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted February 19, 2012 Share #274 Posted February 19, 2012 What makes you think you have the almighty right to bash someone and dictate bad ideas when you do the same thing yourself. So before you try correcting me come correct yourself and think real hard before you type your words cause you aren't going to talking down to me like you're the perfect saint #realtalk I used to. I don't do it anymore, and all the things I showed around here are real proposals. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted February 19, 2012 Share #275 Posted February 19, 2012 Did your engineering/architectural classes also teach you to put fences around open-cut/elevated portions of the subway? Because if I remember correctly, you've mentioned that in the past. I'm not trying to bust your balls here but some of your suggestions are unconventional as well, given that you are studying in that field. That's true, but I do make mistakes. Humans aren't computers, but neither should a human act without thinking of the the results. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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