qjtransitmaster Posted December 11, 2013 Share #726 Posted December 11, 2013 Don't bother extending the M15 SBS... It does its job as is (more or less). Sending it up to the Heights is a suicide mission... M35 instead since it's shorter. then former M98 users would use it to the Lexington line to continue their trip. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTA Bus Posted December 11, 2013 Share #727 Posted December 11, 2013 The M15 SBS does not need to be extended. It is fine the way it is. However, the MTA could restore M98 service to 34th Street. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted December 12, 2013 Share #728 Posted December 12, 2013 The M15 SBS does not need to be extended. It is fine the way it is. However, the MTA could restore M98 service to 34th Street. The damage has already been done it's finished Don't bother extending the M15 SBS... It does its job as is (more or less). Sending it up to the Heights is a suicide mission... How so? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted December 12, 2013 Share #729 Posted December 12, 2013 The damage has already been done it's finished How so? You can't add bus lanes to the Harlem River Drive because that is a very heavily trafficked road that isn't very wide. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted December 12, 2013 Share #730 Posted December 12, 2013 Don't bother extending the M15 SBS... It does its job as is (more or less). Sending it up to the Heights is a suicide mission... How so? It's useless it's a dead horse just extend M15-SBS to gwb via Harlem river Dr and add a bus lane to Harlem river drive. M98 is finished put it out it's misery. M15 local unaffected. Add stops at metro north and lex How So? Lol..... Have you even used the M15 (SBS or not)? Serious Question. The #1 utilized route in the country (for as many riders it has/day), and you wanna whore it out even more.... for those who drive that is. If separated along with widening it can work but with M98 so dead M15SBS is basically the only way to revive ridership with rush hr short turns it can salvage whatever is left. M98 is a dead horse MTA destroyed it beyond repair. Plus Harlem river isn't always jammed. Rush short turns starting at 126th southward would retain M15-SBS reliability not including local trips. You fail to consider how really important the M15 is for the entire borough.... Have you forgotten the subway situation on the east side of Manhattan?!? The M98 has its problems but that's not reason to involve the M15 and severely lengthen it. Taking a less prominent route and trying to merge it into a busy route with its own problems is not a good idea. Nailed it.... It's irrelevant to want to send M15's past 125th because the M98 has successfully been bastardized by the MTA. M5 is worse but I see your point. M5 also has a rather significant portion along its route where it sees very little traffic (riverside dr).... Same can't be said for the M15. M35 instead since it's shorter. then former M98 users would use it to the Lexington line to continue their trip. Which would defeat the purpose.... Whatever Washington Heights riders are doing to get to the east side (south of Hunter College, that is), they may as well continue what they're currently doing.... You're doing nothing more than throwing nearby routes out as suggestions for extensions w/o thinking about the impact it would cause..... - The M35 coming off the HRD to stop off @ 125th... to then go on to serve Wards Island? Huh?? - Less seriously (but still a very valid point), Imagine the crazies having to wait for a bus coming from the heights 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vistausss Posted December 12, 2013 Share #731 Posted December 12, 2013 (edited) If they really want to send the M15 SBS up to the heights then the only thing they could do is make an M15W SBS from 125th to the heights. But then again: only if feasible *and* possible because at this point there's no room for an HOV lane on the bridge... Edited December 12, 2013 by Vistausss 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted December 13, 2013 Share #732 Posted December 13, 2013 How So? Lol..... Have you even used the M15 (SBS or not)? Serious Question. The #1 utilized route in the country (for as many riders it has/day), and you wanna whore it out even more.... You fail to consider how really important the M15 is for the entire borough.... Have you forgotten the subway situation on the east side of Manhattan?!? Nailed it.... It's irrelevant to want to send M15's past 125th because the M98 has successfully been bastardized by the MTA. M5 also has a rather significant portion along its route where it sees very little traffic (riverside dr).... Same can't be said for the M15. Which would defeat the purpose.... Whatever Washington Heights riders are doing to get to the east side (south of Hunter College, that is), they may as well continue what they're currently doing.... You're doing nothing more than throwing nearby routes out as suggestions for extensions w/o thinking about the impact it would cause..... - The M35 coming off the HRD to stop off @ 125th... to then go on to serve Wards Island? Huh?? - Less seriously (but still a very valid point), Imagine the crazies having to wait for a bus coming from the heights Good points 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43LTD Posted May 26, 2014 Share #733 Posted May 26, 2014 You do know there's an M12 coming up this fall, right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted May 27, 2014 Share #734 Posted May 27, 2014 You do know there's an M12 coming up this fall, right? I doubt he knows anything that is going on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BxM4Woodlawn Posted June 1, 2014 Share #735 Posted June 1, 2014 my bus proposals M1-bring back service on Park Ave and service to South Ferry M3-extend to Broadway/220th St via St Nicholas/Nagle/10th Aves M5-truncate back to Houston St M6-bring back full time service to South Ferry M9-bring back service to Union Square and Avenue B M10-extend service to Times Square M15-cut out Select Bus Service and bring back service to City Hall M18-bring back full time service M21-bring back service on Avenue C M26-a new route to serve Park Avenue. Northern terminal-Park Ave/130th St. Southern Terminal-Union Square M35-extend to Park Avenue M57-extend to the UN M98-extend back to 34th St M100-extend to H Hudson Pkwy/246th St replacing the Bx20 M103-extend to Battery Park via M9 routing M104-extend back to the UN M106-new western terminal-Broadway/106th St, Route no longer serves 96th St west of Central Park. Route serves 106th St instead M116-new western terminal-Broadway/116th St, Route no longer serves 106th St west of Central Park. Route solely serves 116th St. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted June 1, 2014 Share #736 Posted June 1, 2014 all your park ave routes are NOT HAPPENING because those rich people would KILL IT and why would you extend the m57 back to the UN? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43LTD Posted June 1, 2014 Share #737 Posted June 1, 2014 my bus proposals M1-bring back service on Park Ave and service to South Ferry M3-extend to Broadway/220th St via St Nicholas/Nagle/10th Aves M5-truncate back to Houston St M6-bring back full time service to South Ferry M9-bring back service to Union Square and Avenue B M10-extend service to Times Square M15-cut out Select Bus Service and bring back service to City Hall M18-bring back full time service M21-bring back service on Avenue C M26-a new route to serve Park Avenue. Northern terminal-Park Ave/130th St. Southern Terminal-Union Square M35-extend to Park Avenue M57-extend to the UN M98-extend back to 34th St M100-extend to H Hudson Pkwy/246th St replacing the Bx20 M103-extend to Battery Park via M9 routing M104-extend back to the UN M106-new western terminal-Broadway/106th St, Route no longer serves 96th St west of Central Park. Route serves 106th St instead M116-new western terminal-Broadway/116th St, Route no longer serves 106th St west of Central Park. Route solely serves 116th St. I don't see any of these happening. Especially the M3 to Inwood... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrainFanInfinity Posted June 1, 2014 Share #738 Posted June 1, 2014 (edited) Why would you want to cut out Select Bus Service??? Also random idea but maybe incorporate M12 service to an M31 or former-M104 type of service and extend it via 14th Street (to somewhere; Union Square maybe?) instead of Abingdon Square. Edited June 1, 2014 by TrainFanInfinity 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted June 3, 2014 Share #739 Posted June 3, 2014 Why would you want to cut out Select Bus Service??? Also random idea but maybe incorporate M12 service to an M31 or former-M104 type of service and extend it via 14th Street (to somewhere; Union Square maybe?) instead of Abingdon Square. Just no. my bus proposals M1-bring back service on Park Ave and service to South Ferry M3-extend to Broadway/220th St via St Nicholas/Nagle/10th Aves M5-truncate back to Houston St M6-bring back full time service to South Ferry M9-bring back service to Union Square and Avenue B M10-extend service to Times Square M15-cut out Select Bus Service and bring back service to City Hall M18-bring back full time service M21-bring back service on Avenue C M26-a new route to serve Park Avenue. Northern terminal-Park Ave/130th St. Southern Terminal-Union Square M35-extend to Park Avenue M57-extend to the UN M98-extend back to 34th St M100-extend to H Hudson Pkwy/246th St replacing the Bx20 M103-extend to Battery Park via M9 routing M104-extend back to the UN M106-new western terminal-Broadway/106th St, Route no longer serves 96th St west of Central Park. Route serves 106th St instead M116-new western terminal-Broadway/116th St, Route no longer serves 106th St west of Central Park. Route solely serves 116th St. You're not serious right? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted June 3, 2014 Share #740 Posted June 3, 2014 my bus proposals M1-bring back service on Park Ave and service to South Ferry M3-extend to Broadway/220th St via St Nicholas/Nagle/10th Aves M5-truncate back to Houston St M6-bring back full time service to South Ferry M9-bring back service to Union Square and Avenue B M10-extend service to Times Square M15-cut out Select Bus Service and bring back service to City Hall M18-bring back full time service M21-bring back service on Avenue C M26-a new route to serve Park Avenue. Northern terminal-Park Ave/130th St. Southern Terminal-Union Square M35-extend to Park Avenue M57-extend to the UN M98-extend back to 34th St M100-extend to H Hudson Pkwy/246th St replacing the Bx20 M103-extend to Battery Park via M9 routing M104-extend back to the UN M106-new western terminal-Broadway/106th St, Route no longer serves 96th St west of Central Park. Route serves 106th St instead M116-new western terminal-Broadway/116th St, Route no longer serves 106th St west of Central Park. Route solely serves 116th St. These proposals are beyond ridiculous... Do you actually visit Manhattan ever?? The traffic alone would make these extensions useless. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43LTD Posted June 3, 2014 Share #741 Posted June 3, 2014 These proposals are beyond ridiculous... Do you actually visit Manhattan ever?? The traffic alone would make these extensions useless.Don't knock him. Very few of them make sense... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted June 3, 2014 Share #742 Posted June 3, 2014 Don't knock him. Very few of them make sense... That's precisely the point... Probably some kid that doesn't know any better... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted June 3, 2014 Share #743 Posted June 3, 2014 That's precisely the point... Probably some kid that doesn't know any better... Been there done that. Don't knock him. Very few of them make sense... Correction one of them makes sense. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamousNYLover Posted June 3, 2014 Share #744 Posted June 3, 2014 Reply in Red my bus proposals M1-bring back service on Park Ave and service to South Ferry This I agree since M1 is much shorter than M5, but keep on it's 5th Av and Madison Av routes and it should be full time. M3-extend to Broadway/220th St via St Nicholas/Nagle/10th Aves No. Leave it alone because it's become long local bus like M5. M5-truncate back to Houston St. I thought off agreed. M6-bring back full time service to South Ferry If M1 goes to South Ferry full time, M6 is not needed. If M6 restored full time, M1 South Ferry is not needed. M9-bring back service to Union Square and Avenue B Leave it alone. M10-extend service to Times Square Maybe terminated at 50th St. M15-cut out Select Bus Service and bring back service to City Hall Leave it alone. M15 SBS are doing great job with high-performance service. M18-bring back full time service Not needed because it's close to M2, M3. Convent Av near City College is not official streets anymore. M21-bring back service on Avenue C. Leave it alone. M26-a new route to serve Park Avenue. Northern terminal-Park Ave/130th St. Southern Terminal-Union Square No. M35-extend to Park Avenue No. M57-extend to the UN M57 should remain on 57th St. People going to UN can just transfer to M15 Local/SBS. M98-extend back to 34th St It should end at 59th-60th Sts instead. M100-extend to H Hudson Pkwy/246th St replacing the Bx20 No. NIMBY's don't want M100 like everyone who said here long time ago. Leave Bx20 alone. M100 will be too long, not counting traffic on 125th St. M103-extend to Battery Park via M9 routing No, it will be too long and articulated bus cannot under tight turn in Battery Park City. M104-extend back to the UN I agreeded. Community Boards along 42nd St are fighting to restored M104 on 42nd St. M106-new western terminal-Broadway/106th St, Route no longer serves 96th St west of Central Park. Route serves 106th St instead Leave it alone. Reason M106 serves West 96th St because there are no Central Park Transverse Rd at 116th St. Passenger could easily transfer to M10, M7, M11, M104, M5 to get to 106th St. M116-new western terminal-Broadway/116th St, Route no longer serves 106th St west of Central Park. Route solely serves 116th St. Reason M116 uses West 106th St because of Morningside Park. People could transfer easily to M7, M4, M11, M5 to get to 116th St, etc. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BxM4Woodlawn Posted June 4, 2014 Share #745 Posted June 4, 2014 Reply in Red okay keep the M15 SBS but use High floor artics for it instead, Low floors suck on the M15 big time, and could the M103 use non artics or no? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted June 4, 2014 Share #746 Posted June 4, 2014 Reply in Red Dude don't bother replying to him. okay keep the M15 SBS but use High floor artics for it instead, Low floors suck on the M15 big time, and could the M103 use non artics or no? Ugh NO!!!! to any more high-floors in Manhattan you would make services more unreliable than they already are. Do you have a clue how many old people use M buses? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted June 4, 2014 Share #747 Posted June 4, 2014 my bus proposals M1-bring back service on Park Ave and service to South Ferry M3-extend to Broadway/220th St via St Nicholas/Nagle/10th Aves M5-truncate back to Houston St M6-bring back full time service to South Ferry M9-bring back service to Union Square and Avenue B M10-extend service to Times Square M15-cut out Select Bus Service and bring back service to City Hall M18-bring back full time service M21-bring back service on Avenue C M26-a new route to serve Park Avenue. Northern terminal-Park Ave/130th St. Southern Terminal-Union Square M35-extend to Park Avenue M57-extend to the UN M98-extend back to 34th St M100-extend to H Hudson Pkwy/246th St replacing the Bx20 M103-extend to Battery Park via M9 routing M104-extend back to the UN M106-new western terminal-Broadway/106th St, Route no longer serves 96th St west of Central Park. Route serves 106th St instead M116-new western terminal-Broadway/116th St, Route no longer serves 106th St west of Central Park. Route solely serves 116th St. I'm only gonna comment on the ones that haven't been regurgitated in some way, shape, or form.... M3 - That service gap, the MTA already has plans for.... The M100 sometime this year is supposed to get diverted off broadway @ dyckman, then run along Dyckman to 10th (like this.... from one of the MTA's PDF's)..... Makes more sense to have the M100 doing that, since it already serves Inwood.... Whereas the M3 has no business serving Inwood...... M9 - With all the service given to the 14a/14d, this simply isn't happening..... M18 - The M18 was basically an M3 that served the other side of the hill/terrain... Had very little ridership.... No point in having this brought back.... M21 - The (current) M9 better services the needs of East Villagers.... This is a move the MTA actually got right, albeit not for that purpose obviously.... As for the M21 itself, don't know how well received it is east of Av C and south of houston..... "M26" - Not taking this seriously, for obvious reasons...... M35 - Lol @ this.... Who in their right mind would come from somewhere along park av (on your "M26") or from off the MNRR to take the M35 to Randall's Island? This idea (along w/ your "M26") is simply devoid of reality..... M57 - For what reason(s) ? M100 - The Bx20 is nothing more than spuyten duyvil's version of a Bx7 to the subways..... Those folks don't want service south of Inwood, and the main reason Bx7's get usage from Washington Hgts patrons to riverdale, is for the connection to the BL-8 to Yonkers, etc.... Hell, If you even wanted to extend the M100 into the Bronx to benefit riders, it would be on up to 225th for the mall, or 242nd/Broadway for the Bee-Line routes.... Problem w/ the former is that there isn't a place to feasibly terminate buses, and the problem w/ the latter is that reliability & performance would drastically decrease, given the headache that Broadway is b/w Van Cortlandt park South & 225th..... Which is something you most certainly aren't considering with all these extensions all over the place; in Manhattan nonetheless ! M103 - It would be simpler to extend the M22 for that purpose (of keeping a BPC - City Hall/Park Row connection intact).... Just saying... M106 - If you'd have the M106 taking CPN to get to/from either side, then there's no way in hell that route would survive.... The M106 needs the riders it gets from W 96th to survive.... M116 - Aside from the fact that the existences of the Park (Morningside) & Columbia U. throwing a complete monkey-wrench into this plan, You wanting to terminate the M116 right in front of Columbia U. says enough...... Why would you want to cut out Select Bus Service??? Lol @ the notion that SBS is infallible...... Don't knock him. Very few of them make sense... This is like a woman asking you if she's fat, and you go ahead & say she's ugly.... The point? Your very reply is knocking him. Correction one of them makes sense. Yeah, we know.... The one that makes the least sense to the rest of us that are sane..... Reply in Red M1-bring back service on Park Ave and service to South Ferry This I agree since M1 is much shorter than M5, but keep on it's 5th Av and Madison Av routes and it should be full time. M5-truncate back to Houston St. I thought off agreed. M1 - So the M1 having its own riderbase doesn't matter.... M5 - What? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BxM4Woodlawn Posted June 4, 2014 Share #748 Posted June 4, 2014 I'm only gonna comment on the ones that haven't been regurgitated in some way, shape, or form.... M3 - That service gap, the MTA already has plans for.... The M100 sometime this year is supposed to get diverted off broadway @ dyckman, then run along Dyckman to 10th (like this.... from one of the MTA's PDF's)..... Makes more sense to have the M100 doing that, since it already serves Inwood.... Whereas the M3 has no business serving Inwood...... M9 - With all the service given to the 14a/14d, this simply isn't happening..... M18 - The M18 was basically an M3 that served the other side of the hill/terrain... Had very little ridership.... No point in having this brought back.... M21 - The (current) M9 better services the needs of East Villagers.... This is a move the MTA actually got right, albeit not for that purpose obviously.... As for the M21 itself, don't know how well received it is east of Av C and south of houston..... "M26" - Not taking this seriously, for obvious reasons...... M35 - Lol @ this.... Who in their right mind would come from somewhere along park av (on your "M26") or from off the MNRR to take the M35 to Randall's Island? This idea (along w/ your "M26") is simply devoid of reality..... M57 - For what reason(s) ? M100 - The Bx20 is nothing more than spuyten duyvil's version of a Bx7 to the subways..... Those folks don't want service south of Inwood, and the main reason Bx7's get usage from Washington Hgts patrons to riverdale, is for the connection to the BL-8 to Yonkers, etc.... Hell, If you even wanted to extend the M100 into the Bronx to benefit riders, it would be on up to 225th for the mall, or 242nd/Broadway for the Bee-Line routes.... Problem w/ the former is that there isn't a place to feasibly terminate buses, and the problem w/ the latter is that reliability & performance would drastically decrease, given the headache that Broadway is b/w Van Cortlandt park South & 225th..... Which is something you most certainly aren't considering with all these extensions all over the place; in Manhattan nonetheless ! M103 - It would be simpler to extend the M22 for that purpose (of keeping a BPC - City Hall/Park Row connection intact).... Just saying... M106 - If you'd have the M106 taking CPN to get to/from either side, then there's no way in hell that route would survive.... The M106 needs the riders it gets from W 96th to survive.... M116 - Aside from the fact that the existences of the Park (Morningside) & Columbia U. throwing a complete monkey-wrench into this plan, You wanting to terminate the M116 right in front of Columbia U. says enough...... Lol @ the notion that SBS is infallible...... This is like a woman asking you if she's fat, and you go ahead & say she's ugly.... The point? Your very reply is knocking him. Yeah, we know.... The one that makes the least sense to the rest of us that are sane..... M1 - So the M1 having its own riderbase doesn't matter.... M5 - What? Park Ave doesnt have any buses so that's why I came up with the M26. And low floors are slow as hell and are too bouncy. the older buses have better service and go faster!, And I am wondering could the M103 run non artics or no? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted June 4, 2014 Share #749 Posted June 4, 2014 Park Ave doesnt have any buses so that's why I came up with the M26. And low floors are slow as hell and are too bouncy. the older buses have better service and go faster!, And I am wondering could the M103 run non artics or no? That much is apparent.... Still doesn't mean Park av is deserving of a bus route..... That's what those have responded to your ideas are trying to get through to you..... I don't know which of your ideas you're referring to, where you now start talking about LF's (although I'm not a fan of LF's either, but that's besides the point)..... But None of that factored into my prior post there... The M103 already runs artics, just like the M101 & M102 does..... All 3 of those routes, along w/ the 86, are the 4 artic routes out of Tuskegee (f.k.a 100th st depot).... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BxM4Woodlawn Posted June 4, 2014 Share #750 Posted June 4, 2014 well park ave needs a bus route and the m103 can use rts's 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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