DaTransitMan4608 Posted March 9, 2013 Share #651 Posted March 9, 2013 @QJT: See there you go saying people are gonna use the train over the bus again. You don't know that. They might just choose the bus. - And no, extending the 113 over there isn't a solution. -To add, Piscataway is anything but dead. I've been there plenty of times. Um lets leave the 800-series routes in Monmouth and Middlesex counties please. There's no need to put any local routes on the highways makin' them so much longer then they need to be. All that messin' around....ain't nobody got time fo' dat! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted March 9, 2013 Author Share #652 Posted March 9, 2013 (edited) @QJT: See there you go saying people are gonna use the train over the bus again. You don't know that. They might just choose the bus. - And no, extending the 113 over there isn't a solution. -To add, Piscataway is anything but dead. I've been there plenty of times. Um lets leave the 800-series routes in Monmouth and Middlesex counties please. There's no need to put any local routes on the highways makin' them so much longer then they need to be. All that messin' around....ain't nobody got time fo' dat! So we have time to create new routes from scratch but no time to add ridership to short lines by making them serve new teritories? I said 113X trips Besides that area is near new brunswick. That is the reason why 800 series routes are so weak they don't have many places to get demand and resources within their counties. Your forgetting that NJT's fare structure makes it cheaper to operate extensions of existing lines than create new ones from scratch. Nothing wrong with connecting to ocean county better. OC needs to go bye bye anyway. 818 via rte 18 last I checked rte 18 is a highway. 556 Now that I think about it it's easier to extend 834 over this routing but terminating at toms river bus terminal. Let 319 get some extra AC service even at 137's expense well (off-peak) and some rush hour trips that is. You will be able to rid off the 830 by 317 running over it's northern part between asbury park and wall township via streamlining Cutting it's run time to just 2 hours. South of that via this route. Or via a new 305 route from hoboken hudson waterfront it goes express to monmouth via rte 34 and goes to brick via rte 34 and 830's routing partially to point pleasant. On second thought that may be a better idea than extending 834 after all. Ohh well. FYI it would replace the old 305 in hudson county as well and serve newark airport. Edited March 9, 2013 by qjtransitmaster 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted March 9, 2013 Author Share #653 Posted March 9, 2013 (edited) hmm well this 118 looks like a super express of 116 in a way. The RWJ can be with 113X extension. Besides piscataway is mostly industrial parks. Edited March 9, 2013 by qjtransitmaster 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirJokaPlaya Posted March 10, 2013 Share #654 Posted March 10, 2013 @QJT: See there you go saying people are gonna use the train over the bus again. You don't know that. They might just choose the bus. - And no, extending the 113 over there isn't a solution. -To add, Piscataway is anything but dead. I've been there plenty of times. Um lets leave the 800-series routes in Monmouth and Middlesex counties please. There's no need to put any local routes on the highways makin' them so much longer then they need to be. All that messin' around....ain't nobody got time fo' dat! Gave u the wrong rating. sorry. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted March 10, 2013 Author Share #655 Posted March 10, 2013 Gave u the wrong rating. sorry. I am interested how will this 118 be faster than NEC express trains? Where will off-peak ridership come from? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted March 10, 2013 Share #656 Posted March 10, 2013 piscataway was his idea I have been to that area it is dead a new route will not work there. The train is too easy to use however in theory one can extend 113X trips over that area. 556 why not keep the 800 series designation. I'd let 834 do it via GSP stops at the premium outlets then via brick and lavalette replacing OC10 to toms river then express via stafford stop to AC OR truncate at toms river terminal time with 319 AC bound trips and convert some 137s into 319s. Timed connection at monmouth service plaza for academy AC service. And other lines the trick is to maximize ridership on existing services. Also the 836 can be streamlined in freehold then merged with 613 or 619 via rte 33. If merged with 613 rte 130 shuttle gets axed and 613 splits into 2 with this asbury park route ending at TTC. The quaker bridge to TTC becomes 603. And 603's segment in mercer gets absorbed into a crosstown called 411 which goes directly to quaker bridge mall beyond I am working on. It originates at philly airport via 450's routing in camden minus WRTC. If it's a dead area as you say, then what would be the point of extending 113x trips over there (in theory) ? As far as not keeping the 800 series designation, we're doing so because the idea in question would be a full service line.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted March 11, 2013 Author Share #657 Posted March 11, 2013 If it's a dead area as you say, then what would be the point of extending 113x trips over there (in theory) ? As far as not keeping the 800 series designation, we're doing so because the idea in question would be a full service line.... Interesting but I'd rather power up 319 and add a stop at brick and stafford or forked river(off-peak only) The area has life at rush hour that is why but outside heck after 8pmish it gets real dead. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted March 11, 2013 Share #658 Posted March 11, 2013 Interesting but I'd rather power up 319 and add a stop at brick and stafford or forked river(off-peak only) The area has life at rush hour that is why but outside heck after 8pmish it gets real dead. I'm guessing you mean peak instead of off peak The 319 is solely for the Casino goers and workers to/from Atlantic City and Toms River and for commuters who don't want to take the 139 to NYC. Why enlargen the 319 runtime. Let the 137 do that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted March 11, 2013 Share #659 Posted March 11, 2013 Interesting but I'd rather power up 319 and add a stop at brick and stafford or forked river(off-peak only) The area has life at rush hour that is why but outside heck after 8pmish it gets real dead. It's not "powering" up the 319 if you're adding intermediate stops to it.... Last thing we need is any localizing of the 319 ! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted March 11, 2013 Share #660 Posted March 11, 2013 (edited) It's not "powering" up the 319 if you're adding intermediate stops to it.... Last thing we need is any localizing of the 319 !Wasn't there a local 319 before, that was discontinued. EDIT: After searching up about the local 319, the local 319 today is known as the 139. What was the 139 was a local NYC to AC route. The 559 and 116 also were parts of the old 319 local. Edited March 11, 2013 by Q23 Central Terminal 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaTransitMan4608 Posted March 11, 2013 Share #661 Posted March 11, 2013 @QJ: Let's not make the 319's trip time any longer than it needs to be. Yeah there used to be a local 319. Like Q23 said it was basically the 559/139/116 combined into one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted March 11, 2013 Author Share #662 Posted March 11, 2013 @QJ: Let's not make the 319's trip time any longer than it needs to be. Yeah there used to be a local 319. Like Q23 said it was basically the 559/139/116 combined into one. NAH only 2 stops I have no intention of it touching local streets just a few stops added that aren't served by academy followed by additional service. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted March 12, 2013 Share #663 Posted March 12, 2013 (edited) Wasn't there a local 319 before, that was discontinued. EDIT: After searching up about the local 319, the local 319 today is known as the 139. What was the 139 was a local NYC to AC route. The 559 and 116 also were parts of the old 319 local. yes there was a local 319... that's why I brought it up..... NAH only 2 stops I have no intention of it touching local streets just a few stops added that aren't served by academy followed by additional service. Lol @ this.... For the 319 to stop at brick and stafford or forked river (off-peak only), it would have to get off the GSP.... Edited March 12, 2013 by B35 via Church 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted March 12, 2013 Share #664 Posted March 12, 2013 (edited) NAH only 2 stops I have no intention of it touching local streets just a few stops added that aren't served by academy followed by additional service. I'd still let the 137 do that, especially after you said it would make only a few stops. Edited March 12, 2013 by Q23 Central Terminal 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted March 12, 2013 Author Share #665 Posted March 12, 2013 (edited) I'd still let the 137 do that, especially after you said it would make only a few stops. forked river is served by academy. Plus 137 is a variant of the 319. Current 319 trips won't change. These are just extra ones or converted 137s. However the 60 can be a better candidate anyway. Edited March 12, 2013 by qjtransitmaster 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted March 12, 2013 Share #666 Posted March 12, 2013 forked river is served by academy. Plus 137 is a variant of the 319. Current 319 trips won't change. These are just extra ones or converted 137s. However the 60 can be a better candidate anyway. The 137 is Bascially a 319 short-turn. That's why I orginally proposed that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
553 Bridgeton Posted March 12, 2013 Share #667 Posted March 12, 2013 Interesting but I'd rather power up 319 and add a stop at brick and stafford or forked river(off-peak only) The area has life at rush hour that is why but outside heck after 8pmish it gets real dead. Are kidding me? You want us working blood money? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted March 12, 2013 Author Share #668 Posted March 12, 2013 Are kidding me? You want us working blood money? what about driver changes at toms river? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
553 Bridgeton Posted March 12, 2013 Share #669 Posted March 12, 2013 what about driver changes at toms river? That doesnt make make sense. You would then need a njt car for a driver to drive to that location, then the driver has to drive back to said garage. Njt wont go for that if its not needed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted March 12, 2013 Share #670 Posted March 12, 2013 what about driver changes at toms river? What about not adding stops on the 319...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaTransitMan4608 Posted March 12, 2013 Share #671 Posted March 12, 2013 (edited) Anyway, I think I've held off on this for quite a while now. I finally managed to get to a computer so here we go. Nice setup for your 500th post huh But let's see here.... (don't worry, I'm not gonna bore you w/ comparing/critiquing your ideas to w/e current services already provided by private carriers) - NJT# 60: Hmm... Well I like the idea of a JSQ route panning to that part of Central Jersey (I would also try to find a way to have it make a stop or two *somewhere* in P. Amboy as well [doesn't necessarily have to be in the downtown area]), but I'm not sure why you have it going to Weehawken in-particular... If you're trying to garner a secondary riderbase (from JSQ, onward), I suppose I would find a way to directly connect Hoboken to Newport Mall to JSQ, instead of going Weehawken-JSQ..... Secondly, which branch (union beach, keansburg) would serve EWR ? I'm actually thinking about sending it that way in Hudson County (JSQ-Hoboken-Weehawken). I'm gonna have the Union Beach branch serve the airport since that's the route's main terminus. - NJT# 131: I have no comment on this one... I don't know how the regular/real 131 is used. It's basically the 135, except it goes up Laurence Pkwy and takes '35 to Sayreville. My new 131 makes it serve Union Beach instead of going to Freehold. - NJT# 314: Although I'd like to fan such a route, I can't agree with a route serving six flags & seaside hgts... Anyway, would these run in conjunction with 318's? - NJT# 391: Given where the route's coming from (philly/camden), I'm not understanding why you have this stopping off @ EWR, or looping in newark...... Any reason why you don't just have the jersey city buses stopping off in newark (in other words, getting rid of the newark loop & combining service to newark proper & JSQ)? NYC service/branch is fine.... #314: It won't run in conjunction with the 318 since this one is a year-round line. If it doesn't get good ridership during the fall/winter, I may just restrict it to being a seasonal line. #391: I just made the Newark and Jersey City branches into one branch.https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=208174968748802406451.0004d6d502939a0154b9d&msa=0&ll=40.69847,-74.150162&spn=0.082122,0.209255 - NJT# 556: I notice a lot of your ideas have branches.... Lol. I have to admit, this is one hell of a route you thought up here.... I can agree w/ what you're trying to do here in general, but I would do it a little differently.... The Red Bank spur I would keep on rt. 35 to industrial way (buses would not stop anywhere inside monmouth mall), then have it make its way to rt. 18 all the way to the end (at rt 138), then your route to AC... The idea is to get as much ppl. as possible to consider taking the route.... It wouldn't make all local stops like the 831/832 does along 35, and it would utilize more of 18 (your nonstop portion).... The Long Branch spur, it would make branching easier, since you wouldn't have to have buses shooting across rt 36 to get to GSP.... From rt 36, buses would turn down rt. 35 & make its way to rt. 18, etc. the same way the Red Bank buses would (from rt 35).... again, it's all about attracting ridership... your NJT 556 routing south of rt 138, I have no prob's with.... I adjusted the 556 a little bit and added an Express. I tried to adjust the 556B to do what you suggested, can you let me know if I missed anything there?https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=208174968748802406451.0004d39d8dacfb5ed76ae&msa=0&ll=40.177168,-74.084587&spn=0.082761,0.209255&iwloc=0004d7bfecdcdc6729bc4 - NJT# 812: I think I commented on this already; if not, this route looks good to me ! You could also use this to eliminate your 817B branch. and finally... - NJT# 817: The colors, the colors... lol... Okay, how should I do this: * 817B I don't think is necessary... Anyone needing areas north of P. Amboy will just have to xfer to your newfound #812... * 817M I would combine with the 817L segment.... your 817M b/w laurel av & rt 35 I wouldn't bother with... * 817T I agree with, and would give a whole new route number to... * 817S I also agree with (I would make this a part of the regular 817 service... the current 817 in that area south of ridgeway I would relegate to select trips on the 817 only) ^^ So with what I'm saying from your idea here, there would be 2 branches of the 817 - one that would serve union beach ([1]) & one that wouldn't ([2])... [1] From your map (from P. Amboy), the 817 would follow the blue line to raritan st, then the yellow line to rt 684 (main st), then the blue line to the turquoise line to carr, down carr, then follow the blue line across center av & down main st to port monmouth, etc. to campbell's junction.... The current 817 routing south of the yellow line (your 817S) I'd have a select amount of 817 trips take on.... [2] The other branch (from P. Amboy) would follow the blue line to raritan st, then your yellow line to rt 684 (main st), then the blue line to atlantic st, where it would then follow the purple line to laurel av, runs up laurel to the point where it would follow the turquoise line to carr, then carr > center > main > port monmouth, etc. to campbell's junction..... Again, the current 817 routing south of the yellow line (your 817S) I'd have a select amount of 817 trips take on.... --------------- ...btw, your 817T from P. Amboy (which I'd give another route # to), I'd run across the bridge & have it take rt 684 straight to the area surrounding NJT S. Amboy RR (like the #815 does), etc. en route to campbell's junction... I'm not all that fond of the 817B routing (the red line), but I suppose you could combine the 817B & the 817T & have that as a separate route/route number if you really wanna connect keansburg, etc. to woodbridge ctr. mall (these would be the buses that would avoid downtown perth amboy).... Well, that was fun.... Await your comments bro Damn....where do I start lol? It's like you read my mind with those directions! Yeah with the route 35 branch, I was gonna make it a separate route at first, but I figured it would be better to make that segment part of the 817 since it shares the road with it a majority of the time (plus I didn't need to hear QJ talking about how it would "duplicate the 817" or "you can just have academy do it"). You said something about combining the "M" trips with the "L" trips? I guess I could have some trips do that. Called them ML trips or something. With all these extensions, I bet you guys are probably wondering where the buses for these will come from. Well I came ready for that too. The route will be split between Academy Leonardo, Veolia, and Academy Perth Amboy. Leonardo and Veolia will receive some NABI's to help do the extra trips for the 817. Here's how it's gonna work: 817B= Perth Amboy/Veolia 817C= Perth Amboy 817L=Perth Amboy/Leonardo 817M=Leonardo/Veolia 817S=Perth Amboy 817T(might be renumbered)= Leonardo/Perth Amboy Another thing I'm gonna do is have the destination signs changed from 817 Campbells Junct. to 817 Middletown-Belford so people know the bus is going somewhere they've heard of. You do realize NJ is not your strength right? You need to stop bullying Q23. Yeah he doesn't live in NJ, but B35 doesn't either, and he knows more about it than you do. really Well one you can power up middle rd academy service to hourly off peak and make a cross honoring deal to help local riders. Then 817 can be rerouted via rte 35 to still end at campbell. While 819 metuchen can be made useful by going via raritan center and the college then express via GSP to replace 817's keansburg routing and union beach. Now people there have job access to raritan center and soon other places. 1) Leave Academy out of this. This is about the 817, not Academy. 2) Stop trying to turn local lines into regional lines. They were made as local lines for a reason. Edited March 12, 2013 by Transitkid4608 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted March 13, 2013 Author Share #672 Posted March 13, 2013 (edited) That doesnt make make sense. You would then need a njt car for a driver to drive to that location, then the driver has to drive back to said garage. Njt wont go for that if its not needed. split with academy toms river and New NJT garage to replace oceanride by getting rid of oceanride. Anyway, I think I've held off on this for quite a while now. I finally managed to get to a computer so here we go. I'm actually thinking about sending it that way in Hudson County (JSQ-Hoboken-Weehawken). I'm gonna have the Union Beach branch serve the airport since that's the route's main terminus. It's basically the 135, except it goes up Laurence Pkwy and takes '35 to Sayreville. My new 131 makes it serve Union Beach instead of going to Freehold. #314: It won't run in conjunction with the 318 since this one is a year-round line. If it doesn't get good ridership during the fall/winter, I may just restrict it to being a seasonal line. #391: I just made the Newark and Jersey City branches into one branch.https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=208174968748802406451.0004d6d502939a0154b9d&msa=0&ll=40.69847,-74.150162&spn=0.082122,0.209255 I adjusted the 556 a little bit and added an Express. I tried to adjust the 556B to do what you suggested, can you let me know if I missed anything there?https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=208174968748802406451.0004d39d8dacfb5ed76ae&msa=0&ll=40.177168,-74.084587&spn=0.082761,0.209255&iwloc=0004d7bfecdcdc6729bc4 Damn....where do I start lol? It's like you read my mind with those directions! Yeah with the route 35 branch, I was gonna make it a separate route at first, but I figured it would be better to make that segment part of the 817 since it shares the road with it a majority of the time (plus I didn't need to hear QJ talking about how it would "duplicate the 817" or "you can just have academy do it"). You said something about combining the "M" trips with the "L" trips? I guess I could have some trips do that. Called them ML trips or something. With all these extensions, I bet you guys are probably wondering where the buses for these will come from. Well I came ready for that too. The route will be split between Academy Leonardo, Veolia, and Academy Perth Amboy. Leonardo and Veolia will receive some NABI's to help do the extra trips for the 817. Here's how it's gonna work: 817B= Perth Amboy/Veolia 817C= Perth Amboy 817L=Perth Amboy/Leonardo 817M=Leonardo/Veolia 817S=Perth Amboy 817T(might be renumbered)= Leonardo/Perth Amboy Another thing I'm gonna do is have the destination signs changed from 817 Campbells Junct. to 817 Middletown-Belford so people know the bus is going somewhere they've heard of. You need to stop bullying Q23. Yeah he doesn't live in NJ, but B35 doesn't either, and he knows more about it than you do. 1) Leave Academy out of this. This is about the 817, not Academy. 2) Stop trying to turn local lines into regional lines. They were made as local lines for a reason. Really you mean barely used and barely go anywhere then yes yet you want to get people to use a line that is not useful to them. Those local lines are weak they are completely flawed and incompatible with how people in that region travel. 817 is contracted run by academy. And the asbury park and rte 36 services are used as local lines by the people there. A handful of riders on the asbury park line use it just within monmouth county you can't just ignore them. Haven't ya heard of a little something called Boltbus/greyhound? HA LOL YOU CAN'T BE SERIOUS!!!!!! I used academy and 832 enough to know that academy should be included into the equation of integrating into monmouth county's transit system. UTTER BULL. B35 knows about NJ but he definately does not know more than me unless there are things he knows that he has yet to mention so the full extent of his knowledge is unknown. Q23 knows NYC not NJ I am just saying it as it is. You refuse to acknowledge all the services within the area you try to talk about meaning ALL must be maximized or perfected you don't just run 2 near identical services in NJ and then say ohh one is academy the other is NJT they do the same thing that is redundancy and waste. Like B35 said earlier drop the crazy amount of branches do you even know NJT's capacity and capabilities? How resource intensive it is to make these branches which duplicate when you can simply cut a cross-honoring deal and make use of existing resources rather than extracting more buses to do the same shit. You can't just focus on one line here this ain't NYCT. NJT goes by the region the routes must work together to serve different needs. Kindly map out that leonardo branch. I missed that part about 3 academy garages. Edited March 13, 2013 by qjtransitmaster 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted March 13, 2013 Author Share #673 Posted March 13, 2013 What about not adding stops on the 319...... To the existing trips yes I am talking about adding new trips that would serve brick and toms river. While the other stops are served by 60 and academy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted March 13, 2013 Share #674 Posted March 13, 2013 (edited) B35 knows about NJ but he definately does not know more than me unless there are things he knows that he has yet to mention so the full extent of his knowledge is unknown. .....Then don't sit up here & say I definitely do not know more than you. Unlike you, I don't have to say I know more than you.... Simply saying it don't mean shit, showing it means a hell of a lot more.... To the existing trips yes I am talking about adding new trips that would serve brick and toms river. While the other stops are served by 60 and academy. Yeah right..... Good job exuding that knowledge of NJ by the way... You know - that knowledge you proclaim I definitely don't have moreso than you.... Lmao...... I love how you went from: - "Interesting but I'd rather power up 319 and add a stop at brick and stafford or forked river(off-peak only) The area has life at rush hour that is why but outside heck after 8pmish it gets real dead." - "NAH only 2 stops I have no intention of it touching local streets just a few stops added that aren't served by academy followed by additional service." - "what about driver changes at toms river?" ....to now telling me about Adding trips on the 319 to justify doing this nonsense of adding intermediate stops to the route... Edited March 13, 2013 by B35 via Church 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaTransitMan4608 Posted March 13, 2013 Share #675 Posted March 13, 2013 (edited) split with academy toms river and New NJT garage to replace oceanride by getting rid of oceanride. 817 is contracted run by academy. And the asbury park and rte 36 services are used as local lines by the people there. A handful of riders on the asbury park line use it just within monmouth county you can't just ignore them. Not everybody knows that. Most people who take the 817 think it's run by NJT. Which for the most part it is, since it uses NJT's buses and is handled by NJT. Most people are looking to NJT when they want to give feedback on the 817, that is, if they give any feedback at all. I've never seen or heard of anyone using those Academy buses as local services. Most of the time you'd see people taking them to NYC. Haven't ya heard of a little something called Boltbus/greyhound? Why would you ask me that? Of course I have. HA LOL YOU CAN'T BE SERIOUS!!!!!! I used academy and 832 enough to know that academy should be included into the equation of integrating into monmouth county's transit system. To the public, Academy and the 832 are nothing alike. And that's how most of us see it. I'm not saying we should cut Academy off completely, what I'm saying is, you can't say a local line will lose to an NYC bound Academy bus just because they're in the same area. UTTER BULL. B35 knows about NJ but he definately does not know more than me unless there are things he knows that he has yet to mention so the full extent of his knowledge is unknown. He's taken more NJT buses than you have, he's been to most of NJ's regions, and he knows NJ's bus system so much better than you do. Plus he's not calling Piscataway a "dead area." Furthermore, he doesn't belittle people about their knowledge of NJ just because he doesn't like one of their ideas, you know kinda like how you do. Q23 knows NYC not NJ I am just saying it as it is. From what I've read, he knows NJ. He's taken fantrips here in the past, and yeah some of his proposals have been a little questionable, but that's no reason to tell him he knows nothing about NJ. You need to stop telling people that they know nothing about specific areas, because if they didn't, they wouldn't be making proposals/participating in discussions about said areas. You refuse to acknowledge all the services within the area you try to talk about meaning ALL must be maximized or perfected you don't just run 2 near identical services in NJ and then say ohh one is academy the other is NJT they do the same thing that is redundancy and waste. - Academy Route 9 and NJT 139 anyone? Again not everyone sees it that way. Most everyday commuters down here see a huge difference between NJT and Academy. Plus they are two different services. Academy Like B35 said earlier drop the crazy amount of branches do you even know NJT's capacity and capabilities? First off stop questioning my knowledge of NJT. You have a really bad habit of doing that. Second, I don't put like 10 different branches on one line. The most I've ever put was on the 817. Otherwise it hasn't gone higher than that. How resource intensive it is to make these branches which duplicate when you can simply cut a cross-honoring deal and make use of existing resources rather than extracting more buses to do the same shit. How many times do I have to tell you this...... ACADEMY WILL NEVER CROSS-HONOR TICKETS FOR THE SAME ROUTE. People along Route 9 have tried in the past to board an Academy bus with an NJT pass. They couldn't and ended up having to wait for the next 139. Kindly map out that leonardo branch. I missed that part about 3 academy garages. Go back and read it then. Edited March 13, 2013 by Transitkid4608 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.