Union Tpke Posted July 30, 2013 Share #1 Posted July 30, 2013 I've been wondering what car classes can be in classes with a different class. For example the redbirds where in mixed car classes a lot. R32s,r38s, R40 slants and modified,and r42s can run together. Can the R44s and R46s be in a train with other cars. How about these cars and the NTTs? Can someone give me a list of which cars can run in a consist of other cars from a different car class. In theory can an a a division car run together with a b division car in the b division. Sent from my iPod touch using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peacemak3r Posted July 30, 2013 Share #2 Posted July 30, 2013 I'm not sure about it but if I recall there was a set on the that was R160A and R160B together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ MC Posted July 30, 2013 Share #3 Posted July 30, 2013 R44s and R46s were suppose to run together. They could, but you would burst the air pipe. The air pipe on the R44s and R46s were different. Also they had different breaking systems. So they could not run together. R142/142As could run together, but the ride would not be very comfortable for the passengers. Same story with the R62/62As and R68/68As. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamen Rider Posted July 30, 2013 Share #4 Posted July 30, 2013 anything in the SMEE family can be coupled together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted July 30, 2013 Share #5 Posted July 30, 2013 Lets see... Arnines (their own class) Everything R10-R42 (both A and B division, all SMEE class) R142 & R142A (one is faster than the other) Any R160 can run with each other (Running Siemens and Alstom cars together doesn't work all that well) Not sure about the 68s & 46s, heard those count as SMEE as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4P3607 Posted July 30, 2013 Share #6 Posted July 30, 2013 I'll be straight forward (With the current fleet): Any of the redbirds - R32 - R38 - R40/M - R42 (The redbirds and R32/38/40/42 obviously didn't run together, but they can). R44 (Can't be coupled with anything else) R46 (Can't be coupled with anything else) R62 - R62A (Can, but the train would jerk too much. They are not mixed together in regular service). R68 - R68A (Can, but same case with the R62/A) I believe the R62A - R68 & R62 - R68A can run together since they have the same air brakes, but i've never seen this happening. R142 - R142A (Can, but the R142A are faster than the R142, causing major bucking issues. A test was done a little while back on the , and it did not work out). R143* R160A/B (R160 in general). Siemens-Alstom mixed together is very rare, but still happens on occasion. The last time i've seen this was on the with 9102 & 8812. *-The R160 were supposed to be compatible with the R143, but for some reason they are not. With the pre-Redbird fleet, I'm not sure. Fresh Pond pretty much explained that part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Snowblock Posted July 30, 2013 Share #8 Posted July 30, 2013 No, the 44/46 is not compatible with the 68/68A....but R46's and R142/3/160's CAN actually run together, believe it or not! .....and no, you aren't EVER going to see that happen except for an equipment move or a rescue train tow, so don't start getting ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vistausss Posted July 30, 2013 Share #9 Posted July 30, 2013 Lets see... R142 & R142A (one is faster than the other) Which is the main problem. They tried that on the awhile ago and it didn't work out so well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted July 30, 2013 Author Share #10 Posted July 30, 2013 How does the R44 be in the transit museum if it isn't able to connect to any other car? Sent from my iPod touch using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realizm Posted July 30, 2013 Share #11 Posted July 30, 2013 No, the 44/46 is not compatible with the 68/68A....but R46's and R142/3/160's CAN actually run together, believe it or not! .....and no, you aren't EVER going to see that happen except for an equipment move or a rescue train tow, so don't start getting ideas. That's what I figured. Different motors and electronic systems between the two makes it impossible. If I recall correctly, the R68's actually follow a more conventional design similar to the SMEE's unlike the R44's and R46's which follow a different concept in it's design. How does the R44 be in the transit museum if it isn't able to connect to any other car? Sent from my iPod touch using Tapatalk It was very likely towed by a work service locomotive not a passenger train. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted July 30, 2013 Author Share #12 Posted July 30, 2013 How would it work on fan trips? Passengers usually go in between cars to see different cars. R40 Slants would probably be on the ends. If they were on a fan trip I would love to take a video from the slant's RFW Sent from my iPod touch using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted July 30, 2013 Share #13 Posted July 30, 2013 How does the R44 be in the transit museum if it isn't able to connect to any other car? Sent from my iPod touch using Tapatalk Coupler adapters. This is not a real connection where you have control of the entire train (the brakes have to be cut out on the cars being pulled), but to pull a train with a different couplers, you can hook up the "iron" part with a third piece that goes between them. No, the 44/46 is not compatible with the 68/68A....but R46's and R142/3/160's CAN actually run together, believe it or not! they have the same couplers (but still, you have to make sure the covers are drawn, as they will not automatically push each other out of the way like they do when coupling the same car class), but as far as electric and air, they are different. So this too would only be an "iron" hookup. It's annoying how they always vowed similar car classes (44/46, 62/62A, 68/68A, 143/160) would be compatible, but then they always have to change these little things, which make them incompatible. Like having to swich between GE and Westinghouse (That I think was part of what made even same car classes incompatible in different degrees, over the years). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46Dover Posted July 30, 2013 Share #14 Posted July 30, 2013 The ugliest thing I ever saw was a mix R40 slant with R42s when they came to the and lines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ MC Posted July 30, 2013 Share #15 Posted July 30, 2013 The ugliest thing I ever saw was a mix R40 slant with R42s when they came to the and lines I thought it was a throwback to the late 1960s-1980s when that was a common occurrence. There was even R10s mixed with R42s on some occasions that ran on the . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRunRob Posted July 30, 2013 Share #16 Posted July 30, 2013 R68A and R32 running together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46Dover Posted July 30, 2013 Share #17 Posted July 30, 2013 R68A and R32 running together. Barf..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peacemak3r Posted July 30, 2013 Share #18 Posted July 30, 2013 Heh, well that's something you don't see every eternity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ MC Posted July 30, 2013 Share #19 Posted July 30, 2013 R68A and R32 running together. Hmm, this lashup is not as bad as I thought it would be. Pretty good pic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScreechyFlange Posted July 31, 2013 Share #20 Posted July 31, 2013 No, the 44/46 is not compatible with the 68/68A....but R46's and R142/3/160's CAN actually run together, believe it or not! .....and no, you aren't EVER going to see that happen except for an equipment move or a rescue train tow, so don't start getting ideas. lol you just had to ruin the fun... *wipes drool* anything in the SMEE family can be coupled together. Why would you even... Nevermind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamen Rider Posted July 31, 2013 Share #21 Posted July 31, 2013 What? Any car class in the SMEE family can be coupled to another car in that grouping. The systems are the same. You can couple an R10 to and R68 since they are both in the SMEE family (62/As and 68/As were back steps tech wise after the troubles the 44s and 46s caused). You basically have the follow groups in revenue service; SMEE R44 R46 R142 R142A R143 R160s R188 if CBTC conversion precludes coupling to non rebuilt cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vistausss Posted July 31, 2013 Share #22 Posted July 31, 2013 LMAO. 62/A+68/A. Technically it may be possible but I doubt you'd ever see that given the fact that the 62 is IRT and 68 is BMT/IND. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScreechyFlange Posted July 31, 2013 Share #23 Posted July 31, 2013 What? Any car class in the SMEE family can be coupled to another car in that grouping. The systems are the same. You can couple an R10 to and R68 since they are both in the SMEE family (62/As and 68/As were back steps tech wise after the troubles the 44s and 46s caused). You basically have the follow groups in revenue service; SMEE R44 R46 R142 R142A R143 R160s R188 if CBTC conversion precludes coupling to non rebuilt cars. 142s and up aren't SMEE's they're NTTs two completely different braking systems, and you need to beore specific with your answers your first post was misleading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realizm Posted July 31, 2013 Share #24 Posted July 31, 2013 R68A and R32 running together. Woah what ? I can see how it can be done because a T/O said : Coupler adapters. This is not a real connection where you have control of the entire train (the brakes have to be cut out on the cars being pulled), but to pull a train with a different couplers, you can hook up the "iron" part with a third piece that goes between them. they have the same couplers (but still, you have to make sure the covers are drawn, as they will not automatically push each other out of the way like they do when coupling the same car class), but as far as electric and air, they are different. So this too would only be an "iron" hookup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted July 31, 2013 Share #25 Posted July 31, 2013 Woah what ? I can see how it can be done because a T/O said : the 68s count as SMEE so they could run with each other...impractical, but possible Here's a list from what i can gather from this thread.. Arnines R1, R4, R6, R7, R9 SMEE R10, R11/34, R12, R14, R15, R16, R17, R21, R22, R26, R27, R28, R29, R30, R32, R33, R36, R38, R40, R42, R62/A, R68/A R44 R46 NTT 1 (can be hooked up to other NTT classes, albeit iron to iron only) R142/A NTT 2 (can be hooked up to other NTT classes, albeit iron to iron only) R143 NTT 3 (can be hooked up to other NTT classes, albeit iron to iron only) R160A/B ...if anyone sees any mistakes, please correct them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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