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Let's scrap the R143's too. The don't get a much higher MBDF than the R32's, especially considering their relatively young age.

 Why would you scrap the R143s ? They are at least 10 years old. They still has at least 25 more years left in them. 

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I love the R32s. They are my favorite subway cars. I hope they live as long as they possibly can. For me preferably past 2017. I would love them to get one more last swing at the Queens Blvd Line. Live on R32s!

 

Not to sound like a downer, but I don't think we will see R32s on the Queens Blvd Line for some time. A fantrip, could be possible.

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Let's scrap the R143's too. The don't get a much higher MBDF than the R32's, especially considering their relatively young age.

Quite honestly for what they are in their current state they're nothing short of problems. With that said, because of their young age it's best that repair funds and labor should be invested in the newer fleet, rather than old clunkers ready to give out anyway.

 

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@Realizm I took the (J) just about everyday to commute and they rode much better than on the (C), when the (C) was all R46 for one weekend, the (J) still ran R32s

 

If they ran R32s on the (J) all hours of the day (24/7) and have way less problems than the (C) what does that tell you, the MDBF is just pure calculation in the overall fleet not yard to yard, the R32s broke down much more on the (C) than the (J) and its obvious

That was more by force, as nearly all the R160 sets were out. And furthermore, as far as performance goes those 32's weren't without their bullshit on the (J) .

 

It obvious that they performed much better on the (J) why would they run 4 sets overnight with an R42 set even though they had enough R160s for the (J) for the overnight, ENY had a few bad apples compared to the (C), even when the 1st few sets got there ENY sent the straight to the barn to get inspected and fixed before service

 

While the R160s were breaking down just as bad as the R32s on the (C) due to overheating and other issues

Read above in regard to the R160's.

 

As QJ would say, try again.

 

Just an addendum for the record, here is proof by R32 3838 himself referencing the eventual demise and withdrawal of R32's from revenue service: http://www.nyctransitforums.com/forums/topic/43276-garbage-train-question/?p=727345

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Right

 

@Realizm I took the (J) just about everyday to commute and they rode much better than on the (C), when the (C) was all R46 for one weekend, the (J) still ran R32s

 

If they ran R32s on the (J) all hours of the day (24/7) and have way less problems than the (C) what does that tell you, the MDBF is just pure calculation in the overall fleet not yard to yard, the R32s broke down much more on the (C) than the (J) and its obvious

 

The mean distance between failures is calculated by the average number of miles a subway car travels in service before a mechanical failure that makes the train arrive at its final destination later than 5 minutes. I realize that fully. At one point thanks to 207th Street and Coney Island shops the R32's were in prime condition on the (C) outbeating the performance of the R142A's as I was saying. This year they are way below the MDBF average from the sources provided in the previous pages as of July 2013 and will continue to drop from 52,205 against the systemwide average of 160,140 miles as Fresh Pond was trying to highlight for us.

 

Keep in mind as in regards to yards that ENY is not a major overhaul shop. They do not perform GOH's or SMS work. Light maintainance only.

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Complete list of MDBF for all cars, as of July 2013..not at home to upload the picture

 

From worst to best...

 

R42: 32,302 miles

R32: 52,205 miles

R143: 85,699 miles

R46: 95,396 miles

R142A: 119,095 miles

R68A: 120,983 miles

R62A: 146,092 miles

R142: 166,521 miles

R68: 168,489 miles

R62: 185,303 miles

R160: 506,597 miles

 

...the average MDBF for the entire subway fleet is 160,140 miles.

Astonished, I never knew the r62's were performing so well.

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I was surprised to see an R42 on the (J) last Saturday at about 10:00PM at 121st. If the R42's get worst and needed to be retired right away will the (MTA) use the few R32's spares from the (C) or will they increase service on the Q56?

Now when the R44's were coming up with that rotting problem did all of the R44's have it? Or was it the case where a lot of them had it and they just decided to scrap all of them instead of looking for some of the good ones.

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I concur. I think the R32's kicks ass.

 

Commuting on these brightliners for as long as I can remember with the exception of the time I noticed the A/C units were breaking down. Fast, comfortable rides with the vertical bench seating arrangement, which I like, as compared to the transverse seating arrangement of the R68's and R46's although those cars have their pluses too. Reliable cars as of today depite the age of them post SMS and the MDBF data proves it.

 

However as the saying goes all good things has to come to an end and I'm looking forward to the next generation of NTT's to hit the rails. Which was why I took literally almost 200 pics of them at this point.

 

 

Off record, I like the R62's on the (3) too.

 

=D

Haha, they look great on the elevated portions but anything looks good on the (3)  =D

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I was surprised to see an R42 on the (J) last Saturday at about 10:00PM at 121st. If the R42's get worst and needed to be retired right away will the (MTA) use the few R32's spares from the (C) or will they increase service on the Q56?

Now when the R44's were coming up with that rotting problem did all of the R44's have it? Or was it the case where a lot of them had it and they just decided to scrap all of them instead of looking for some of the good ones.

Thats a question most on here probably didn't consider.Good thinking!Now to answer your question...I would think the spares would replace the 42's or the 42's would get a emergency SMS like the 32s

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Complete list of MDBF for all cars, as of July 2013..not at home to upload the picture

 

From worst to best...

 

R42: 32,302 miles

R32: 52,205 miles

R143: 85,699 miles

R46: 95,396 miles

R142A: 119,095 miles

R68A: 120,983 miles

R62A: 146,092 miles

R142: 166,521 miles

R68: 168,489 miles

R62: 185,303 miles

R160: 506,597 miles

 

...the average MDBF for the entire subway fleet is 160,140 miles.

 

Why the hell is a 30 year old train doing better than a 12 year old train?

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Quite honestly for what they are in their current state they're nothing short of problems. With that said, because of their young age it's best that repair funds and labor should be invested in the newer fleet, rather than old clunkers ready to give out anyway.

 

That was more by force, as nearly all the R160 sets were out. And furthermore, as far as performance goes those 32's weren't without their bullshit on the (J) .

 

Read above in regard to the R160's.

 

As QJ would say, try again.

 

Just an addendum for the record, here is proof by R32 3838 himself referencing the eventual demise and withdrawal of R32's from revenue service: http://www.nyctransitforums.com/forums/topic/43276-garbage-train-question/?p=727345

They use in service R32s for garbage trains in 207th st yard

 

38th's st R32s are strictly work service

 

When the R32s retire 40-50% of the fleet will be in work service ( B Division) that includes signal dolly, Rail Adhesion trains ( to replace the R30s) and refuse motors and garbage trains, the Redbirds are being phased out and I've been seeing more and more R32s (revenue service ones) doing garbage pick ups

There was a good chunk of R160s on the (J) when the R32s were on the (J) so they had enough to cover the overnights, They SMS a set or two per month, CI R160s are getting SMS as well

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Right

 

@Realizm I took the (J) just about everyday to commute and they rode much better than on the (C), when the (C) was all R46 for one weekend, the (J) still ran R32s

 

If they ran R32s on the (J) all hours of the day (24/7) and have way less problems than the (C) what does that tell you, the MDBF is just pure calculation in the overall fleet not yard to yard, the R32s broke down much more on the (C) than the (J) and its obvious

 

Dj Hammers and Fresh Pond respectively are right. And also remember what Lance said, the R32s will have problems whichever line they go on, as these cars are the oldest in the system and not relatively reliable in terms of mechanical breakdowns. Heck, they aren't even reliable enough to support a lowered spare rate if they had scrapped the R42s which would cause a car shortage at the same time while reducing spare factors for both the (C) and (J). So its not like the (A) and/or (C) are the "only" reason why the R32s "break down much more". We are talking about car performances here, not "rides". And of course the (J) had to keep running the R32s and R42s overnight to backfill for the OOS R160s due to the aforemention reasons. What else could it use aside from the said two fleets mention at that time?

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I was surprised to see an R42 on the (J) last Saturday at about 10:00PM at 121st. If the R42's get worst and needed to be retired right away will the (MTA) use the few R32's spares from the (C) or will they increase service on the Q56?

Now when the R44's were coming up with that rotting problem did all of the R44's have it? Or was it the case where a lot of them had it and they just decided to scrap all of them instead of looking for some of the good ones.

 

According to what I've heard, only the first 60 R44 cars built had defective frames. As for what happened with the remaining 216 cars.... well anyone that remembers what happened with the R30s, can see the similarities with that.

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The mean distance between failures is calculated by the average number of miles a subway car travels in service before a mechanical failure that makes the train arrive at its final destination later than 5 minutes. I realize that fully. At one point thanks to 207th Street and Coney Island shops the R32's were in prime condition on the (C) outbeating the performance of the R142A's as I was saying. This year they are way below the MDBF average from the sources provided in the previous pages as of July 2013 and will continue to drop from 52,205 against the systemwide average of 160,140 miles as Fresh Pond was trying to highlight for us.

 

Keep in mind as in regards to yards that ENY is not a major overhaul shop. They do not perform GOH's or SMS work. Light maintainance only.

You know, if that is indeed true, then why have they been left to deteriorate? It is as if done purposefully, as if they want to clear house soon.

 

This situation is very comparable to what's happening with surface transportation, with all the old RTS' being dumped at LaGuardia and the like.

 

They use in service R32s for garbage trains in 207th st yard

 

38th's st R32s are strictly work service

 

When the R32s retire 40-50% of the fleet will be in work service ( B Division) that includes signal dolly, Rail Adhesion trains ( to replace the R30s) and refuse motors and garbage trains, the Redbirds are being phased out and I've been seeing more and more R32s (revenue service ones) doing garbage pick ups

There was a good chunk of R160s on the (J) when the R32s were on the (J) so they had enough to cover the overnights, They SMS a set or two per month, CI R160s are getting SMS as well

I see. While I do appreciate the explanation it still doesn't detract from the facts.

 

Dj Hammers and Fresh Pond respectively are right. And also remember what Lance said, the R32s will have problems whichever line they go on, as these cars are the oldest in the system and not relatively reliable in terms of mechanical breakdowns. Heck, they aren't even reliable enough to support a lowered spare rate if they had scrapped the R42s which would cause a car shortage at the same time while reducing spare factors for both the (C) and (J). So its not like the (A) and/or (C) are the "only" reason why the R32s "break down much more". We are talking about car performances here, not "rides". And of course the (J) had to keep running the R32s and R42s overnight to backfill for the OOS R160s due to the aforemention reasons. What else could it use aside from the said two fleets mention at that time?

Right. Quite honestly as time goes on the R32's are becoming the equivalent to the last resort. Likewise for the R42's, but in their case not as bad.

 

According to what I've heard, only the first 60 R44 cars built had defective frames. As for what happened with the remaining 216 cars.... well anyone that remembers what happened with the R30s, can see the similarities with that.

Speaking of which, the corroding R44's may soon serve as a warning of sorts if the R32's get beat any more.

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On a completely unrelated note, I say this much, 70% of those posting here missed the original point of the damn thread.

 

That is all.

 

I'm sorry. I should have never posted those links from the R32 thread. That way no argument would have break loose in this thread. I do understand that this thread is about a few R32s being OOS for repairs. I just wanted to see if the issue regarding the R32s' breakdown rates was finally understood but it wasn't. I should have just left it alone and carried on with the topic.

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What's ECAM?

I don't know, porn cam perhaps.

 

Or camhaft, I don't know. Probably having to do with shafts, you like that, right?

 

I'm sorry. I should have never posted those links from the R32 thread. That way no argument would have break loose in this thread. I do understand that this thread is about a few R32s being OOS for repairs. I just wanted to see if the issue regarding the R32s' breakdown rates was finally understood but it wasn't. I should have just left it alone and carried on with the topic.

No, not your fault at all. You actually gave a valuable contribution in this thread, unlike others.

 

Take the +1 rep as a sign that you're alright.

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This is E-Cam: http://www2.bombardier.com/en/1_0/pdf/E_Cam_E.pdf

http://talk.nycsubway.org/perl/read?subtalk=17506

On the topic of R32s being OOS from the (C) for repair, I am not too surprised. One 8 car set I was on the other weekend had the trailing pair's dynamic brakes knocked out. Aside from the louder than normal stops, the brake shoe burn smell was apparent. Reminded me of what Amfleets smell like right after they've rolled into a station rather quickly.

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