ScreechyFlange Posted November 9, 2013 Share #76 Posted November 9, 2013 I don't know, porn cam perhaps. Or camhaft, I don't know. Probably having to do with shafts, you like that, right? No, not your fault at all. You actually gave a valuable contribution in this thread, unlike others. Take the +1 rep as a sign that you're alright. I'm gonna choke you! This is E-Cam: http://www2.bombardier.com/en/1_0/pdf/E_Cam_E.pdf http://talk.nycsubway.org/perl/read?subtalk=17506 On the topic of R32s being OOS from the for repair, I am not too surprised. One 8 car set I was on the other weekend had the trailing pair's dynamic brakes knocked out. Aside from the louder than normal stops, the brake shoe burn smell was apparent. Reminded me of what Amfleets smell like right after they've rolled into a station rather quickly. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo19 Posted November 9, 2013 Author Share #77 Posted November 9, 2013 I'm gonna choke you! That's what she said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realizm Posted November 9, 2013 Share #78 Posted November 9, 2013 And When I mean by saying Jamaica yard stunt, I mean they're basicly abusing the cars to get newer equipment, trust me from what I heard they didn't want to give those R160s up at all I had to muse on this and well you are touching upon a vital point that I cannot rule out despite all the credible sources we all cite in general transit discussions..... As with any field of employment, with any company, private firm or public agency there's plenty of office politics that will fly internally. I'm absolutely sure this is the way it can go within MTA NYC Transit, it is what it is, nobody's perfect. There are alot of things going on behind the scene that we will never know about as enthusiasts that may be contrary to even what the MTA officially states as policy. Not just talking about metrocards, money wrangling in Albany and within the executive committees or farehikes here. I've heard some incredible stories concerning our yards and shops which took me by surprise (from the MTA employees themselves) and made me rethink things, I will admit, as a straphanger. No more clues as this is a public forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewJC Posted November 10, 2013 Share #79 Posted November 10, 2013 @Turbo19: It's the inside that counts.They don't have to look like the R160's on the outside as long as they're still good on the inside. Which they are. Sure, a few of 'em may cause some trouble but it's not like new(er) stuff never breaks down. And if those R32 sets give problems, they have a gazillion spares at 207th. How does 207th Street have "gazillion" spares? There are only 222 out of the 600 R32s left in service, meaning the entire fleet is a total of 27 trainsets and 6 segments of cars. It runs 18 trains every day at 10-12 minute headways, while 10 trains are on standby as spares as well as those 6 segments of cars. A spare ratio of 54% is extremely high, much higher than the other car types have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YankeesPwnMets Posted November 10, 2013 Share #80 Posted November 10, 2013 Why the hell is a 30 year old train doing better than a 12 year old train? The heavy ridership on the lines have probably really worn down the 142/A. Granted, the and are crowded but I don't think its to the same extent as the Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo19 Posted November 10, 2013 Author Share #81 Posted November 10, 2013 I had to muse on this and well you are touching upon a vital point that I cannot rule out despite all the credible sources we all cite in general transit discussions..... As with any field of employment, with any company, private firm or public agency there's plenty of office politics that will fly internally. I'm absolutely sure this is the way it can go within MTA NYC Transit, it is what it is, nobody's perfect. There are alot of things going on behind the scene that we will never know about as enthusiasts that may be contrary to even what the MTA officially states as policy. Not just talking about metrocards, money wrangling in Albany and within the executive committees or farehikes here. I've heard some incredible stories concerning our yards and shops which took me by surprise (from the MTA employees themselves) and made me rethink things, I will admit, as a straphanger. No more clues as this is a public forum. I don't blame them either. Whatever it takes, I say. If one could get some extra overtime for repairing damages that were self inflicted then I wouldn't blame them. Not saying the R32's are in such a bad state because they were damaged by TA workers, there are many other factors, but as with all else, could be. I now digress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted November 10, 2013 Share #82 Posted November 10, 2013 The R32s are physically in fine shape. Some have broken down. I have no idea as to the veracity of any specific recent breakdowns,but yes, some have been removed from service for repair. Some R42s have been removed from service for repair. Does that mean that they need to be retired immediately? Some R160s have been removed from service for repair. Does that mean that they need to be retired immediately?There are no cars to replace the R32 fleet currently, and they are, both physically and mechanically in substantially better shape than the R42. If the R42s are deemed to be needed for service, there is no chance that you'll see R32s retired(outside of perhaps a small few if they are uneconomic to repair) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted November 10, 2013 Share #83 Posted November 10, 2013 Those 48 out of the 400 remaining R42s would have been physically and mechanically in better shape if the NYCTA choose to give them SMS. Somewhat suprised they choose not to. I've have seen the being nothing but R160s virtually every time outside of the skip-stop period while virtually every of those leftover R42s were OOS and stored at ENY and/or east of Jamaica Center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted November 10, 2013 Share #84 Posted November 10, 2013 They didn't SMS the R42s due to the fact that they're a very small fleet, plus NYCTA thought having R32s go to ENY to replace the R42s would work but its obvious that it didnt happen due to MDBF of the R32s This is exactly why the R42s weren't SMS'ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted November 10, 2013 Share #85 Posted November 10, 2013 Everybody on here treats SMS like it's a major overhaul, like the rebuilds of the late 80s which saw cars completely redone inside and out. It's just fixing up a few parts and maybe putting on some new paint, which could easily be done to any car in the fleet (including R42s). Only then, it's something of a uSMS... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo19 Posted November 10, 2013 Author Share #86 Posted November 10, 2013 You know, when I began this thread I started it to solicit some feedback from members as to the situation I outlined in the first post. I had a level of confidence that there were many who could provide great contributions, and there were, but not as many as I hoped. Rather I think the majority of the populous took this as a hate on and defend the R32's thread. I tried to turn the other way, but alas it was done. So with the thread going in said direction then let's go down that path for reals. I don't hate the R32's, but they need to die. Hopefully this day isn't so far down the line... RIP pieces of crap! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted November 10, 2013 Share #87 Posted November 10, 2013 They didn't SMS the R42s due to the fact that they're a very small fleet, plus NYCTA thought having R32s go to ENY to replace the R42s would work but its obvious that it didnt happen due to MDBF of the R32s This is exactly why the R42s weren't SMS'ed This is a good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted November 10, 2013 Share #88 Posted November 10, 2013 Everybody on here treats SMS like it's a major overhaul, like the rebuilds of the late 80s which saw cars completely redone inside and out. It's just fixing up a few parts and maybe putting on some new paint, which could easily be done to any car in the fleet (including R42s). Only then, it's something of a uSMS... If you obviously had ridden the R42s, then you would know that virtually every of their windows are vandalized and some of the cars also make excessive rumbling. I don't *treat* SMS as a completely rebuilt overhaul for your information. And at least some repaint would work on the roof and bottom side of the cars. I made my point and you made yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted November 10, 2013 Share #89 Posted November 10, 2013 Why the hell is a 30 year old train doing better than a 12 year old train? Most of the R62s are on a part time line where's most of the R142s run on 24/7 routes, that's why the 62s MDBF is higher, also with the swapping at Flatbush some of Unionport's 142s end up running 24/7 as well. The 143s MDBF is low because of CBTC, whenever a train on the has a CBTC related problem that counts as a breakdown for the train. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted November 10, 2013 Share #90 Posted November 10, 2013 Most of the R62s are on a part time line where's most of the R142s run on 24/7 routes, that's why the 62s MDBF is higher, also with the swapping at Flatbush some of Unionport's 142s end up running 24/7 as well. The 143s MDBF is low because of CBTC, whenever a train on the has a CBTC related problem that counts as a breakdown for the train. Most of the R62s are on a part time line where's most of the R142s run on 24/7 routes, that's why the 62s MDBF is higher, also with the swapping at Flatbush some of Unionport's 142s end up running 24/7 as well. The 143s MDBF is low because of CBTC, whenever a train on the has a CBTC related problem that counts as a breakdown for the train. Yup that CBTC is the main reason why the MDBF is low on the R143s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted November 10, 2013 Share #91 Posted November 10, 2013 If you obviously had ridden the R42s, then you would know that virtually every of their windows are vandalized and some of the cars also make excessive rumbling. I don't *treat* SMS as a completely rebuilt overhaul for your information. And at least some repaint would work on the roof and bottom side of the cars. I made my point and you made yours. I ride them all the time, thank you very much. Vandalized windows are something that should be fixed in-house, not by CI Yard or 207... As for the rust on top, if there's no effect on structural integrity, then it doesn't really matter. And rumbling? That's the whole subway system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted November 10, 2013 Share #92 Posted November 10, 2013 Most of the R62s are on a part time line where's most of the R142s run on 24/7 routes, that's why the 62s MDBF is higher, also with the swapping at Flatbush some of Unionport's 142s end up running 24/7 as well. The 143s MDBF is low because of CBTC, whenever a train on the has a CBTC related problem that counts as a breakdown for the train. ah, was wondering what was wrong with the r143s as the L is a short line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttcsubwayfan Posted November 10, 2013 Share #93 Posted November 10, 2013 Most of the R62s are on a part time line where's most of the R142s run on 24/7 routes, that's why the 62s MDBF is higher, also with the swapping at Flatbush some of Unionport's 142s end up running 24/7 as well. The 143s MDBF is low because of CBTC, whenever a train on the has a CBTC related problem that counts as a breakdown for the train. I see, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realizm Posted November 11, 2013 Share #94 Posted November 11, 2013 Most of the R62s are on a part time line where's most of the R142s run on 24/7 routes, that's why the 62s MDBF is higher, also with the swapping at Flatbush some of Unionport's 142s end up running 24/7 as well. The 143s MDBF is low because of CBTC, whenever a train on the has a CBTC related problem that counts as a breakdown for the train. This clears up alot. Makes perfect sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46Dover Posted November 11, 2013 Share #95 Posted November 11, 2013 Well the R32s lasting this long and longer than the R38s, R40, R42, and R44s is a testament to the Budd Company. Just look at Amtrak's Amfleet cars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ MC Posted November 11, 2013 Share #96 Posted November 11, 2013 Well the R32s lasting this long and longer than the R38s, R40, R42, and R44s is a testament to the Budd Company. Just look at Amtrak's Amfleet cars The Diner cars would be a better comparison. Some are over 64 years old Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R40Fan Posted November 11, 2013 Share #97 Posted November 11, 2013 I love R32s too but they're quite old! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46Dover Posted November 11, 2013 Share #98 Posted November 11, 2013 The Diner cars would be a better comparison. Some are over 64 years oldYou are correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo19 Posted November 11, 2013 Author Share #99 Posted November 11, 2013 I love R32s too but they're quite old! Yep, should have went around the same time as your R40's, . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mine248 Posted April 10, 2014 Share #100 Posted April 10, 2014 So, when are R32s going to the line? LOL listen let people who actually work the system talk. stop repeating hearsayThe R32 is not going on the B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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